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NEDHow do you keep 15 million people safe?
Ned, unless you can invent another way of restricting the spread there is no other way than lockdown until everyine that needs to be are immunised. Look at the countries that have contained the virus well.
This is interesting, something I touched on a few months back.https://twitter.com/drdavidsamadi/status/1352189984867016705?s=19
Look at the chaos now hospitals at breaking point and health care workers dying, imagine the chaos if you let it rip it would be shut down without the lockdown with so many sick and dying. Didn't you read any of bst's repoort on Bergamo?
The answer is fecking obvious but you won't like it, as long as it takes, long enough to suppress the virus for a manageable outcome which would likely daily numbers of new infections at less than 20. But with the worlds best test and trace system a total b*llocks it could take some time.
Sorry BST - misinterpreted it.. A lot easier than keeping 80 million safe. Now can you answer my question please.
sorry hound it was an answer to Ned. Ned now that you have the answer are you going to accept it? An answer to bst's question of how you keep people safe would be worth having.
Quote from: SydneyRover on January 21, 2021, 10:06:19 pmsorry hound it was an answer to Ned. Ned now that you have the answer are you going to accept it? An answer to bst's question of how you keep people safe would be worth having.I would accept a longer lockdown because I don’t think we really have much of an alternative.I don’t think anyone knows how long the virus will keep causing us big problems whether in government or opposition.I’m not bothered about responding to BSTs stuff.
Sydney- not anti vaccine ( if you want it have), not a covid conspirator, not a anti mask, but do I think we should be careful giving up so much freedom. Laws are being passed without a challenge.Hospitals are overwhelmed, but some departments are deserted.Mental health will soon be massive news. Suicides figures will increase.Cancer, poverty and the lost generation- my children without work, while you get your nice pension with no financial difficulties.
A lot easier than keeping 80 million safe.
Quote from: no eyed deer on January 21, 2021, 09:57:37 pmSorry BST - misinterpreted it.. A lot easier than keeping 80 million safe. Now can you answer my question please.NED You are mixing apples and oranges.We are NOT isolating the whole population.If we did what you want,let the virus rip through most of the population, you WOULD have to totally isolate the most vulnerable 15 million. There is no possible way of doing that.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 21, 2021, 10:10:18 pmQuote from: no eyed deer on January 21, 2021, 09:57:37 pmSorry BST - misinterpreted it.. A lot easier than keeping 80 million safe. Now can you answer my question please.NED You are mixing apples and oranges.We are NOT isolating the whole population.If we did what you want,let the virus rip through most of the population, you WOULD have to totally isolate the most vulnerable 15 million. There is no possible way of doing that. BST - other than going to work then yes ! I am under house arrest. As long as I go to work to keep your lights on and risking my life and my dad who I have to support...that's fine. If you are so passionate about it we should alll stop home for 2 weeks and let the lights go out, water stop running and food run out, that would stop the disease in its tracks.Why dont we do that- because it would cause more deaths.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 21, 2021, 09:10:21 pmNEDHow do you keep 15 million people safe?Are you saying if we dont lockdown 15 million will die?
Quote from: no eyed deer on January 21, 2021, 10:42:25 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 21, 2021, 10:10:18 pmQuote from: no eyed deer on January 21, 2021, 09:57:37 pmSorry BST - misinterpreted it.. A lot easier than keeping 80 million safe. Now can you answer my question please.NED You are mixing apples and oranges.We are NOT isolating the whole population.If we did what you want,let the virus rip through most of the population, you WOULD have to totally isolate the most vulnerable 15 million. There is no possible way of doing that. BST - other than going to work then yes ! I am under house arrest. As long as I go to work to keep your lights on and risking my life and my dad who I have to support...that's fine. If you are so passionate about it we should alll stop home for 2 weeks and let the lights go out, water stop running and food run out, that would stop the disease in its tracks.Why dont we do that- because it would cause more deaths.I couldn't agree more. Which is why there is no sensible alternative to what we are doing.Look at that graph I posted earlier. Cases quadrupled in December. Hospitalisations and deaths follow them a couple of weeks later. Without the lockdown, that wouldn't have stopped, despite what some misinformation "experts" have been claiming. So you have three possible outcomes.1) Total country lockdown with everything switched off and everyone confined to home for 3 weeks. Which would kill the virus, but also have millions starve.2) Let the virus rip. Which would kill 300,000 in two months due to the virus alone, because you cannot shield the vulnerable in those circumstances. And it would kill far more because the NHS would cease to exist for that time. 3) Hold your nerve with what we are doing now.There literally is no alternative. This lockdown will last until April/May,then it will start to ease. And it won't ever get this bad again. As long as we hold our nerve.We muddle on. Another 40-60,000 die of the virus. Other people suffer of course, but we pick up the pieces when things start to ease.It's an awful situation, but there is no better alternative.
NED.If millions are going without food, that is a national disgrace and is in the power of the Govt to fix. Unfortunately, to date, they have refused to commit to extending the increase in Universal Credit. And of course, they had to be shamed by Marcus Rashford into giving the poorest kids free school meals in holidays. If some see mentioning that as political point scoring, I couldn't give two f**ks. My take is that not criticising those decisions is effectively the same as agreeing with them.