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Cov, sunderland and now today. Playing running and unleashing a grass cutter. All should have been challenged but each time we stood off Concerninganner for Seny to concede to.We were awful today. I have been about times and still to witness a good display
If you do not have a settle team this will always happen (change for the sake of change does not work)
Someone even suggested this morning that gomes has been our best player over the last 6 weeks.Baffling
Quote from: dickos1 on February 08, 2020, 08:48:38 pmSomeone even suggested this morning that gomes has been our best player over the last 6 weeks.BafflingWhy is that baffling? If he was, he was..Doesn’t necessarily mean he’s automatically going g to be great next game.Too many below par today..
Quote from: IDM on February 08, 2020, 08:52:04 pmQuote from: dickos1 on February 08, 2020, 08:48:38 pmSomeone even suggested this morning that gomes has been our best player over the last 6 weeks.BafflingWhy is that baffling? If he was, he was..Doesn’t necessarily mean he’s automatically going g to be great next game.Too many below par today.. It’s opinions, that opinion is baffling to me. Cause i don’t think he’s been anywhere near our best player over the last 6 weeks. James, DiengWrightAnderson Sadlier All better for me
Reminded me of Coventry goalRunning at our defence - kept going - thinks let me let fly - and Keeper maybe should have saved themDieng (no criticism) knows how to come out and does so effectively and I am sure he will start taking up a more forward position when this happens again to "narrow the angle"
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 09, 2020, 04:47:14 pmThere's plenty on here delighting in sticking the boot into Gomes and blaming him for the goal yesterday.I thought he played poorly yesterday, but some of the criticism is ridiculous, especially for the goal.I've just watched the iFollow footage and looked at the run up to that goal. In the previous 80 seconds, Gomes:1) Won the ball in our half, surged forward and played an excellent ball down the inside right channel to Sadlier, resulting in a throw in for us near the corner flag.2) Ran up to the right corner to receive the throw in from Sadlier, and lay it back to him. Sadlier miscontrolled the return and lost possession.3) Sprinted back to the edge of our box to drop into a defensive midfield holding position as Rochdale broke, getting ahead of the ball as he did so.4) Sprinted along the outside right position to close down a defender on the edge of the Rochdale box as they were pegged back.After that last one, he WAS blowing out if his arse and I'm not surprised. He'd just made 3 full on, pitch-long sprints in the previous 65 seconds, the last one to close down a player in a position you'd have expected Sadlier to be doing the work. When Rochdale then broke, no-one, not Sadlier, not Whiteman, not Ramsay, had slotted into the position that Gomes had just run from to close down the Rochdale left back. So there was a wide open gap for Mathison to run into and Homes was never going to catch him.Ease to criticise when you only look at the final 5 seconds before the ball hits the back of the net.Gomes has improved 200% on the player we saw at the beginning of the season, but as for being our best player this last 6 game as someone has suggested, sorry but don't agree. Anderson is streets ahead of anyone and has been Mr consistent all season in that regard. I don't normally comment negatively on a players performance on here, but Gomes didn't seem to know what was expected of him yesterday and it showed in his positioning, often sitting far too deep and way off his player.You say Gomes was knackered after making 3 full on sprints just before their goal yesterday like that was exceptional. That's what he should be doing, the position he was playing demanded he ran from box to box for the whole game. You and others on here criticise Sadlier when he doesn't track back yet he makes those sprints, often at a very high intensity all game long long down the flank and then has to sprint to get back yo get in to defend when play breaks down, he's often doing that and not seeing the ball atall because we don't find him, yet you don't ever forgive him if he has to take a breather lol.Gomes doesn't make things easy for himself at times, he too often holds onto the ball for far too long and for some reason won't release and give that simple 2-3 yard pass, preferring instead to turn and make the 10 - 20 yard pass instead and that when he either loses it or passes it straight out of play, he needs to raise his head up, if you watch a player like Sadlier or Whiteman or Copps, like all good players are taught, they have a picture in their mind of where everyone is, they have decided on the pass they are going to make before the receive the ball, Gomes doesn't, he receives it, takes a touch or two and then thinks about finding a player.I thought Gomes was very good at Sunderland, probably our best player in that game along with Anderson and Wright, Gomes was good again at Tranmere but in between that was very average at Fleetwood Town, ironically I though our best player at Fleetwood was Ennis, he too also had a good game against Tranmere but got dropped for Taylor to come back in yesterday which was a surprise to me tbh.If you want to dig players out for their performances yesterday, then I feel Cole has to be one of the first as I though he looked slow and lazy, just hope that was just an off day for him and that there is more to come from him. Our skipper Whiteman had an off day yesterday as well, on his day his passing can be superb, opfetn cutting the opposition in half with his incisive passes but I am sure he himself will be the first to admit that he was way off his game yesterday.
There's plenty on here delighting in sticking the boot into Gomes and blaming him for the goal yesterday.I thought he played poorly yesterday, but some of the criticism is ridiculous, especially for the goal.I've just watched the iFollow footage and looked at the run up to that goal. In the previous 80 seconds, Gomes:1) Won the ball in our half, surged forward and played an excellent ball down the inside right channel to Sadlier, resulting in a throw in for us near the corner flag.2) Ran up to the right corner to receive the throw in from Sadlier, and lay it back to him. Sadlier miscontrolled the return and lost possession.3) Sprinted back to the edge of our box to drop into a defensive midfield holding position as Rochdale broke, getting ahead of the ball as he did so.4) Sprinted along the outside right position to close down a defender on the edge of the Rochdale box as they were pegged back.After that last one, he WAS blowing out if his arse and I'm not surprised. He'd just made 3 full on, pitch-long sprints in the previous 65 seconds, the last one to close down a player in a position you'd have expected Sadlier to be doing the work. When Rochdale then broke, no-one, not Sadlier, not Whiteman, not Ramsay, had slotted into the position that Gomes had just run from to close down the Rochdale left back. So there was a wide open gap for Mathison to run into and Homes was never going to catch him.Ease to criticise when you only look at the final 5 seconds before the ball hits the back of the net.
I misread what you posted before. I thought you meant when Rathbone received the ball. So yes, Gomes was level with Rathbone in that frame. (Actually, if we're being pedantic, he's not level, Gomes is a good half a yard behind - look at the feet positions- and 3-4 yards laterally away from Rathbone, but I'll give you that one.) But note. That WASN'T when Rochdale won the ball back. They'd had it for the previous 40 seconds, after Sadlier lost possession in the right corner, and during that time, Gomes had sprinted the length of the pitch to get back into defence, then sprinted forward to close down the full back. And you're ignore that central point I've been making. The lad had just run further and harder than anyone on the pitch in the previous 60 seconds (having already made a break out if defence and sprinted into the right corner before Sadlier lost the ball).Rathbone was NOT Gomes's responsibility. He had every right to expect a colleague to do some covering. Like Sadlier perhaps, given that Gomes had just done Sadlier's job of chasing down the full-back. But they didn't. And you choose to criticise Gomes.As I said, you are focussing on that five seconds because it suits the point that you are wanting to make.
By the way. I've just finished re-watching the game on iFollow.Rochdale changed their formation down their left at half time. Norrignton-Davies who is ostensibly a left back, actually played left-wing, and Morley who is ostensibly a wide midfielder, was playing in the left-back slot. So my original description of what had happened in the immediate period before their goal was correct. Gomes pished back the left-back, 50 yards ahead of Sadlier. Halliday was in position to cover the left-winger, Norrington Daies and no-one moved into the hole behind Gomes into which Henderson ran to pick up the forward ball. Sadlier, having not made the run forward to press down the full-back probably should have been taking up that slot rather than staying tight to the touchline 15 yards inside our half. There was no need for him to be there, as Halliday could have perfectly well covered Norrington-Davies in the left-wing position. Instead, Halliday was drawn in to rushing forward to intercept Henderson, and didn't make it. I'm not having a major dig at any of those players. Just setting a bit of context for those who have decided it was all Gomes's fault.
New Donny.I hate being a pedant, but there are several things wrong with that.The last time you see Sadlier and Halliday before the goal is at 79:43, fully 25 seconds before Rochdale break forwards. Sadlier wasn't marking Norrington-Davies at that point. He was marking Morley. Morley played the ball back to Norrington-Davies on the halfway line, who played it further back/ Meanwhile, Morley had run back deep into his own half and was pressed by Gomes who sprinted with him while Sadlier held position. I agree that Halliday had been pulled inside to mark Henderson at 79:43. That wasn't ideal. it left a centre-half unoccupied and no-one free to fill the gap that Gomes had left by applying the press. The defensive line had 25 seconds to re-arrange this, and didn't do so. The only major movement was Ramsay chasing Rathbone, then leaving him free when he (Ramsay) instead followed the ball as it was played to O'Connell (not McShane as I said earlier). That lack of re-organisation meant that there was a big hole for Henderson to run into, and lay the ball off to Rathbone. It's easy to criticise from the comfort of looking at a video screen, but that's the truth of the matter. Yes, I agree, Gomes was slow to get back, but I've set out the context of the runs that he'd just made in the previous 60mseconds, and there are clearly other errors in the defensive organisation in the whole move which contributed to the goal. Simply focussing on Gomes's shortcoming as has been done a lot on here, is rather one-eyed.ironically, the commentators had only just noted how excellent Rovers' defensive discipline was, just as it fell apart.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on February 08, 2020, 05:49:43 pmQuote from: sha66y on February 08, 2020, 05:41:59 pmMaybe Whiteman needs someone pushing him for a starting place ! And Anderson should be the captain in my opinion.....a real leader Isn't the captain only someone who has a chat with the ref? Surely you want leaders all over the pitch?We don’t though......but I trust Anderson to run through a wall not cower behind it....lol
Quote from: sha66y on February 08, 2020, 05:41:59 pmMaybe Whiteman needs someone pushing him for a starting place ! And Anderson should be the captain in my opinion.....a real leader Isn't the captain only someone who has a chat with the ref? Surely you want leaders all over the pitch?
Maybe Whiteman needs someone pushing him for a starting place ! And Anderson should be the captain in my opinion.....a real leader