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Here's a thought.In 2007/08 when the roof fell in on the global banking system, we were hours away from the entire financial structure of the capitalist world ceasing to function. That is no exaggeration. We were literally hours away from a domino effect og banks going bust and the entire financial structure that underpins business failing.The then Labour Govt led the world in taking the emergency action that was necessary to save the entire global economic system from crashing. It cost unimaginable sums of money to do that. But it had to be done. Not to protect the banks, but to protect all of us.It led to Govt debt skyrocketting. Not because of profligate spending, but because of the Govt saving the economy, then keeping things going through the inevitable and very nasty recession that followed.All that was textbook economics. But Cameron and Osborne, helped by the media, portrayed Gordon Brown as a reckless, out of control spender who was dangerous to Britain. Labour were "Deficit Deniers" in not slashing Govt spending. The deficit and the debt were all that mattered. We had "maxed our the nation's credit card".Bullshit. All of it. Done for political reasons because it was the Tories' path to winning in 2010.Now. See this...https://twitter.com/DuncanWeldon/status/1245686024736518145Our Govt debt is about to go through the roof because of Govt decisions to support the economy through the ravages of CV-19. The effect on the national debt will be at least as horrific as the Global Financial Crash. And the Tory Govt is absolutely correct to pour this money in because, just as in 2008, not doing so would be absolutely catastrophic for all of us.Now, there would be a very, very easy political attack line by Labour. They could do what Osborne and Cameron did in 2009-2010. They could ignore the textbook economics and look to make political capital out of this. They could accuse the Govt of being reckless with the nation's finances.I will guarantee you that they will not.And those of you who idly say that all politicians are the same, just stop and ponder that. How you were treated like gullible idiots by Cameron a decade ago. And how Starmer will not do the same this time round. and then think whether there actually ARE some people with integrity in politics, who put the interests of the nation ahead of party benefit.
Quote from: BigH on April 03, 2020, 10:10:41 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2020, 10:07:18 pmQuote from: BigH on April 03, 2020, 09:52:22 pmActually, BB, serious question.Do you think the government are in control of events?Yes or no.How can I answer that in one word? I bet you can though!Ah.So you're answering a question with a question. Crafty!You go first. As many words as you like.Gee thanks. I think the government is doing its best. There have been mistakes along the way, in hindsight, but unfortunately, hindsight is a gift that only certain spectators possess.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2020, 10:07:18 pmQuote from: BigH on April 03, 2020, 09:52:22 pmActually, BB, serious question.Do you think the government are in control of events?Yes or no.How can I answer that in one word? I bet you can though!Ah.So you're answering a question with a question. Crafty!You go first. As many words as you like.
Quote from: BigH on April 03, 2020, 09:52:22 pmActually, BB, serious question.Do you think the government are in control of events?Yes or no.How can I answer that in one word? I bet you can though!
Actually, BB, serious question.Do you think the government are in control of events?Yes or no.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2020, 04:26:04 pmHere's a thought.In 2007/08 when the roof fell in on the global banking system, we were hours away from the entire financial structure of the capitalist world ceasing to function. That is no exaggeration. We were literally hours away from a domino effect og banks going bust and the entire financial structure that underpins business failing.The then Labour Govt led the world in taking the emergency action that was necessary to save the entire global economic system from crashing. It cost unimaginable sums of money to do that. But it had to be done. Not to protect the banks, but to protect all of us.It led to Govt debt skyrocketting. Not because of profligate spending, but because of the Govt saving the economy, then keeping things going through the inevitable and very nasty recession that followed.All that was textbook economics. But Cameron and Osborne, helped by the media, portrayed Gordon Brown as a reckless, out of control spender who was dangerous to Britain. Labour were "Deficit Deniers" in not slashing Govt spending. The deficit and the debt were all that mattered. We had "maxed our the nation's credit card".Bullshit. All of it. Done for political reasons because it was the Tories' path to winning in 2010.Now. See this...https://twitter.com/DuncanWeldon/status/1245686024736518145Our Govt debt is about to go through the roof because of Govt decisions to support the economy through the ravages of CV-19. The effect on the national debt will be at least as horrific as the Global Financial Crash. And the Tory Govt is absolutely correct to pour this money in because, just as in 2008, not doing so would be absolutely catastrophic for all of us.Now, there would be a very, very easy political attack line by Labour. They could do what Osborne and Cameron did in 2009-2010. They could ignore the textbook economics and look to make political capital out of this. They could accuse the Govt of being reckless with the nation's finances.I will guarantee you that they will not.And those of you who idly say that all politicians are the same, just stop and ponder that. How you were treated like gullible idiots by Cameron a decade ago. And how Starmer will not do the same this time round. and then think whether there actually ARE some people with integrity in politics, who put the interests of the nation ahead of party benefit.Anyone want to discuss the topic and the facts and explain why this wasn't pure political jealousy?
The way I see it and I genuinely couldn't give a monkeys about Brexit anymore, that's been and gone, whether I agreed with it or not.....however the only thing we currently need to worry about is Covid-19 and the reason it looks like the situation is escalating so badly in the UK is 2 fold...... 1) The government who ever that is whether it be Boris, Cummings, Hancock, the scientists that have been advising have not acted quickly enough, testing hasn't been done quickly enough, machines have not been built quickly enough and lock down (or whatever we are calling it) has not been done quickly enough.... All of these things should have been put into action when it was obvious how big an issue this disease was going to be 2+ months ago...2) the NHS and local authorities have been horrifically underfunded for 10 years and the country is simply not in a position where it could handle this kind of pandemic. The hospitals don't have the money, capacity, equipment to deal with it..... Teams in the community are not there to be able to undertake the testing needed....Whether this would have happened under a Labour government who knows and quite frankly who cares.... We're in this sh1t now and now is not the time for this pathetic, petty argument on this football forum... Now is a time when we should all be joining forces and trying to deal with this as a country, as a planet and should be a wake up call to all that we are lied to constantly by ALL politicians, and at some point we need to start standing up to this crap!
Hi Sydney, hope you are keeping well over there. A quick thought on this before I hit the sack. BST is right to draw comparison between the scenarios, I think hes throwing a bit of a red herring though, both parties in both circumstances have acted consistent with their beliefs in opposition at the time. The Conservatives about spending and labour not complaining now. I would suspect though labour haven't tried scoring capital out of it for 2 reasons, one the lack of leadership at this time and 2 it would make them very hypocritical given then did the same in 08 and pretty much campaigned the ge massive spending
I was one of these people who didn't treat this disease with the seriousness we all should and I feel bad for not having listened to people earlier.... However I am not a politician with infinite resources to details that we will never be privy too.... I'm 100% convinced the government must have known the seriousness of this disease months ago... But perhaps hoped it wouldn't transpire as badly here for whatever reason or just thought it wasnt financially important enough to deal with sooner... Who knows, however again we are in this situation now and nothing can change that! The government and the world is in dire situation now financially and who knows what the final financial impact this disease will cause..... But bickering about it and arguing who's political party would have handled it better simply isn't going to help matters!
Quote from: rtid88 on April 03, 2020, 10:13:08 pmThe way I see it and I genuinely couldn't give a monkeys about Brexit anymore, that's been and gone, whether I agreed with it or not.....however the only thing we currently need to worry about is Covid-19 and the reason it looks like the situation is escalating so badly in the UK is 2 fold...... 1) The government who ever that is whether it be Boris, Cummings, Hancock, the scientists that have been advising have not acted quickly enough, testing hasn't been done quickly enough, machines have not been built quickly enough and lock down (or whatever we are calling it) has not been done quickly enough.... All of these things should have been put into action when it was obvious how big an issue this disease was going to be 2+ months ago...2) the NHS and local authorities have been horrifically underfunded for 10 years and the country is simply not in a position where it could handle this kind of pandemic. The hospitals don't have the money, capacity, equipment to deal with it..... Teams in the community are not there to be able to undertake the testing needed....Whether this would have happened under a Labour government who knows and quite frankly who cares.... We're in this sh1t now and now is not the time for this pathetic, petty argument on this football forum... Now is a time when we should all be joining forces and trying to deal with this as a country, as a planet and should be a wake up call to all that we are lied to constantly by ALL politicians, and at some point we need to start standing up to this crap!Well said mate, I totally agree with everything you've said there. However, I know one poster who'll not agree with your use of the phrase "ALL politicians".
Some people on this forum are going to get a horrible shock in June when Johnson has to decide whether or not to ask the EU for a Brexit extension.Integrity in politics, you ain't seen nuthin yet...
Johnson did say that covid 19 would not interfere with the brexit dedline.
Brexit isn’t important right now so who cares.
Anyone in Govt who is prioritising Brexit negotiations at a moment like this wants taking to a big dog.