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The Guardian not being behind a paywall is probably as much a reason it gets quoted regularly on here as anything else.
The starting point is affordable housing , for want of a better word , slum clearance , the younger people on very average and non too secure jobs are crying out for affordable new housing , there are vast areas in this country that need demolishing , Barnsley has them , Doncaster , Rotherham and across the UK .This is the kind of policy that requires strength of conviction but cuts through ,
We are currently in a situation where we have as PM the spoilt child who has always been able to have whatever he wanted. He has got the job he always wanted but now he cannot do it. When he cannot get his own way he throws tantrums (each Wednesday at PMQ's). I am convinced he no longer wants to be PM and is just waiting for the push from the 1922 gang. I just wonder how long it will be before they put him out of his misery.
Quote from: tyke1962 on June 19, 2020, 10:23:44 amThe starting point is affordable housing , for want of a better word , slum clearance , the younger people on very average and non too secure jobs are crying out for affordable new housing , there are vast areas in this country that need demolishing , Barnsley has them , Doncaster , Rotherham and across the UK .This is the kind of policy that requires strength of conviction but cuts through , It's really not so long since the terraced houses of Nottinghill were considered slums. Now they are some of the most expensive properties in the country. Many of the terraced houses in the North are actually pretty well built, compared to more contemporary construction. We live in a 70s property and my Mum always says "it's that cardboard house". I know what she means.Anyway, it's not just a matter of clearing old buildings but looking how they are used.
Tyke.Think back to the mid 2000s. Labour had been in power for a decade. The PM had lost popularity and gone. The new PM have the party a surge in popularity [1] and the party raced ahead in the polls.Then a shock that no-one foresaw knocked the legs out from under the Govt. The Opposition didn't have any policy base as such, but people were tired of Labour and now they looked incompetent too, even though the scale of the shock hurt every country in the world and would have taxed any Govt.The Opposition took over in the polls and Labour never had a chance of winning the next election. The idea in that report that you cannot win power without "reconnecting with the voters" totally ignored the example of 2006-10. Cameron didn't "reconnect". He just took advantage of a Govt struggling with a crisis.[1] Hard to remember now but Gordon Brown was hugely popular in 2007. When he replaced Blair, Labour's polling share went up by a quarter almost overnight.
I don't known Goldthorpe very well Tyke but I suspect the problem is in the poverty that breeds social depravation, not the buildings.
Quote from: River Don on June 19, 2020, 11:33:24 amI don't known Goldthorpe very well Tyke but I suspect the problem is in the poverty that breeds social depravation, not the buildings.I take that point Don , but the human mind works on demolishing things physically and replacing it with something better .You put pride back in then the rest should follow .I was brought up on a tough council estate myself , Barnsley Council did every home up on that estate and its reputation improved massively .I've seen this work on a small scale .
Quote from: tyke1962 on June 19, 2020, 11:50:24 amQuote from: River Don on June 19, 2020, 11:33:24 amI don't known Goldthorpe very well Tyke but I suspect the problem is in the poverty that breeds social depravation, not the buildings.I take that point Don , but the human mind works on demolishing things physically and replacing it with something better .You put pride back in then the rest should follow .I was brought up on a tough council estate myself , Barnsley Council did every home up on that estate and its reputation improved massively .I've seen this work on a small scale .You say that, I used to work with schools in Barnsley in a previous job. The school in Goldthorpe was superb, well built, great facilities etc. Yet still it constantly got damaged or broken in to despite it being a far.cry from the kind of school I went to.
Parties dont win elections in this country, they lose them
When ever I played at Goldthorpe I couldn't get out quick enough after the game
Quote from: tyke1962 on June 19, 2020, 11:50:24 amQuote from: River Don on June 19, 2020, 11:33:24 amI don't known Goldthorpe very well Tyke but I suspect the problem is in the poverty that breeds social depravation, not the buildings.I take that point Don , but the human mind works on demolishing things physically and replacing it with something better .You put pride back in then the rest should follow .I was brought up on a tough council estate myself , Barnsley Council did every home up on that estate and its reputation improved massively .I've seen this work on a small scale .Trouble is I don't trust many developers to actually put up something better.The real problem Goldthorpe still has is the pit shut down and nothing has provided enough decent employment since.
Quote from: River Don on June 19, 2020, 03:07:54 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on June 19, 2020, 11:50:24 amQuote from: River Don on June 19, 2020, 11:33:24 amI don't known Goldthorpe very well Tyke but I suspect the problem is in the poverty that breeds social depravation, not the buildings.I take that point Don , but the human mind works on demolishing things physically and replacing it with something better .You put pride back in then the rest should follow .I was brought up on a tough council estate myself , Barnsley Council did every home up on that estate and its reputation improved massively .I've seen this work on a small scale .Trouble is I don't trust many developers to actually put up something better.The real problem Goldthorpe still has is the pit shut down and nothing has provided enough decent employment since.There's another aspect to this too , the normal house market prices will get a reset and that's well overdue in my opinion .
Quote from: ravenrover on June 19, 2020, 02:31:01 pmWhen ever I played at Goldthorpe I couldn't get out quick enough after the gameIt wasn't always so raven , rough and ready perhaps but it had a thriving local economy right up to the 90's .On the main drag it had shop after shop , DC Cook had a huge motorbike showroom and a thriving local market ...... all gone now .Wombwell is another similar place , these small towns within a town once thrived and I believe they can thrive again if the will and strength of conviction exists .There's nothing in the middle these days , towns are either economically off the scale or they are deprived .There's only the opposition who can level things up because never mind Johnson and his new voters , anyone who believes he has the nous or will to pull this off wants to give their head a shake .The Tory donors don't pump millions in to the party to have Goldthorpe economically viable again that I do know . How would things improve for the town if labour were in power?
Quote from: tyke1962 on June 19, 2020, 03:03:39 pmQuote from: ravenrover on June 19, 2020, 02:31:01 pmWhen ever I played at Goldthorpe I couldn't get out quick enough after the gameIt wasn't always so raven , rough and ready perhaps but it had a thriving local economy right up to the 90's .On the main drag it had shop after shop , DC Cook had a huge motorbike showroom and a thriving local market ...... all gone now .Wombwell is another similar place , these small towns within a town once thrived and I believe they can thrive again if the will and strength of conviction exists .There's nothing in the middle these days , towns are either economically off the scale or they are deprived .There's only the opposition who can level things up because never mind Johnson and his new voters , anyone who believes he has the nous or will to pull this off wants to give their head a shake .The Tory donors don't pump millions in to the party to have Goldthorpe economically viable again that I do know . How would things improve for the town if labour were in power?