Lord Lebedev of Siberia

[BillyStubbsTears]

I know the last few years seem like living inside a badly written political comedy, but yesterday, this actually did happen.

The billionaire son of a KGB Colonel, hosted of bunga-bunga parties for Johnson, and donator to the Tory party took his place in the House of Lords.

As Lord Lebedev of Hampton and Siberia in the Russian Federation.

Just in case you've forgotten, that's the Russian Federation that attacked a British city with nerve agent. That has been hacking the US nuclear stockpile. And that is believed by the Intelligence services to have deliberately intervened in our elections. Only we'll never know because Johnson refuses to set up an investigation.

It's been a long descent from the party of the Iron Lady, to the party of spivs.

[BradwellRover]

I’ll bite then...

Is that a Margaret Thatcher, the beacon of morality who:
* blocked the commonwealth move to sanction apartheid South Africa
* was good friends with Pinochet who terrorised his own people in Chile
* used the army against her own people (Miners)
* was involved in erroneously blaming LFC fans for the Hillsborough disaster
* personally intervened in the dodgiest arms deal ever with Saudi Arabia

It’s nothing new.

 

[drfchound]

It is nothing new........ but it is another pop at our government by a Labour Party member........ so nothing new there either...... or surprising.

[Filo]

Of course it’s something new, how many other Russians with connections to the KGB are in the House of Lords?

[drfchound]

But it isn’t new for BST to find something else to have a whine about.

[Filo]

But it isn’t new for BST to find something else to have a whine about.

So you don’t think it odd or serious that a person with connections to the KGB is a Member of our Law Lords? The Country’s security could potentially be seriously compromised

[bpoolrover]

Did you not vote for corbyn bst who failed to condemn the said nerve agent attack?

[bpoolrover]

But it isn’t new for BST to find something else to have a whine about.

So you don’t think it odd or serious that a person with connections to the KGB is a Member of our Law Lords? The Country’s security could potentially be seriously compromised

did corbyn not have dodgy connections at the very least and he was labour leader!

[BillyStubbsTears]

I’ll bite then...

Is that a Margaret Thatcher, the beacon of morality who:
* blocked the commonwealth move to sanction apartheid South Africa
* was good friends with Pinochet who terrorised his own people in Chile
* used the army against her own people (Miners)
* was involved in erroneously blaming LFC fans for the Hillsborough disaster
* personally intervened in the dodgiest arms deal ever with Saudi Arabia

It’s nothing new.

 

BR.

I don't need any lectures on Thatcher, honestly! My point was that she represented a Tory party that, saw itself as resolutely opposed to enemy states. I don't think there's much argument about that.

We now have a PM that refuses to even investigate enemy state action in the UK, and awards a peerage to Lord Siberia.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Did you not vote for corbyn bst who failed to condemn the said nerve agent attack?

I did. It was the worst choice of two potential PMs in my life and I chose the one who I thought was less likely to cause damage to our foreign policy, though it was a close run thing.

You may also recall that I strongly and repeatedly criticised Corbyn's position on Russia. I'm hearing very little from Tory supporters in here criticising Johnson's approach to Russia.

[Filo]

But it isn’t new for BST to find something else to have a whine about.

So you don’t think it odd or serious that a person with connections to the KGB is a Member of our Law Lords? The Country’s security could potentially be seriously compromised

did corbyn not have dodgy connections at the very least and he was labour leader!

Lord Whataboutery strikes again

[scawsby steve]

Some titles have a certain aristocratic ring about them, and reflect the personalities of the holders.

Like Baron Bullet of Bentley, and Squire Stephen of Scawsby.

[Bentley Bullet]

What do you mean like Lord Filo Fax?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I quite like Viscount William of Cunny.

[Bentley Bullet]

Cunny? Bloody predictive text!

[drfchound]

But it isn’t new for BST to find something else to have a whine about.

So you don’t think it odd or serious that a person with connections to the KGB is a Member of our Law Lords? The Country’s security could potentially be seriously compromised

A bit more whataboutery for you to consider mate.
What if Lord Siberia is giving our people information about Russia.
We dont know that he isn’t.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

You reckon Johnson would want to hear it?

This being the Johnson who, when the Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committe (chaired by a senior Tory MP) expressed incredulity that he hadn't ordered an inquiry into Russian actions to undermine our democratic processes, shrugged his shoulders in Parliament and said he wasn't going to have an inquiry.

I am genuinely speechless at anyone who saw that process and isn't even a tiny bit concerned about Johnson's bona fides.

[drfchound]

Hound.

You reckon Johnson would want to hear it?

This being the Johnson who, when the Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committe (chaired by a senior Tory MP) expressed incredulity that he hadn't ordered an inquiry into Russian actions to undermine our democratic processes, shrugged his shoulders in Parliament and said he wasn't going to have an inquiry.

I am genuinely speechless at anyone who saw that process and isn't even a tiny bit concerned about Johnson's bona fides.

Who knows whether he is double bluffing?
I didn’t see it as I don’t watch PMQs or other programmes that track Parliament.

[Donnywolf]

I’ll bite then...

Is that a Margaret Thatcher, the beacon of morality who:
* blocked the commonwealth move to sanction apartheid South Africa
* was good friends with Pinochet who terrorised his own people in Chile
* used the army against her own people (Miners)
* was involved in erroneously blaming LFC fans for the Hillsborough disaster
* personally intervened in the dodgiest arms deal ever with Saudi Arabia

It’s nothing new.

 

Good "rap" sheet missing only one thing ....

Sinking the Belgrano when it was sailing away from any conflict in the Falklands - thus prolonging the war - which was alleged to be almost over which didnt suit her agenda

All politicians are opportunists and GITS - AND I mean all

[drfchound]

I’ll bite then...

Is that a Margaret Thatcher, the beacon of morality who:
* blocked the commonwealth move to sanction apartheid South Africa
* was good friends with Pinochet who terrorised his own people in Chile
* used the army against her own people (Miners)
* was involved in erroneously blaming LFC fans for the Hillsborough disaster
* personally intervened in the dodgiest arms deal ever with Saudi Arabia

It’s nothing new.

 

Good "rap" sheet missing only one thing ....

Sinking the Belgrano when it was sailing away from any conflict in the Falklands - thus prolonging the war - which was alleged to be almost over which didnt suit her agenda

All politicians are opportunists and GITS - AND I mean all

Wolfie.......you don’t mean that........they are all the same.
You will get the wrath of BST for that mate.

[bpoolrover]

Hound.

You reckon Johnson would want to hear it?

This being the Johnson who, when the Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committe (chaired by a senior Tory MP) expressed incredulity that he hadn't ordered an inquiry into Russian actions to undermine our democratic processes, shrugged his shoulders in Parliament and said he wasn't going to have an inquiry.

I am genuinely speechless at anyone who saw that process and isn't even a tiny bit concerned about Johnson's bona fides.

it is wrong bst your right and you have said your piece about corbyn but many posters on here have not yet are you not speechless that them posters have not uttered a word about him when the ex mi6 boss labelled him a danger to national security?

[IDM]

Take your blinkers off..  I for one have said often on here that one of the reasons Labour took a pasting in the GE was Corbyn. 

[Janso]

Hound.

You reckon Johnson would want to hear it?

This being the Johnson who, when the Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committe (chaired by a senior Tory MP) expressed incredulity that he hadn't ordered an inquiry into Russian actions to undermine our democratic processes, shrugged his shoulders in Parliament and said he wasn't going to have an inquiry.

I am genuinely speechless at anyone who saw that process and isn't even a tiny bit concerned about Johnson's bona fides.

it is wrong bst your right and you have said your piece about corbyn but many posters on here have not yet are you not speechless that them posters have not uttered a word about him when the ex mi6 boss labelled him a danger to national security?

Is all you do in the off topic section wait for your opportunity to say "but but but Labour  "? And last I checked, Corbyn wasn't Prime Minister, or even LOTO anymore, so it isn't quite as relevant as you're trying to make it, is it.

[Donnywolf]

I’ll bite then...

Is that a Margaret Thatcher, the beacon of morality who:
* blocked the commonwealth move to sanction apartheid South Africa
* was good friends with Pinochet who terrorised his own people in Chile
* used the army against her own people (Miners)
* was involved in erroneously blaming LFC fans for the Hillsborough disaster
* personally intervened in the dodgiest arms deal ever with Saudi Arabia

It’s nothing new.

 

Good "rap" sheet missing only one thing ....

Sinking the Belgrano when it was sailing away from any conflict in the Falklands - thus prolonging the war - which was alleged to be almost over which didnt suit her agenda

All politicians are opportunists and GITS - AND I mean all

Wolfie.......you don’t mean that........they are all the same.
You will get the wrath of BST for that mate.

Certainly the "career" ones are all the same.

Just read Johnson is tipped to retire Jan 2021 - lets see them all leap into action wanting to play the continuity card BUT at the same time pointing out why they can improve on what he did (or indeed didnt do)

Personally I wouldnt want to be PM any time but least of all now - but that wont stop Gove Raab Sunak and any number of other wannabees

[drfchound]

Wolfie, nail on head.
Who would want to be PM right now especially when so many people seem to know better than him / her.

[SydneyRover]

Back on topic with the US still trying to work out how much information has been hacked and how many countries were targeted we invite the son of a KGB agent to vote on laws. It must be difficult for other intelligence partners to work out wtf the govenment is doing.

Prime suspect Russia.

''The National Nuclear Security Administration’s networks were also breached, Politico reported on Thursday''

''Dozens of security and other technology firms, as well as non-governmental organizations, were also affected, Microsoft said in a statement Thursday. While most of those affected by the attack were in the US, Microsoft said it had identified additional victims in Canada, Mexico, Belgium, Spain, the United Kingdom, Israel and the United Arab Emirates''

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/dec/18/orion-hack-solarwinds-explainer-us-government

[Donnywolf]

Wolfie, nail on head.
Who would want to be PM right now especially when so many people seem to know better than him / her.

Well to be fair most of them DO in Johnsons case

[drfchound]

Wolfie, nail on head.
Who would want to be PM right now especially when so many people seem to know better than him / her.

Well to be fair most of them DO in Johnsons case

LoL.

Stuff the topic, this is much more fun.

[SydneyRover]

US security services have ask UK to see the computer games boris was given as a wedding present by his russian tennis friends apparently 

[drfchound]

“Apparently”.