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Quote from: since-1969 on March 01, 2021, 02:09:05 pmQuote from: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 12:15:51 pmFergie quit for no jobMcann left for a basket case and got relegated. Moore has left for a basket case, and will get relegated.Not beyond the realms of possibility to wonder if more than meets the eye is occuring.Could the insistence in 1 year rolling contracts be a contributing factor? I’ve said it on here before , we are pot less and in that I mean we are on a very short shoe string and managers need to explore options but the DRFC can’t or won’t put the finances at risk and any manager who is ambitious won’t come here !!And not for the first time you'd be wrong.
Quote from: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 12:15:51 pmFergie quit for no jobMcann left for a basket case and got relegated. Moore has left for a basket case, and will get relegated.Not beyond the realms of possibility to wonder if more than meets the eye is occuring.Could the insistence in 1 year rolling contracts be a contributing factor? I’ve said it on here before , we are pot less and in that I mean we are on a very short shoe string and managers need to explore options but the DRFC can’t or won’t put the finances at risk and any manager who is ambitious won’t come here !!
Fergie quit for no jobMcann left for a basket case and got relegated. Moore has left for a basket case, and will get relegated.Not beyond the realms of possibility to wonder if more than meets the eye is occuring.Could the insistence in 1 year rolling contracts be a contributing factor?
Quote from: silent majority on March 01, 2021, 02:11:13 pmQuote from: since-1969 on March 01, 2021, 02:09:05 pmQuote from: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 12:15:51 pmFergie quit for no jobMcann left for a basket case and got relegated. Moore has left for a basket case, and will get relegated.Not beyond the realms of possibility to wonder if more than meets the eye is occuring.Could the insistence in 1 year rolling contracts be a contributing factor? I’ve said it on here before , we are pot less and in that I mean we are on a very short shoe string and managers need to explore options but the DRFC can’t or won’t put the finances at risk and any manager who is ambitious won’t come here !!And not for the first time you'd be wrong. Ever since John Ryan left along with the Championship the club has been heading in a different direction. . This direction has its put falls as teams with larger fan bases develop and attract better players , DRFC are reliant on loans . Covid has levelled the platform this season for a few clubs and our present position in the league shows that we’re still in with a shout of the playoffs because of this .Darren Moore left because the opportunity came just like McCann for it’s better to get your feet under the table with a bigger club that’s going backwards in the short term , than stay with a small backwards club thats struggling in going forward! DRFC are always going to be useful to a manager who wants to keep his hand in but that’s as much as we can expect from a board who won’t try and climb without a safety net .
Quote from: selby on March 01, 2021, 01:35:34 pm Agents getting a slice has a lot to do with movement of managers and players. Add in this case a club grasping at straws spending money they haven't got again, and the fact our manager has done well and they have not got anything right for 25 years. We as a club get two sorts of managers, the ones that do well and other clubs want, and rarely nowadays poor ones we get rid of. Lets say Moore stopped and actually got us up, what future would he have? we can't compete if there is a cap at that level never mind without one, so if he got lucky one survival year then the chop and he is out of work possibly, and after the last two years at least we control whether we have a manager in place for the start of next season, and hopefully will not be scrambling about again to get a team and a manager in place before the start of next season. He might as well go for the money now and risk it, I wish him well, have confidence in Andy Butler, as a club we are what we are.DM is taking a massive risk with his career taking this job Brian. He could be out of work in 4/5 weeks.Will he ever get a decent job again if he gets sacked at Wednesday.
Agents getting a slice has a lot to do with movement of managers and players. Add in this case a club grasping at straws spending money they haven't got again, and the fact our manager has done well and they have not got anything right for 25 years. We as a club get two sorts of managers, the ones that do well and other clubs want, and rarely nowadays poor ones we get rid of. Lets say Moore stopped and actually got us up, what future would he have? we can't compete if there is a cap at that level never mind without one, so if he got lucky one survival year then the chop and he is out of work possibly, and after the last two years at least we control whether we have a manager in place for the start of next season, and hopefully will not be scrambling about again to get a team and a manager in place before the start of next season. He might as well go for the money now and risk it, I wish him well, have confidence in Andy Butler, as a club we are what we are.
Quote from: since-1969 on March 01, 2021, 02:32:17 pmQuote from: silent majority on March 01, 2021, 02:11:13 pmQuote from: since-1969 on March 01, 2021, 02:09:05 pmQuote from: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 12:15:51 pmFergie quit for no jobMcann left for a basket case and got relegated. Moore has left for a basket case, and will get relegated.Not beyond the realms of possibility to wonder if more than meets the eye is occuring.Could the insistence in 1 year rolling contracts be a contributing factor? I’ve said it on here before , we are pot less and in that I mean we are on a very short shoe string and managers need to explore options but the DRFC can’t or won’t put the finances at risk and any manager who is ambitious won’t come here !!And not for the first time you'd be wrong. Ever since John Ryan left along with the Championship the club has been heading in a different direction. . This direction has its put falls as teams with larger fan bases develop and attract better players , DRFC are reliant on loans . Covid has levelled the platform this season for a few clubs and our present position in the league shows that we’re still in with a shout of the playoffs because of this .Darren Moore left because the opportunity came just like McCann for it’s better to get your feet under the table with a bigger club that’s going backwards in the short term , than stay with a small backwards club thats struggling in going forward! DRFC are always going to be useful to a manager who wants to keep his hand in but that’s as much as we can expect from a board who won’t try and climb without a safety net . You don’t half spout some shite!!![/quote. Enlighten us all Mr Pastry what makes DRFC so attractive to TOP managers will queueing up to take us to the dizzy heights and spends the clubs £millions .
I think the answer is simple; we are reaping what we sow.We are a small club with a very limited budget that has a recruitment strategy of shortermism.As a manager coming in you are going to want to use the clubs as a stepping stone; what else can you do when you only have a one year contract? Any employee would jump ship for a more lucrative, longer term contract. I don't blame DM at all.What compounds the situation is that no manger since SOD left has been given the resources to build a team, the short term contracts and overuse of the loan systems simply don't allow it to happen. In essence it's a rebuilding job every year/ every transfer window and an environment that any manager os going to find it difficult to thrive in.The model that the club are employing maybe financially viable but it is one that has seen our last 2 two managers leave, countless players use the revolving door of the club and me, as a lifetime supporter, start to lose interest with feelings of disassociation. For me the club need to re-think this strategy and either start to develop youth properly or accumulate a squad of our own.Good luck to Moore, he is certainly no snake as has been suggested elsewhere on this thread.
Quote from: Filo on March 01, 2021, 03:37:06 pmQuote from: since-1969 on March 01, 2021, 02:32:17 pmQuote from: silent majority on March 01, 2021, 02:11:13 pmQuote from: since-1969 on March 01, 2021, 02:09:05 pmQuote from: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 12:15:51 pmFergie quit for no jobMcann left for a basket case and got relegated. Moore has left for a basket case, and will get relegated.Not beyond the realms of possibility to wonder if more than meets the eye is occuring.Could the insistence in 1 year rolling contracts be a contributing factor? I’ve said it on here before , we are pot less and in that I mean we are on a very short shoe string and managers need to explore options but the DRFC can’t or won’t put the finances at risk and any manager who is ambitious won’t come here !!And not for the first time you'd be wrong. Ever since John Ryan left along with the Championship the club has been heading in a different direction. . This direction has its put falls as teams with larger fan bases develop and attract better players , DRFC are reliant on loans . Covid has levelled the platform this season for a few clubs and our present position in the league shows that we’re still in with a shout of the playoffs because of this .Darren Moore left because the opportunity came just like McCann for it’s better to get your feet under the table with a bigger club that’s going backwards in the short term , than stay with a small backwards club thats struggling in going forward! DRFC are always going to be useful to a manager who wants to keep his hand in but that’s as much as we can expect from a board who won’t try and climb without a safety net . You don’t half spout some shite!!![/quote. Enlighten us all Mr Pastry what makes DRFC so attractive to TOP managers will queueing up to take us to the dizzy heights and spends the clubs £millions . Us all?There’s only you that comes up with the batshit conspiracy theories!!
Its no coincidence that the last 2 managers have gone to ex-premier clubs with much larger fan bases. I would love to have been a fly on the wall hearing the sell from Alam and Chansiri, who are both successful business men, and as such are ruthless by nature. For some reason McCann is still in a job at Hull although automatic looks unlikely given form and games played. The one thing Moore won't have at Wednesday is time...
What would you all suggest then? That we employ managers that nobody else wants?What it shows is we can attract great managers who other clubs envy, as a LG1 club we pay well, but its never just about money.
If finance is the decision making criterion, which it probably is Nick, then without a change in the financial base of the club, what would encourage a change in the contractual strategy? If we want that to change, why don't we all commit to the VSC to chip in a tenner a week for them to donate to the club, in return for shares, to underwrite a longer term contract for the next manager?CheersBobG
Quote from: BobG on March 01, 2021, 04:44:12 pmIf finance is the decision making criterion, which it probably is Nick, then without a change in the financial base of the club, what would encourage a change in the contractual strategy? If we want that to change, why don't we all commit to the VSC to chip in a tenner a week for them to donate to the club, in return for shares, to underwrite a longer term contract for the next manager?CheersBobGWe’ve received compensation based on the fact that both McCann & Moore had a year left to run on their contract. If they’d had 18 months or 2 years left to run then we’d have received significantly more, so by having the rolling contract the club has lost out financially. As I said, having it this way limits our downside risk if things go pear shaped but we’re obviously doing something right with our managerial recruitment process so it might be worth having more faith that we’ve got it right from the outset.
Quote from: aidanstu on March 01, 2021, 04:02:45 pmI think the answer is simple; we are reaping what we sow.We are a small club with a very limited budget that has a recruitment strategy of shortermism.As a manager coming in you are going to want to use the clubs as a stepping stone; what else can you do when you only have a one year contract? Any employee would jump ship for a more lucrative, longer term contract. I don't blame DM at all.What compounds the situation is that no manger since SOD left has been given the resources to build a team, the short term contracts and overuse of the loan systems simply don't allow it to happen. In essence it's a rebuilding job every year/ every transfer window and an environment that any manager os going to find it difficult to thrive in.The model that the club are employing maybe financially viable but it is one that has seen our last 2 two managers leave, countless players use the revolving door of the club and me, as a lifetime supporter, start to lose interest with feelings of disassociation. For me the club need to re-think this strategy and either start to develop youth properly or accumulate a squad of our own.Good luck to Moore, he is certainly no snake as has been suggested elsewhere on this thread.It may be financially viable, and as you say it doesn't work in a football perspective. Really could do with a football person on the board I think
Quote from: aidanstu on March 01, 2021, 04:02:45 pmI think the answer is simple; we are reaping what we sow.We are a small club with a very limited budget that has a recruitment strategy of shortermism.As a manager coming in you are going to want to use the clubs as a stepping stone; what else can you do when you only have a one year contract? Any employee would jump ship for a more lucrative, longer term contract. I don't blame DM at all.What compounds the situation is that no manger since SOD left has been given the resources to build a team, the short term contracts and overuse of the loan systems simply don't allow it to happen. In essence it's a rebuilding job every year/ every transfer window and an environment that any manager os going to find it difficult to thrive in.The model that the club are employing maybe financially viable but it is one that has seen our last 2 two managers leave, countless players use the revolving door of the club and me, as a lifetime supporter, start to lose interest with feelings of disassociation. For me the club need to re-think this strategy and either start to develop youth properly or accumulate a squad of our own.Good luck to Moore, he is certainly no snake as has been suggested elsewhere on this thread.Where were you 2 seasons ago when we reached the play-offs and should have got to Wembley? In a f*cking coma?
We have some great supporters don’t we. Seriously I don’t know why they bother. We are such a basket case of a club aren’t we. Give me strength. Go and support Wednesday then you would seriously have something to complain about.