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We have some great supporters don’t we. Seriously I don’t know why they bother. We are such a basket case of a club aren’t we. Give me strength. Go and support Wednesday then you would seriously have something to complain about.
Quote from: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 07:41:04 pmWe have some great supporters don’t we. Seriously I don’t know why they bother. We are such a basket case of a club aren’t we. Give me strength. Go and support Wednesday then you would seriously have something to complain about.I’ve supported the club since 1986; been a season ticket holder and seen a lot Of ups and downs. I have a right to express my views.A Football club, like any other business, will struggle to progress and prosper without stability and brand loyalty. I think you’d struggle to identify any club or business that has achieved without those two foundations.Football is about being able to identify with the brand, with players and managers and getting behind “your team”.Given the business model Doncaster are currently employing what is it that your actually supporting?Whilst you may have valid counter argument it’s a reality that the model is making meFall out of love with the club and I doubt that I’m the only one. It’s easy to say go and support another club; I couldn’t do that but something is going wrong to make supporters feel so disenfranchised.
Quote from: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 07:41:04 pmWe have some great supporters don’t we. Seriously I don’t know why they bother. We are such a basket case of a club aren’t we. Give me strength. Go and support Wednesday then you would seriously have something to complain about.Here we go criteria for being a top supporter incoming.
Quote from: aidanstu on March 01, 2021, 07:50:14 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 07:41:04 pmWe have some great supporters don’t we. Seriously I don’t know why they bother. We are such a basket case of a club aren’t we. Give me strength. Go and support Wednesday then you would seriously have something to complain about.I’ve supported the club since 1986; been a season ticket holder and seen a lot Of ups and downs. I have a right to express my views.A Football club, like any other business, will struggle to progress and prosper without stability and brand loyalty. I think you’d struggle to identify any club or business that has achieved without those two foundations.Football is about being able to identify with the brand, with players and managers and getting behind “your team”.Given the business model Doncaster are currently employing what is it that your actually supporting?Whilst you may have valid counter argument it’s a reality that the model is making meFall out of love with the club and I doubt that I’m the only one. It’s easy to say go and support another club; I couldn’t do that but something is going wrong to make supporters feel so disenfranchised.Disenfranchised. We have more supporter engagement at DRFC than probably 95% of clubs. We are constantly in the top 3/4 clubs in the EFL for being one of the top family friendly clubs with engagement with the fans being at the forefront.So I really don’t know what on earth makes you feel disenfranchised. Please explain what brand should we be. We are a football league club. That is our brand isn’t it.
Longer contracts; do people mean like the 3 year contracts Fergie used to dish out to players like Evina and Middleton and others? That went well didn't it?Or the policy of developing our own youngsters? How many of them have done well since coming through our academy?I'd love to see the faces of some of you board bashers if TB and GB ever left.
Giving a manager a five year contract wouldn’t stop them from leaving if a bigger club came calling nor give us anymore compensation. What it would do is cost us more to remove them if we needed to.
Quote from: DearneValleyRover on March 01, 2021, 08:27:33 pmGiving a manager a five year contract wouldn’t stop them from leaving if a bigger club came calling nor give us anymore compensation. What it would do is cost us more to remove them if we needed to.Are you seriously saying that a manger on a 1 year contract would demand the same compensation as if he had 5 years. Come on your better than that.The board take an age to identify managerial replacements and rarely have they got it wrong to be fair; they should back themselves a bit and give their chosen man a contract that they feel offers stability and commitment.
Quote from: aidanstu on March 01, 2021, 08:35:04 pmQuote from: DearneValleyRover on March 01, 2021, 08:27:33 pmGiving a manager a five year contract wouldn’t stop them from leaving if a bigger club came calling nor give us anymore compensation. What it would do is cost us more to remove them if we needed to.Are you seriously saying that a manger on a 1 year contract would demand the same compensation as if he had 5 years. Come on your better than that.The board take an age to identify managerial replacements and rarely have they got it wrong to be fair; they should back themselves a bit and give their chosen man a contract that they feel offers stability and commitment.The fact of the matter is that it’s true
Quote from: scawsby steve on March 01, 2021, 08:23:17 pmLonger contracts; do people mean like the 3 year contracts Fergie used to dish out to players like Evina and Middleton and others? That went well didn't it?Or the policy of developing our own youngsters? How many of them have done well since coming through our academy?I'd love to see the faces of some of you board bashers if TB and GB ever left.Instead of getting defensive please name we one club or business that has ever benefited, developed or achieved long term success from taking a similar approach.Through our failure to offer longer contracts we have lost loads of players in the past few years that would and should have demanded a decent fee. We have also had a few decent youngsters who would have done better if there squad places were not taken up by an over reliance on loan signings; waters being one very recent example.Sometime I get the sense people want to argue for the sake of arguing without being able to rationalise what they talking about. What would you rather support? A team that’s built or one that’s borrowed?
Quote from: aidanstu on March 01, 2021, 08:31:27 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on March 01, 2021, 08:23:17 pmLonger contracts; do people mean like the 3 year contracts Fergie used to dish out to players like Evina and Middleton and others? That went well didn't it?Or the policy of developing our own youngsters? How many of them have done well since coming through our academy?I'd love to see the faces of some of you board bashers if TB and GB ever left.Instead of getting defensive please name we one club or business that has ever benefited, developed or achieved long term success from taking a similar approach.Through our failure to offer longer contracts we have lost loads of players in the past few years that would and should have demanded a decent fee. We have also had a few decent youngsters who would have done better if there squad places were not taken up by an over reliance on loan signings; waters being one very recent example.Sometime I get the sense people want to argue for the sake of arguing without being able to rationalise what they talking about. What would you rather support? A team that’s built or one that’s borrowed? All sounds great and highly desirable but we live in different times now where the market for players is so much different. I really cannot see any manager refusing to use the loan market to the maximum, unless we were blessed with an exceptional crop of youngsters. To build that sort of development, we would require even further significant investment, which would detract from the money put into the first team squad. You also need stability which is something we've been deprived of recently and then you add the Covid situation on top of that too. There may be a degree of catch 22 with it that's true. We've hired good managers with part of the attraction is being a club that allows the manager to get on with it and not be constrained by interference from above.But going back to the issue of loans, it's just a no brainer not to take advantage of some of the talent that is being offered to you. Weigh that financially against the outlay for the infrastructure that produces similar talent year on year. The difference would be vast and a risk we're just not in a position to take.Are you telling me you would not take advantage of the loan system?
Well stated mate and fully agree, the board’s unwillingness to acknowledge issues like Ferguson and McCann going in similar circumstances says it all, both had a dig at the owners and Baldwin, no smoke without fire especially third time round, I agree Moore’s bang out of order but when you’ve a license to do whatever it doesn’t matter, a contract with a 300k release clause would have beneficial
Quote from: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 07:58:15 pmQuote from: aidanstu on March 01, 2021, 07:50:14 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 07:41:04 pmWe have some great supporters don’t we. Seriously I don’t know why they bother. We are such a basket case of a club aren’t we. Give me strength. Go and support Wednesday then you would seriously have something to complain about.I’ve supported the club since 1986; been a season ticket holder and seen a lot Of ups and downs. I have a right to express my views.A Football club, like any other business, will struggle to progress and prosper without stability and brand loyalty. I think you’d struggle to identify any club or business that has achieved without those two foundations.Football is about being able to identify with the brand, with players and managers and getting behind “your team”.Given the business model Doncaster are currently employing what is it that your actually supporting?Whilst you may have valid counter argument it’s a reality that the model is making meFall out of love with the club and I doubt that I’m the only one. It’s easy to say go and support another club; I couldn’t do that but something is going wrong to make supporters feel so disenfranchised.Disenfranchised. We have more supporter engagement at DRFC than probably 95% of clubs. We are constantly in the top 3/4 clubs in the EFL for being one of the top family friendly clubs with engagement with the fans being at the forefront.So I really don’t know what on earth makes you feel disenfranchised. Please explain what brand should we be. We are a football league club. That is our brand isn’t it. I think you’ve taken that out of context; the club do a great job of fan engagement on the community side of things and I can’t fault it on that front.I made an earlier post on this thread which spoke about the shortermism of the signings and in the pair you replied to explained how that made me feel disenfranchised as a supporter.I also explained what brand I’d like to see around developing youth and building a squad of our own so we were not supporting a pretty much entirely different group of players each year. If you can’t understand that we are going to have to agree to disagree.For me the current short term thinking is one step removed from “the experiment” and I struggle to enjoy it.
Quote from: DonnyBazR0ver on March 01, 2021, 08:59:55 pmQuote from: aidanstu on March 01, 2021, 08:31:27 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on March 01, 2021, 08:23:17 pmLonger contracts; do people mean like the 3 year contracts Fergie used to dish out to players like Evina and Middleton and others? That went well didn't it?Or the policy of developing our own youngsters? How many of them have done well since coming through our academy?I'd love to see the faces of some of you board bashers if TB and GB ever left.Instead of getting defensive please name we one club or business that has ever benefited, developed or achieved long term success from taking a similar approach.Through our failure to offer longer contracts we have lost loads of players in the past few years that would and should have demanded a decent fee. We have also had a few decent youngsters who would have done better if there squad places were not taken up by an over reliance on loan signings; waters being one very recent example.Sometime I get the sense people want to argue for the sake of arguing without being able to rationalise what they talking about. What would you rather support? A team that’s built or one that’s borrowed? All sounds great and highly desirable but we live in different times now where the market for players is so much different. I really cannot see any manager refusing to use the loan market to the maximum, unless we were blessed with an exceptional crop of youngsters. To build that sort of development, we would require even further significant investment, which would detract from the money put into the first team squad. You also need stability which is something we've been deprived of recently and then you add the Covid situation on top of that too. There may be a degree of catch 22 with it that's true. We've hired good managers with part of the attraction is being a club that allows the manager to get on with it and not be constrained by interference from above.But going back to the issue of loans, it's just a no brainer not to take advantage of some of the talent that is being offered to you. Weigh that financially against the outlay for the infrastructure that produces similar talent year on year. The difference would be vast and a risk we're just not in a position to take.Are you telling me you would not take advantage of the loan system? I respect that reply; I’m not saying I wouldn’t or we shouldn’t but I do think we are over reliant upon it and it stiffly the development of our own players.Take Louis Jones for example; great young keeper, never put a foot wrong but can’t get a sniff of the first team, max waters was the same and I think Beeston and Middleton could have really kicked on given half a chance.
Quote from: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 06:52:15 pmQuote from: aidanstu on March 01, 2021, 04:02:45 pmI think the answer is simple; we are reaping what we sow.We are a small club with a very limited budget that has a recruitment strategy of shortermism.As a manager coming in you are going to want to use the clubs as a stepping stone; what else can you do when you only have a one year contract? Any employee would jump ship for a more lucrative, longer term contract. I don't blame DM at all.What compounds the situation is that no manger since SOD left has been given the resources to build a team, the short term contracts and overuse of the loan systems simply don't allow it to happen. In essence it's a rebuilding job every year/ every transfer window and an environment that any manager os going to find it difficult to thrive in.The model that the club are employing maybe financially viable but it is one that has seen our last 2 two managers leave, countless players use the revolving door of the club and me, as a lifetime supporter, start to lose interest with feelings of disassociation. For me the club need to re-think this strategy and either start to develop youth properly or accumulate a squad of our own.Good luck to Moore, he is certainly no snake as has been suggested elsewhere on this thread.It may be financially viable, and as you say it doesn't work in a football perspective. Really could do with a football person on the board I think A football person on the board?What does that mean, and what difference would that make? What constitutes a football person?I just think its an easy statement to trot out, but it means nothing.
Quote from: aidanstu on March 01, 2021, 04:02:45 pmI think the answer is simple; we are reaping what we sow.We are a small club with a very limited budget that has a recruitment strategy of shortermism.As a manager coming in you are going to want to use the clubs as a stepping stone; what else can you do when you only have a one year contract? Any employee would jump ship for a more lucrative, longer term contract. I don't blame DM at all.What compounds the situation is that no manger since SOD left has been given the resources to build a team, the short term contracts and overuse of the loan systems simply don't allow it to happen. In essence it's a rebuilding job every year/ every transfer window and an environment that any manager os going to find it difficult to thrive in.The model that the club are employing maybe financially viable but it is one that has seen our last 2 two managers leave, countless players use the revolving door of the club and me, as a lifetime supporter, start to lose interest with feelings of disassociation. For me the club need to re-think this strategy and either start to develop youth properly or accumulate a squad of our own.Good luck to Moore, he is certainly no snake as has been suggested elsewhere on this thread.It may be financially viable, and as you say it doesn't work in a football perspective. Really could do with a football person on the board I think
I think the answer is simple; we are reaping what we sow.We are a small club with a very limited budget that has a recruitment strategy of shortermism.As a manager coming in you are going to want to use the clubs as a stepping stone; what else can you do when you only have a one year contract? Any employee would jump ship for a more lucrative, longer term contract. I don't blame DM at all.What compounds the situation is that no manger since SOD left has been given the resources to build a team, the short term contracts and overuse of the loan systems simply don't allow it to happen. In essence it's a rebuilding job every year/ every transfer window and an environment that any manager os going to find it difficult to thrive in.The model that the club are employing maybe financially viable but it is one that has seen our last 2 two managers leave, countless players use the revolving door of the club and me, as a lifetime supporter, start to lose interest with feelings of disassociation. For me the club need to re-think this strategy and either start to develop youth properly or accumulate a squad of our own.Good luck to Moore, he is certainly no snake as has been suggested elsewhere on this thread.
Quote from: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 07:41:04 pmWe have some great supporters don’t we. Seriously I don’t know why they bother. We are such a basket case of a club aren’t we. Give me strength. Go and support Wednesday then you would seriously have something to complain about.Get a grip of yourself man, people are allowed to express concern if they want
Quote from: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 09:39:07 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 07:41:04 pmWe have some great supporters don’t we. Seriously I don’t know why they bother. We are such a basket case of a club aren’t we. Give me strength. Go and support Wednesday then you would seriously have something to complain about.Get a grip of yourself man, people are allowed to express concern if they wantConcerns and slagging off the way the club is run are 2 totally different things.I think you need to get a grip on reality and the financial world football is living in at the present.
Quote from: DearneValleyRover on March 01, 2021, 08:27:33 pmGiving a manager a five year contract wouldn’t stop them from leaving if a bigger club came calling nor give us anymore compensation. What it would do is cost us more to remove them if we needed to.The club pride themselves on a stringent recruitment process, and to be fair they have done well on the last 2 occasions. They should show courage and back their man with a longer contract to start with, it immediately starts with a settled stable base. When said manager does well, because they got the right man after the stringent process, then other clubs would think twice about approaching him bacause it would cost alot more, and wouldn't be so easy to poach him.
Quote from: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 09:46:49 pmQuote from: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 09:39:07 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 07:41:04 pmWe have some great supporters don%u2019t we. Seriously I don%u2019t know why they bother. We are such a basket case of a club aren%u2019t we. Give me strength. Go and support Wednesday then you would seriously have something to complain about.Get a grip of yourself man, people are allowed to express concern if they wantConcerns and slagging off the way the club is run are 2 totally different things.I think you need to get a grip on reality and the financial world football is living in at the present.Whos "sagging off" as you put it?I only see concerns being raised articulately. The only "sagging off" is from YOU by moaning at the ones raising valid concerns.
Quote from: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 09:39:07 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 07:41:04 pmWe have some great supporters don%u2019t we. Seriously I don%u2019t know why they bother. We are such a basket case of a club aren%u2019t we. Give me strength. Go and support Wednesday then you would seriously have something to complain about.Get a grip of yourself man, people are allowed to express concern if they wantConcerns and slagging off the way the club is run are 2 totally different things.I think you need to get a grip on reality and the financial world football is living in at the present.
Quote from: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 07:41:04 pmWe have some great supporters don%u2019t we. Seriously I don%u2019t know why they bother. We are such a basket case of a club aren%u2019t we. Give me strength. Go and support Wednesday then you would seriously have something to complain about.Get a grip of yourself man, people are allowed to express concern if they want
We have some great supporters don%u2019t we. Seriously I don%u2019t know why they bother. We are such a basket case of a club aren%u2019t we. Give me strength. Go and support Wednesday then you would seriously have something to complain about.
Quote from: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 09:44:42 pmQuote from: DearneValleyRover on March 01, 2021, 08:27:33 pmGiving a manager a five year contract wouldn’t stop them from leaving if a bigger club came calling nor give us anymore compensation. What it would do is cost us more to remove them if we needed to.The club pride themselves on a stringent recruitment process, and to be fair they have done well on the last 2 occasions. They should show courage and back their man with a longer contract to start with, it immediately starts with a settled stable base. When said manager does well, because they got the right man after the stringent process, then other clubs would think twice about approaching him bacause it would cost alot more, and wouldn't be so easy to poach him. Ask the Ipswich fans how that’s worked out with Lambert?