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Quote from: Chris Black come back on March 13, 2021, 11:13:37 amPlenty of people look on enviously at Peterborough and the transfer fees they have brought in from players over recent years. Nobody stopped and thought that it hasn’t done them any good? They are a club with comparable gates to us (a touch less usually) and have this rolling windfall, yet in the last 25 years have been in the Championship for around half the time we have (3 seasons and got relegated in two of those). You have to do something with your money and they don’t appear to be very effective compared to us. Whilst I take your point it hardly addresses mine. The question is if clubs like Peterborough can demand such fees why can’t we?
Plenty of people look on enviously at Peterborough and the transfer fees they have brought in from players over recent years. Nobody stopped and thought that it hasn’t done them any good? They are a club with comparable gates to us (a touch less usually) and have this rolling windfall, yet in the last 25 years have been in the Championship for around half the time we have (3 seasons and got relegated in two of those). You have to do something with your money and they don’t appear to be very effective compared to us.
Quote from: aidanstu on March 13, 2021, 11:15:51 amQuote from: Chris Black come back on March 13, 2021, 11:13:37 amPlenty of people look on enviously at Peterborough and the transfer fees they have brought in from players over recent years. Nobody stopped and thought that it hasn’t done them any good? They are a club with comparable gates to us (a touch less usually) and have this rolling windfall, yet in the last 25 years have been in the Championship for around half the time we have (3 seasons and got relegated in two of those). You have to do something with your money and they don’t appear to be very effective compared to us. Whilst I take your point it hardly addresses mine. The question is if clubs like Peterborough can demand such fees why can’t we? Why is it important to you that we're seen to match other teams transfer fees?
Quote from: vaya on March 13, 2021, 11:31:45 amQuote from: aidanstu on March 13, 2021, 11:15:51 amQuote from: Chris Black come back on March 13, 2021, 11:13:37 amPlenty of people look on enviously at Peterborough and the transfer fees they have brought in from players over recent years. Nobody stopped and thought that it hasn’t done them any good? They are a club with comparable gates to us (a touch less usually) and have this rolling windfall, yet in the last 25 years have been in the Championship for around half the time we have (3 seasons and got relegated in two of those). You have to do something with your money and they don’t appear to be very effective compared to us. Whilst I take your point it hardly addresses mine. The question is if clubs like Peterborough can demand such fees why can’t we? Why is it important to you that we're seen to match other teams transfer fees?I think the question should be why don’t you? I want to see the club progress and to do so that you can’t be seen to easy pickings, in terms of transfers, for other clubs. It’s makes no sense in a progressive model, or indeed any model of business to let your assets go cheaply. I think you’re arguing for arguments sake; you need to think this through.
Quote from: scawsby steve on March 06, 2021, 05:53:17 pmQuote from: aidanstu on March 06, 2021, 05:37:36 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on March 06, 2021, 05:27:11 pmQuote from: aidanstu on March 06, 2021, 03:36:10 amIn another thread I raised my concern about, the failure of the club to ensure our better players are on longer contracts, the constant need to rebuild the team and how, as a supporter, it is difficult to be a fan of a team that is constantly being overhauled.Whilst some contracts may get sorted and there are options of extensions with some, this. As far as I can make out, is the current squad for next season.JohnBostockWilliamsBoggle Two of these players aren’t regular starters and the manager is also out of contract in the summer. I get shot down by many for critiquing the board but surely people understand my thinking, even in terms of sellable assets we would be lucky if we could get 1m for those players combined.This business model really does bother me and as i have said elsewhere, in my view, you can’t build any successful business with such a transient core of key staff and management. If anyone can name any sports team that have used this system and achieved I’d be willing to hear it..I do understand the financial difficulties the board face but there are other ways of developing g a team that encourage growth without the short termism. Barnsley and Burnley being great examples.In that case, why don't you do us all a favour and go and support Barnsley.You'll not be missed on this forum with your constant whining.It’s not whining it’s genuine concern; just because you don’t have the foresight and are unable to offer a reasoned debate doesn't me I can’t do likewise. One day, when this goes belly up, I hope you reflect on this discussion in a different light.If we finish in the top 6 this season, which is the board's remit, I hope you reflect on this discussion in a different light.And this is the difference between how I think and how you think. I don’t really care, to a point, where we finish in the short term, of course I would prefer success, but not at all costs.If we go up next season we have to rebuild only having 8 currently contracted players, 3 of which don’t get in the first 11. That isn’t a foundation for entering one of the toughest leagues in the world.If we go up we will some how have to find, between now and then, circa 15 players capable of playing at championship level. What do you reckon our chances of staying up year on year, or progressing further in those circumstances? We are destined to be a yo-yo club that develop youth for other teams and never progress from that due to the fact we receive nothing/ next to nothing for the few players we do have contracted.You and I base success on different measures; this isn’t. As much as you may want it to be, a sustainable solution. You reflect the “I want it now” element of society where as I belive in steady, sustainable growth.I’ve asked the question 3 times and not had one answer yet...can anyone name a sporting team that have achieved sustainable success from using this model?
Quote from: aidanstu on March 06, 2021, 05:37:36 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on March 06, 2021, 05:27:11 pmQuote from: aidanstu on March 06, 2021, 03:36:10 amIn another thread I raised my concern about, the failure of the club to ensure our better players are on longer contracts, the constant need to rebuild the team and how, as a supporter, it is difficult to be a fan of a team that is constantly being overhauled.Whilst some contracts may get sorted and there are options of extensions with some, this. As far as I can make out, is the current squad for next season.JohnBostockWilliamsBoggle Two of these players aren’t regular starters and the manager is also out of contract in the summer. I get shot down by many for critiquing the board but surely people understand my thinking, even in terms of sellable assets we would be lucky if we could get 1m for those players combined.This business model really does bother me and as i have said elsewhere, in my view, you can’t build any successful business with such a transient core of key staff and management. If anyone can name any sports team that have used this system and achieved I’d be willing to hear it..I do understand the financial difficulties the board face but there are other ways of developing g a team that encourage growth without the short termism. Barnsley and Burnley being great examples.In that case, why don't you do us all a favour and go and support Barnsley.You'll not be missed on this forum with your constant whining.It’s not whining it’s genuine concern; just because you don’t have the foresight and are unable to offer a reasoned debate doesn't me I can’t do likewise. One day, when this goes belly up, I hope you reflect on this discussion in a different light.If we finish in the top 6 this season, which is the board's remit, I hope you reflect on this discussion in a different light.
Quote from: scawsby steve on March 06, 2021, 05:27:11 pmQuote from: aidanstu on March 06, 2021, 03:36:10 amIn another thread I raised my concern about, the failure of the club to ensure our better players are on longer contracts, the constant need to rebuild the team and how, as a supporter, it is difficult to be a fan of a team that is constantly being overhauled.Whilst some contracts may get sorted and there are options of extensions with some, this. As far as I can make out, is the current squad for next season.JohnBostockWilliamsBoggle Two of these players aren’t regular starters and the manager is also out of contract in the summer. I get shot down by many for critiquing the board but surely people understand my thinking, even in terms of sellable assets we would be lucky if we could get 1m for those players combined.This business model really does bother me and as i have said elsewhere, in my view, you can’t build any successful business with such a transient core of key staff and management. If anyone can name any sports team that have used this system and achieved I’d be willing to hear it..I do understand the financial difficulties the board face but there are other ways of developing g a team that encourage growth without the short termism. Barnsley and Burnley being great examples.In that case, why don't you do us all a favour and go and support Barnsley.You'll not be missed on this forum with your constant whining.It’s not whining it’s genuine concern; just because you don’t have the foresight and are unable to offer a reasoned debate doesn't me I can’t do likewise. One day, when this goes belly up, I hope you reflect on this discussion in a different light.
Quote from: aidanstu on March 06, 2021, 03:36:10 amIn another thread I raised my concern about, the failure of the club to ensure our better players are on longer contracts, the constant need to rebuild the team and how, as a supporter, it is difficult to be a fan of a team that is constantly being overhauled.Whilst some contracts may get sorted and there are options of extensions with some, this. As far as I can make out, is the current squad for next season.JohnBostockWilliamsBoggle Two of these players aren’t regular starters and the manager is also out of contract in the summer. I get shot down by many for critiquing the board but surely people understand my thinking, even in terms of sellable assets we would be lucky if we could get 1m for those players combined.This business model really does bother me and as i have said elsewhere, in my view, you can’t build any successful business with such a transient core of key staff and management. If anyone can name any sports team that have used this system and achieved I’d be willing to hear it..I do understand the financial difficulties the board face but there are other ways of developing g a team that encourage growth without the short termism. Barnsley and Burnley being great examples.In that case, why don't you do us all a favour and go and support Barnsley.You'll not be missed on this forum with your constant whining.
In another thread I raised my concern about, the failure of the club to ensure our better players are on longer contracts, the constant need to rebuild the team and how, as a supporter, it is difficult to be a fan of a team that is constantly being overhauled.Whilst some contracts may get sorted and there are options of extensions with some, this. As far as I can make out, is the current squad for next season.JohnBostockWilliamsBoggle Two of these players aren’t regular starters and the manager is also out of contract in the summer. I get shot down by many for critiquing the board but surely people understand my thinking, even in terms of sellable assets we would be lucky if we could get 1m for those players combined.This business model really does bother me and as i have said elsewhere, in my view, you can’t build any successful business with such a transient core of key staff and management. If anyone can name any sports team that have used this system and achieved I’d be willing to hear it..I do understand the financial difficulties the board face but there are other ways of developing g a team that encourage growth without the short termism. Barnsley and Burnley being great examples.
Quote from: vaya on March 13, 2021, 11:31:45 amQuote from: aidanstu on March 13, 2021, 11:15:51 amQuote from: Chris Black come back on March 13, 2021, 11:13:37 amPlenty of people look on enviously at Peterborough and the transfer fees they have brought in from players over recent years. Nobody stopped and thought that it hasn’t done them any good? They are a club with comparable gates to us (a touch less usually) and have this rolling windfall, yet in the last 25 years have been in the Championship for around half the time we have (3 seasons and got relegated in two of those). You have to do something with your money and they don’t appear to be very effective compared to us. Whilst I take your point it hardly addresses mine. The question is if clubs like Peterborough can demand such fees why can’t we? Why is it important to you that we're seen to match other teams transfer fees?I think the question should be why don’t you? I want to see the club progress and to do so that you can’t be seen to easy pickings, in terms of transfers, for other clubs. It makes no sense in a progressive model, or indeed any model of business to let your assets go cheaply. I think you’re arguing for arguments sake; you need to think this through.Whilst Peterborough demand high fees we do not; it doesn’t stop them selling players and it doesn’t stop their want away players fromLeaving; what other clubs do know about them though is that if they want their good players they are going to pay the price; same with Barnsley.We have a reputation in the game, or at least should have, that if you want a donny player in offer low and they’ll eventually cave. Why are you not concerned about that? And before you argue back name one player ever that we have got what the fans consider market value for.
Quote from: aidanstu on March 13, 2021, 12:11:33 pmQuote from: vaya on March 13, 2021, 11:31:45 amQuote from: aidanstu on March 13, 2021, 11:15:51 amQuote from: Chris Black come back on March 13, 2021, 11:13:37 amPlenty of people look on enviously at Peterborough and the transfer fees they have brought in from players over recent years. Nobody stopped and thought that it hasn’t done them any good? They are a club with comparable gates to us (a touch less usually) and have this rolling windfall, yet in the last 25 years have been in the Championship for around half the time we have (3 seasons and got relegated in two of those). You have to do something with your money and they don’t appear to be very effective compared to us. Whilst I take your point it hardly addresses mine. The question is if clubs like Peterborough can demand such fees why can’t we? Why is it important to you that we're seen to match other teams transfer fees?I think the question should be why don’t you? I want to see the club progress and to do so that you can’t be seen to easy pickings, in terms of transfers, for other clubs. It makes no sense in a progressive model, or indeed any model of business to let your assets go cheaply. I think you’re arguing for arguments sake; you need to think this through.Whilst Peterborough demand high fees we do not; it doesn’t stop them selling players and it doesn’t stop their want away players fromLeaving; what other clubs do know about them though is that if they want their good players they are going to pay the price; same with Barnsley.We have a reputation in the game, or at least should have, that if you want a donny player in offer low and they’ll eventually cave. Why are you not concerned about that? And before you argue back name one player ever that we have got what the fans consider market value for.But it's not the fans who decide on the market value! It's the market itself that decides.I'll name two players who we got market value for, Ben Whiteman and John Marquis. They got sold for what the market was prepared to pay.
Quote from: silent majority on March 13, 2021, 12:47:26 pmQuote from: aidanstu on March 13, 2021, 12:11:33 pmQuote from: vaya on March 13, 2021, 11:31:45 amQuote from: aidanstu on March 13, 2021, 11:15:51 amQuote from: Chris Black come back on March 13, 2021, 11:13:37 amPlenty of people look on enviously at Peterborough and the transfer fees they have brought in from players over recent years. Nobody stopped and thought that it hasn’t done them any good? They are a club with comparable gates to us (a touch less usually) and have this rolling windfall, yet in the last 25 years have been in the Championship for around half the time we have (3 seasons and got relegated in two of those). You have to do something with your money and they don’t appear to be very effective compared to us. Whilst I take your point it hardly addresses mine. The question is if clubs like Peterborough can demand such fees why can’t we? Why is it important to you that we're seen to match other teams transfer fees?I think the question should be why don’t you? I want to see the club progress and to do so that you can’t be seen to easy pickings, in terms of transfers, for other clubs. It makes no sense in a progressive model, or indeed any model of business to let your assets go cheaply. I think you’re arguing for arguments sake; you need to think this through.Whilst Peterborough demand high fees we do not; it doesn’t stop them selling players and it doesn’t stop their want away players fromLeaving; what other clubs do know about them though is that if they want their good players they are going to pay the price; same with Barnsley.We have a reputation in the game, or at least should have, that if you want a donny player in offer low and they’ll eventually cave. Why are you not concerned about that? And before you argue back name one player ever that we have got what the fans consider market value for.But it's not the fans who decide on the market value! It's the market itself that decides.I'll name two players who we got market value for, Ben Whiteman and John Marquis. They got sold for what the market was prepared to pay.To put your argument into context Ivan Toney, who is the same age as Whiteman and wasn’t a club captain went for 10 million to a similar sized club to Preston in the pandemic. Whilst I accept he is a striker, that’s 500% more than the best reported fee we got for Whiteman. Defend the club all you want but we were robbed. It bothers me that you and others are are just prepared to accept it.I don’t think there is any typeof conspiracy or anything of that ilk but something is going badly wrong given the pattern of players leaving so cheaply. I’m simply asking why.I don’t even care if the club reinvest the fee received directly into a transfer budget, I know the board are trying to sustain the club , but surely the best way of doing it is to stop selling cheaply.
Quote from: ravenrover on March 12, 2021, 09:02:59 pmQuote from: aidanstu on March 12, 2021, 06:00:42 pmIt was around the 2 million mark as reported; he was our young captain with considerable time left on his contract who had gone on to be a first team regular in the championship. How much do you think he was worth, moreTo the point how much do you think he would have gone for if he was at Peterborough ? We were robbed like we were with Marquis and everybody on this board knows it; the difference is some of us aren’t blinkered.And here was silly old me thinking the fee was undisclosed for both players, I'll have to pay more attention to your blatherings as you are obviously better informedHow do you keep a player who wants to leave even if said player is under contract at DRFC not Posh?Ok so what do you think a player of his Calibre would be worth?
Quote from: aidanstu on March 12, 2021, 06:00:42 pmIt was around the 2 million mark as reported; he was our young captain with considerable time left on his contract who had gone on to be a first team regular in the championship. How much do you think he was worth, moreTo the point how much do you think he would have gone for if he was at Peterborough ? We were robbed like we were with Marquis and everybody on this board knows it; the difference is some of us aren’t blinkered.And here was silly old me thinking the fee was undisclosed for both players, I'll have to pay more attention to your blatherings as you are obviously better informedHow do you keep a player who wants to leave even if said player is under contract at DRFC not Posh?
It was around the 2 million mark as reported; he was our young captain with considerable time left on his contract who had gone on to be a first team regular in the championship. How much do you think he was worth, moreTo the point how much do you think he would have gone for if he was at Peterborough ? We were robbed like we were with Marquis and everybody on this board knows it; the difference is some of us aren’t blinkered.
Quote from: aidanstu on March 13, 2021, 11:12:38 amQuote from: ravenrover on March 12, 2021, 09:02:59 pmQuote from: aidanstu on March 12, 2021, 06:00:42 pmIt was around the 2 million mark as reported; he was our young captain with considerable time left on his contract who had gone on to be a first team regular in the championship. How much do you think he was worth, moreTo the point how much do you think he would have gone for if he was at Peterborough ? We were robbed like we were with Marquis and everybody on this board knows it; the difference is some of us aren’t blinkered.And here was silly old me thinking the fee was undisclosed for both players, I'll have to pay more attention to your blatherings as you are obviously better informedHow do you keep a player who wants to leave even if said player is under contract at DRFC not Posh?Ok so what do you think a player of his Calibre would be worth?Doesn't matter what I think, it's what another club is prepared to pay, and that in the case of JM and BW is something we don't know
Quote from: ravenrover on March 13, 2021, 03:17:14 pmQuote from: aidanstu on March 13, 2021, 11:12:38 amQuote from: ravenrover on March 12, 2021, 09:02:59 pmQuote from: aidanstu on March 12, 2021, 06:00:42 pmIt was around the 2 million mark as reported; he was our young captain with considerable time left on his contract who had gone on to be a first team regular in the championship. How much do you think he was worth, moreTo the point how much do you think he would have gone for if he was at Peterborough ? We were robbed like we were with Marquis and everybody on this board knows it; the difference is some of us aren’t blinkered.And here was silly old me thinking the fee was undisclosed for both players, I'll have to pay more attention to your blatherings as you are obviously better informedHow do you keep a player who wants to leave even if said player is under contract at DRFC not Posh?Ok so what do you think a player of his Calibre would be worth?Doesn't matter what I think, it's what another club is prepared to pay, and that in the case of JM and BW is something we don't knowSo I take it from that you thought he was worth more than the reported 2 million, anyway we can agree to disagree but when people start to feel unrest as there is no money for transfers or the club start making further cut backs people might want to reflect on what could and should have been.
Quote from: ravenrover on March 13, 2021, 03:17:14 pmQuote from: aidanstu on March 13, 2021, 11:12:38 amQuote from: ravenrover on March 12, 2021, 09:02:59 pmQuote from: aidanstu on March 12, 2021, 06:00:42 pmIt was around the 2 million mark as reported; he was our young captain with considerable time left on his contract who had gone on to be a first team regular in the championship. How much do you think he was worth, moreTo the point how much do you think he would have gone for if he was at Peterborough ? We were robbed like we were with Marquis and everybody on this board knows it; the difference is some of us aren’t blinkered.And here was silly old me thinking the fee was undisclosed for both players, I'll have to pay more attention to your blatherings as you are obviously better informedHow do you keep a player who wants to leave even if said player is under contract at DRFC not Posh?Ok so what do you think a player of his Calibre would be worth?Doesn't matter what I think, it's what another club is prepared to pay, and that in the case of JM and BW is something we don't knowSo I take it from that you thought he was worth more than the reported 2 million, anyway we can agree to disagree but when people start to fee unrest as there is no money for transfers or the club start making cut backs people might want to reflect on what could and should have been