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What mistakes have the board made over the last few years? A season under McCann, made the League 1 play offs, he walked for a job in a higher division. Appointed Moore, an ex-player who has won Premier League Manager of the Month, and is generally considered to have been unfairly sacked from 4th in Championship? An appointment that most of us were excited by, he then walked to a job in a higher division. Bought Whiteman cheap and sold for millions? Butler might be a misstep, sure, but the intention was right, and we were badly out of form before he was appointed.Butler doesn't like the loan policy any more than we do, and if he's kept on, wants to build a squad of his own men, not loanees. Moore liked the loanee policy, and from what I've heard, annoyed the board with his pissing about over transfers.Our biggest problem at the minute is stability, because we've appointed two blokes who ran off at the first sign of Championship money. I may look foolish down the line, but I reckon Butler wouldn't do that. This is his dream job. He's one of us.The only fault I have with the board is that they've put their faith in the wrong person. But every single person on this board has done that at some point in their life.
Hindsight is the best tool in the box. Even you must admit they have got this one wrong Martin.
Quote from: Red wizard on April 03, 2021, 11:06:25 amHindsight is the best tool in the box. Even you must admit they have got this one wrong Martin.I don't doubt that Andy, but how where they to know?It worked before, handsomely.
Quote from: silent majority on April 03, 2021, 11:12:55 amQuote from: Red wizard on April 03, 2021, 11:06:25 amHindsight is the best tool in the box. Even you must admit they have got this one wrong Martin.I don't doubt that Andy, but how where they to know?It worked before, handsomely.Flynn was hardly inexperienced
Quote from: Filo on April 03, 2021, 11:22:28 amQuote from: silent majority on April 03, 2021, 11:12:55 amQuote from: Red wizard on April 03, 2021, 11:06:25 amHindsight is the best tool in the box. Even you must admit they have got this one wrong Martin.I don't doubt that Andy, but how where they to know?It worked before, handsomely.Flynn was hardly inexperiencedI never mentioned experience, I said they chose to appoint from within. That person would have known the strengths and weaknesses of each player, the playing formations that had worked and was already accepted by the players.And that acceptance was acknowledged by the players themselves, they were pleased for AB and wanted it to work. The senior players, especially people like JC, had committed themselves to do everything possible to help out.As I said, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Quote from: swintonrover on April 03, 2021, 09:56:19 amWhat mistakes have the board made over the last few years? A season under McCann, made the League 1 play offs, he walked for a job in a higher division. Appointed Moore, an ex-player who has won Premier League Manager of the Month, and is generally considered to have been unfairly sacked from 4th in Championship? An appointment that most of us were excited by, he then walked to a job in a higher division. Bought Whiteman cheap and sold for millions? Butler might be a misstep, sure, but the intention was right, and we were badly out of form before he was appointed.Butler doesn't like the loan policy any more than we do, and if he's kept on, wants to build a squad of his own men, not loanees. Moore liked the loanee policy, and from what I've heard, annoyed the board with his pissing about over transfers.Our biggest problem at the minute is stability, because we've appointed two blokes who ran off at the first sign of Championship money. I may look foolish down the line, but I reckon Butler wouldn't do that. This is his dream job. He's one of us.The only fault I have with the board is that they've put their faith in the wrong person. But every single person on this board has done that at some point in their life.Fergie, mcann and Moore left for good reason.Budget. Sold marquis and Whiteman for a fraction of their worth, no wonder managers walk.Sheer incompetence in appointing butler, he was the cheap and easy option, no other reason.Time for some leadership from Baldwin and blunt.
Quote from: Getridorit on April 03, 2021, 01:16:44 pmQuote from: swintonrover on April 03, 2021, 09:56:19 amWhat mistakes have the board made over the last few years? A season under McCann, made the League 1 play offs, he walked for a job in a higher division. Appointed Moore, an ex-player who has won Premier League Manager of the Month, and is generally considered to have been unfairly sacked from 4th in Championship? An appointment that most of us were excited by, he then walked to a job in a higher division. Bought Whiteman cheap and sold for millions? Butler might be a misstep, sure, but the intention was right, and we were badly out of form before he was appointed.Butler doesn't like the loan policy any more than we do, and if he's kept on, wants to build a squad of his own men, not loanees. Moore liked the loanee policy, and from what I've heard, annoyed the board with his pissing about over transfers.Our biggest problem at the minute is stability, because we've appointed two blokes who ran off at the first sign of Championship money. I may look foolish down the line, but I reckon Butler wouldn't do that. This is his dream job. He's one of us.The only fault I have with the board is that they've put their faith in the wrong person. But every single person on this board has done that at some point in their life.Fergie, mcann and Moore left for good reason.Budget. Sold marquis and Whiteman for a fraction of their worth, no wonder managers walk.Sheer incompetence in appointing butler, he was the cheap and easy option, no other reason.Time for some leadership from Baldwin and blunt. My goodness the inside information you have about the club is amazingLet us all in on the secrets, don't keep them to yourselfHow much did JM and BW go for?When did you have this conversation with not 1 but all 3 previous managers?All you need do is to give us a few facts to support your post
Quote from: ravenrover on April 03, 2021, 01:55:48 pmQuote from: Getridorit on April 03, 2021, 01:16:44 pmQuote from: swintonrover on April 03, 2021, 09:56:19 amWhat mistakes have the board made over the last few years? A season under McCann, made the League 1 play offs, he walked for a job in a higher division. Appointed Moore, an ex-player who has won Premier League Manager of the Month, and is generally considered to have been unfairly sacked from 4th in Championship? An appointment that most of us were excited by, he then walked to a job in a higher division. Bought Whiteman cheap and sold for millions? Butler might be a misstep, sure, but the intention was right, and we were badly out of form before he was appointed.Butler doesn't like the loan policy any more than we do, and if he's kept on, wants to build a squad of his own men, not loanees. Moore liked the loanee policy, and from what I've heard, annoyed the board with his pissing about over transfers.Our biggest problem at the minute is stability, because we've appointed two blokes who ran off at the first sign of Championship money. I may look foolish down the line, but I reckon Butler wouldn't do that. This is his dream job. He's one of us.The only fault I have with the board is that they've put their faith in the wrong person. But every single person on this board has done that at some point in their life.Fergie, mcann and Moore left for good reason.Budget. Sold marquis and Whiteman for a fraction of their worth, no wonder managers walk.Sheer incompetence in appointing butler, he was the cheap and easy option, no other reason.Time for some leadership from Baldwin and blunt. My goodness the inside information you have about the club is amazingLet us all in on the secrets, don't keep them to yourselfHow much did JM and BW go for?When did you have this conversation with not 1 but all 3 previous managers?All you need do is to give us a few facts to support your postIt was pretty well documented at the time of said managers leaving.Not to mention Paul dickovs comments too.I'm sorry, but sometimes I feel the need to play devil's advocate in order to bring balance to this forum.Some real blinkered opinions on here from people who think everything is rosey. I wonder how they would react if they were on the titanic when it was sinking?
Yet another thread about the board.Yet another thread that seems to think that managers leaving are the fault of the board. (It's not)Or players leaving who no longer wanted to play for the club. (It happens)They chose to appoint from within, the same thing we did the last time it happened. (with exceptional results) And yet it's this board that is keeping our club afloat during this pandemic. Isn't hindsight wonderful!
As we’re playing you on Monday thought I’d have a look here before the match. As a Gashead this thread is an interesting read, one I’d imagine that League 1 and 2 clubs are having all over the country as we get to the business end of the season.FWIW, we are having much the same debate at the moment with our owner and board getting criticised over almost everything this season. Yet by the same token he’s wiped off the debt, converted it all into share issue and built us a spanking new training facility, all whilst Covid is going on. Little income coming in yet major expenditure going out. Yet he still gets criticised because of the league position, understandably. We’ve had Paul Scally of Gillingham criticising us as a club publicly, three managers and are staring at League 2 next season. We got recruitment wrong in the summer and have a team that can’t score. 2nd lowest in League 1, having only scored two goals all season after the 70th minute so clubs know if they go ahead there’s little chance we’ll come back, we’re clearly not fit enough to play JBs high press kind of game. Our defenders gift goals like it’s Christmas yet for long periods yesterday we outplayed Ipswich but were already 2-0 down after 10 minutes. Too little too late. We’ve given away so many goals in the last 5 minutes. We’ve lost 5 on the trot but had decent goals disallowed against Swindon. We reckon our club is being penalised because referees don’t like Barton. Perfectly possible I suppose given that half of us don’t like him.We’re testimony to the fact that boards make errors but tbh no managerial appointment comes with a guarantee. Boards, like us fans make a leap of faith when appointing managers, and probably signing players as well, some they get right, some they get wrong. I’d say, as an outsider, your board has got more right than wrong and sits in the credit column when compared to many other League 1 and 2 clubs.Regarding loan signings, Tisdale didn’t like loans and went publicly on that saying why try and develop other clubs players. Whilst I kind of agree once he failed to get any loan strikers in January after failing to sign any permanent strikers it was almost an admission that we would be relegated given the fact that we had only two, possibly strikers. As JB is now finding out.In the end I guess I’d say that like anything else in football the views you have about players, managers and boards and owners is largely determined by your position in the league. Our owner gets away with it at the moment simply because without him we’d have been the first league team to go under in the pandemic despite what Paul Scally said.Anyway we’re hoping that with you dropping away we may get the win to reignite our season on Monday before the 6-pointer against Northampton on Saturday. Fingers crossed and good luck after Monday.UTG!
Quote from: Red wizard on April 03, 2021, 11:06:25 amHindsight is the best tool in the box. Even you must admit they have got this one wrong Martin.I don't doubt that Andy, but how were they to know?It worked before, handsomely.