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Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 29, 2021, 01:32:31 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 01:24:29 pmAdvisors advise, ministers decide.So Johnson needs an adviser to advise him whether he paid a bill himself?Who does he have to help him wipe his arse?No, Johnson has declared he paid the bill himself. All governments have had special advisers since Harold Wilson introduced them for LABOUR in 1964. Perhaps Johnson has to rely on them more now to assist in the constant accusations of sleaze from a lame opposition while he spends an unprecedented time on much more important issues like The pandemic and Brexit etc.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 01:24:29 pmAdvisors advise, ministers decide.So Johnson needs an adviser to advise him whether he paid a bill himself?Who does he have to help him wipe his arse?
Advisors advise, ministers decide.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on April 29, 2021, 01:28:15 pmAs a lover of English literature, that, Not, has made my day.Brilliant!
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 01:45:57 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 29, 2021, 01:32:31 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 01:24:29 pmAdvisors advise, ministers decide.So Johnson needs an adviser to advise him whether he paid a bill himself?Who does he have to help him wipe his arse?No, Johnson has declared he paid the bill himself. All governments have had special advisers since Harold Wilson introduced them for LABOUR in 1964. Perhaps Johnson has to rely on them more now to assist in the constant accusations of sleaze from a lame opposition while he spends an unprecedented time on much more important issues like The pandemic and Brexit etc.Not sure if you have not been paying attention, or you are deliberately dissembling here. Johnson has repeatedly refused to answer when asked who ORIGINALLY paid the bill. That is absolutely vital. Because if someone else did and Johnson didn't declare it, he has broken the ministerial code and should resign. No shades of grey whatsoever.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 29, 2021, 03:44:20 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 01:45:57 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 29, 2021, 01:32:31 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 01:24:29 pmAdvisors advise, ministers decide.So Johnson needs an adviser to advise him whether he paid a bill himself?Who does he have to help him wipe his arse?No, Johnson has declared he paid the bill himself. All governments have had special advisers since Harold Wilson introduced them for LABOUR in 1964. Perhaps Johnson has to rely on them more now to assist in the constant accusations of sleaze from a lame opposition while he spends an unprecedented time on much more important issues like The pandemic and Brexit etc.Not sure if you have not been paying attention, or you are deliberately dissembling here. Johnson has repeatedly refused to answer when asked who ORIGINALLY paid the bill. That is absolutely vital. Because if someone else did and Johnson didn't declare it, he has broken the ministerial code and should resign. No shades of grey whatsoever.If he has to resign so be it. Maybe he is reluctant to respond fully to this latest sleaze accusation because if he did Starmer would just move onto another bit of potential sleaze he can find. Like I keep correctly saying, and you keep failing to accept, Keir Starmer has got nothing to offer the country in terms of either personality or policy and his only route is to try to drag his opponents down below his own level to have any chance of becoming PM.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 04:02:58 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 29, 2021, 03:44:20 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 01:45:57 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 29, 2021, 01:32:31 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 01:24:29 pmAdvisors advise, ministers decide.So Johnson needs an adviser to advise him whether he paid a bill himself?Who does he have to help him wipe his arse?No, Johnson has declared he paid the bill himself. All governments have had special advisers since Harold Wilson introduced them for LABOUR in 1964. Perhaps Johnson has to rely on them more now to assist in the constant accusations of sleaze from a lame opposition while he spends an unprecedented time on much more important issues like The pandemic and Brexit etc.Not sure if you have not been paying attention, or you are deliberately dissembling here. Johnson has repeatedly refused to answer when asked who ORIGINALLY paid the bill. That is absolutely vital. Because if someone else did and Johnson didn't declare it, he has broken the ministerial code and should resign. No shades of grey whatsoever.If he has to resign so be it. Maybe he is reluctant to respond fully to this latest sleaze accusation because if he did Starmer would just move onto another bit of potential sleaze he can find. Like I keep correctly saying, and you keep failing to accept, Keir Starmer has got nothing to offer the country in terms of either personality or policy and his only route is to try to drag his opponents down below his own level to have any chance of becoming PM.Actually that's not quite right BB , Starmer is steering the party towards New Labour territory although it seems to have escaped his attention that New Labour were voted out over a decade ago and lost more votes in the former red wall than Thatcher threw on the scrapheap .Still it suits the vast majority that make up the present Labour Party because it means they don't have to compromise with the left .The only flaw of course is that they lose General Election's but don't genuinely appear to know why , they aren't too bright with referendums either .Still it fills the pages in The Guardian .
Nah, you would have unashamedly blamed Boris. I say unashamedly because that is historically how you have acted in your extreme bias against everything Tory over the last half a decade.
But surely, Not, had the program not worked, then you would have accused the government of lying about how good it would be? And in turn hold them responsible for the failure.
Hound.Really? I mean, REALLY? Do you honestly think that applies in this case? That is about political decisions. Choices of policy. This is about a question of whether Johnson has broken the Ministerial Code of Conduct. The Standards Adviser is being asked to investigate whether Johnson did or did not pay a bill himself. A matter of objective truth which Johnson already knows the answer to but refuses to say.Do you really think you're being clever making comments like that?
Quote from: belton rover on April 30, 2021, 08:00:00 amBut surely, Not, had the program not worked, then you would have accused the government of lying about how good it would be? And in turn hold them responsible for the failure.The main problem we are dealing with belton is that the government is such an easy target, constantly over promising and under performing. When you add the contempt johnson & many in his government have for non-conservatives is there any wonder that they are scorned. I would think that the majority of criticism they receive on here is supported by fact and valid.
Quote from: SydneyRover on April 30, 2021, 09:07:47 amQuote from: belton rover on April 30, 2021, 08:00:00 amBut surely, Not, had the program not worked, then you would have accused the government of lying about how good it would be? And in turn hold them responsible for the failure.The main problem we are dealing with belton is that the government is such an easy target, constantly over promising and under performing. When you add the contempt johnson & many in his government have for non-conservatives is there any wonder that they are scorned. I would think that the majority of criticism they receive on here is supported by fact and valid.The government being an easy target is exactly my point, which is why I’m so surprised that Not swears that he would not have blamed the government had the vaccine program gone tits up.That would have been another easy target for those who are constantly looking to shoot down an easy target.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 03:26:57 pmNah, you would have unashamedly blamed Boris. I say unashamedly because that is historically how you have acted in your extreme bias against everything Tory over the last half a decade. Calling me a liar then BB? The only reasons I'm critical of the current government are that they are the ones in power, who are lying to the country, have lied to the Queen, have lied in Parliament and who are openly practicing Cronyism - all of which you appear, by your supportive posts, to condone! For my part, I would be equally critical if Labour were in power and doing the same thing - or are you going to call me a liar again? Oh, and are you going to answer my previous question?
Quote from: tyke1962 on April 29, 2021, 07:10:47 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 04:02:58 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 29, 2021, 03:44:20 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 01:45:57 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 29, 2021, 01:32:31 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 01:24:29 pmAdvisors advise, ministers decide.So Johnson needs an adviser to advise him whether he paid a bill himself?Who does he have to help him wipe his arse?No, Johnson has declared he paid the bill himself. All governments have had special advisers since Harold Wilson introduced them for LABOUR in 1964. Perhaps Johnson has to rely on them more now to assist in the constant accusations of sleaze from a lame opposition while he spends an unprecedented time on much more important issues like The pandemic and Brexit etc.Not sure if you have not been paying attention, or you are deliberately dissembling here. Johnson has repeatedly refused to answer when asked who ORIGINALLY paid the bill. That is absolutely vital. Because if someone else did and Johnson didn't declare it, he has broken the ministerial code and should resign. No shades of grey whatsoever.If he has to resign so be it. Maybe he is reluctant to respond fully to this latest sleaze accusation because if he did Starmer would just move onto another bit of potential sleaze he can find. Like I keep correctly saying, and you keep failing to accept, Keir Starmer has got nothing to offer the country in terms of either personality or policy and his only route is to try to drag his opponents down below his own level to have any chance of becoming PM.Actually that's not quite right BB , Starmer is steering the party towards New Labour territory although it seems to have escaped his attention that New Labour were voted out over a decade ago and lost more votes in the former red wall than Thatcher threw on the scrapheap .Still it suits the vast majority that make up the present Labour Party because it means they don't have to compromise with the left .The only flaw of course is that they lose General Election's but don't genuinely appear to know why , they aren't too bright with referendums either .Still it fills the pages in The Guardian .New Labour were only able to be voted out because they were voted in in the first place. When was the last time the true left managed to do that?
Quote from: Not Now Kato on April 30, 2021, 06:56:33 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 03:26:57 pmNah, you would have unashamedly blamed Boris. I say unashamedly because that is historically how you have acted in your extreme bias against everything Tory over the last half a decade. Calling me a liar then BB? The only reasons I'm critical of the current government are that they are the ones in power, who are lying to the country, have lied to the Queen, have lied in Parliament and who are openly practicing Cronyism - all of which you appear, by your supportive posts, to condone! For my part, I would be equally critical if Labour were in power and doing the same thing - or are you going to call me a liar again? Oh, and are you going to answer my previous question? Not so much calling you a liar, more claiming your likelihood of sticking to a habit that you've had for the last half a decade - One that has blamed the government for absolutely everything negative that has occurred, and given them absolutely no credit for anything positive that has occurred. Simple really.Regarding Johnson allegedly skipping five Cobra meetings, apparently, there were Cobra meeting going on all over the place so whether he was expected to chair them all I don't know. You no doubt will be confident that you know the truth, having read lefty anti-government press coverage on the subject.
Johnson wasn't hiding or choosing wallpaper. He was having a few weeks off to sort out his divorce. That's why he didn't attend the COBRA meetings.
What frightens me is that the reality of the way the government is operating isn’t getting out to the wider public because of the biased and selective reporting of the Tory owned media, and the now Tory run BBC.I don’t think they are all stupid. Many are just uninformed.
Quote from: foxbat on April 30, 2021, 08:43:12 pmWhat frightens me is that the reality of the way the government is operating isn’t getting out to the wider public because of the biased and selective reporting of the Tory owned media, and the now Tory run BBC.I don’t think they are all stupid. Many are just uninformed.So it's nothing to do with Starmer and the Labour Party who are so completely deluded they'd send a Pro EU candidate up to Hartlepool to fight a by-election ?.Even more deluded they'd bring back a stained character in Mandelson to promote a New Labour reset because they are so short of ideas they have to go back to the back catalogue of 24 years ago .But it's the media ..... right ??? , or the electorate are thick maybe ?The Labour Party deserves everything it gets because most of it is self inflicted , something many within it fail to accept .Absolute cowards even with 13 years of power post Thatcher to change owt of significance for those who suffered the most under that woman .Now they want to go back to it and you expect the likes of me ex NUM and an former active trade union man post mining to vote for this b@llax .As much as Corbyn was a poor leader in many respects at least he offered real change , something the centre of this god forsaken Party plotted against every day during his tenure despite the fact the fellow won two leadership contests convincingly .And you want me to back this shyte ?I'd buy a season ticket at Hillsborough in league One whilst my club were in the PL before vote Labour .
Quote from: tyke1962 on April 30, 2021, 09:48:48 pmQuote from: foxbat on April 30, 2021, 08:43:12 pmWhat frightens me is that the reality of the way the government is operating isn’t getting out to the wider public because of the biased and selective reporting of the Tory owned media, and the now Tory run BBC.I don’t think they are all stupid. Many are just uninformed.So it's nothing to do with Starmer and the Labour Party who are so completely deluded they'd send a Pro EU candidate up to Hartlepool to fight a by-election ?.Even more deluded they'd bring back a stained character in Mandelson to promote a New Labour reset because they are so short of ideas they have to go back to the back catalogue of 24 years ago .But it's the media ..... right ??? , or the electorate are thick maybe ?The Labour Party deserves everything it gets because most of it is self inflicted , something many within it fail to accept .Absolute cowards even with 13 years of power post Thatcher to change owt of significance for those who suffered the most under that woman .Now they want to go back to it and you expect the likes of me ex NUM and an former active trade union man post mining to vote for this b@llax .As much as Corbyn was a poor leader in many respects at least he offered real change , something the centre of this god forsaken Party plotted against every day during his tenure despite the fact the fellow won two leadership contests convincingly .And you want me to back this shyte ?I'd buy a season ticket at Hillsborough in league One whilst my club were in the PL before vote Labour .Tyke, as I said before, it is posts like that one by foxbat that drive people away from voting Labour.