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Tyke you should know by now that hound will find a way to disparage anyone that has ever disagreed with him on any subject.Have you ever voted labour hound?The implication of this hackneyed line about 'people won't vote labour because' A,B,C,D,E,F ......is that with a better leader or under other circumstances etc that they may, could or would but in reality the majority trotting this old chestnut out would never vote labour and most likely never had. Which is why the 'have you ever voted labour' Hound question is important as it goes directly to whether it is a genuine conversation or not.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 30, 2021, 03:14:40 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on April 30, 2021, 06:56:33 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 03:26:57 pmNah, you would have unashamedly blamed Boris. I say unashamedly because that is historically how you have acted in your extreme bias against everything Tory over the last half a decade. Calling me a liar then BB? The only reasons I'm critical of the current government are that they are the ones in power, who are lying to the country, have lied to the Queen, have lied in Parliament and who are openly practicing Cronyism - all of which you appear, by your supportive posts, to condone! For my part, I would be equally critical if Labour were in power and doing the same thing - or are you going to call me a liar again? Oh, and are you going to answer my previous question? Not so much calling you a liar, more claiming your likelihood of sticking to a habit that you've had for the last half a decade - One that has blamed the government for absolutely everything negative that has occurred, and given them absolutely no credit for anything positive that has occurred. Simple really.Regarding Johnson allegedly skipping five Cobra meetings, apparently, there were Cobra meeting going on all over the place so whether he was expected to chair them all I don't know. You no doubt will be confident that you know the truth, having read lefty anti-government press coverage on the subject. So it's wrong to criticise the government for everything they get wrong? Really? But I have praised them for the things they got right, (speedy and plentiful acquisition of vaccine and the furlough scheme), it's just that they get far more wrong than they get right - but the blinkered somehow can't see that. As my Dad used to say 'there's none so blind as them who refuse to see!' Cobra meetings aren't held all over the place BB, they're held in the Cabinet Office Briefing Rooms, hence the name, (someone stuck an A on the end to make it sound good!). Attendance and the chair are normally determined by the subject being discussed and there is no 'formal' list of who should attend. However, The PM would normally attend for matters of national importance such as the pandemic. Perhaps he was hiding in a fridge again, or choosing wallpaper. It's nothing to do with lefty anti government press coverage, it's to do with matters of state of the utmost importance - unless you believe that the pandemic is really just a slightly exaggerated cold and a few hundred thousand deaths don't matter!
Quote from: Not Now Kato on April 30, 2021, 06:56:33 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 03:26:57 pmNah, you would have unashamedly blamed Boris. I say unashamedly because that is historically how you have acted in your extreme bias against everything Tory over the last half a decade. Calling me a liar then BB? The only reasons I'm critical of the current government are that they are the ones in power, who are lying to the country, have lied to the Queen, have lied in Parliament and who are openly practicing Cronyism - all of which you appear, by your supportive posts, to condone! For my part, I would be equally critical if Labour were in power and doing the same thing - or are you going to call me a liar again? Oh, and are you going to answer my previous question? Not so much calling you a liar, more claiming your likelihood of sticking to a habit that you've had for the last half a decade - One that has blamed the government for absolutely everything negative that has occurred, and given them absolutely no credit for anything positive that has occurred. Simple really.Regarding Johnson allegedly skipping five Cobra meetings, apparently, there were Cobra meeting going on all over the place so whether he was expected to chair them all I don't know. You no doubt will be confident that you know the truth, having read lefty anti-government press coverage on the subject.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 03:26:57 pmNah, you would have unashamedly blamed Boris. I say unashamedly because that is historically how you have acted in your extreme bias against everything Tory over the last half a decade. Calling me a liar then BB? The only reasons I'm critical of the current government are that they are the ones in power, who are lying to the country, have lied to the Queen, have lied in Parliament and who are openly practicing Cronyism - all of which you appear, by your supportive posts, to condone! For my part, I would be equally critical if Labour were in power and doing the same thing - or are you going to call me a liar again? Oh, and are you going to answer my previous question?
Nah, you would have unashamedly blamed Boris. I say unashamedly because that is historically how you have acted in your extreme bias against everything Tory over the last half a decade.
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 01, 2021, 12:09:57 amTyke you should know by now that hound will find a way to disparage anyone that has ever disagreed with him on any subject.Have you ever voted labour hound?The implication of this hackneyed line about 'people won't vote labour because' A,B,C,D,E,F ......is that with a better leader or under other circumstances etc that they may, could or would but in reality the majority trotting this old chestnut out would never vote labour and most likely never had. Which is why the 'have you ever voted labour' Hound question is important as it goes directly to whether it is a genuine conversation or not.SR, Question one, I don’t know how to answer that.If I say your statement isn’t true then you will say “I told you so”.However I will risk that, so no, it isn’t true.In fact it is a load of rubbish.I have even agreed with your leader on some things.Trawl back through my posts ( as you often do) and you will find plenty of evidence to back that up.Question two, yes I have. (Filo might even click the like button on that one too).Don’t bother asking me to have a conversation with you about this though.Edit. That post by Kato has backed up one of my previous points.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on April 30, 2021, 09:35:01 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 30, 2021, 03:14:40 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on April 30, 2021, 06:56:33 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 03:26:57 pmNah, you would have unashamedly blamed Boris. I say unashamedly because that is historically how you have acted in your extreme bias against everything Tory over the last half a decade. Calling me a liar then BB? The only reasons I'm critical of the current government are that they are the ones in power, who are lying to the country, have lied to the Queen, have lied in Parliament and who are openly practicing Cronyism - all of which you appear, by your supportive posts, to condone! For my part, I would be equally critical if Labour were in power and doing the same thing - or are you going to call me a liar again? Oh, and are you going to answer my previous question? Not so much calling you a liar, more claiming your likelihood of sticking to a habit that you've had for the last half a decade - One that has blamed the government for absolutely everything negative that has occurred, and given them absolutely no credit for anything positive that has occurred. Simple really.Regarding Johnson allegedly skipping five Cobra meetings, apparently, there were Cobra meeting going on all over the place so whether he was expected to chair them all I don't know. You no doubt will be confident that you know the truth, having read lefty anti-government press coverage on the subject. So it's wrong to criticise the government for everything they get wrong? Really? But I have praised them for the things they got right, (speedy and plentiful acquisition of vaccine and the furlough scheme), it's just that they get far more wrong than they get right - but the blinkered somehow can't see that. As my Dad used to say 'there's none so blind as them who refuse to see!' Cobra meetings aren't held all over the place BB, they're held in the Cabinet Office Briefing Rooms, hence the name, (someone stuck an A on the end to make it sound good!). Attendance and the chair are normally determined by the subject being discussed and there is no 'formal' list of who should attend. However, The PM would normally attend for matters of national importance such as the pandemic. Perhaps he was hiding in a fridge again, or choosing wallpaper. It's nothing to do with lefty anti government press coverage, it's to do with matters of state of the utmost importance - unless you believe that the pandemic is really just a slightly exaggerated cold and a few hundred thousand deaths don't matter!NNK, you obviously have a far more generous perception of your own integrity judging by your posts. You have, as have many Labour party supporters, an arrogance that is not unlike a typical L**ds United supporter, and that is quite possibly why both sets of supporters do an equal amount of harm towards attracting new support, especially from those of us who don't possess such arrogance. For instance, where have you seen the fact that Boris lied to the queen? Are you serious BB? Where on earth have you been. Johnson went to the Queen and told her, illegally, and lying, that he had to prorogue parliament. He was subsequently taken to court and lost!Where have you shown equal disdain for Starmer lying to the country? Starmer lied once, in parliament, he subsequently retraced what he'd said an apologised. So far as I'm aware, he has never lied to the country. Do you have evidence that he has - unlike your lover Johnson?The composition of any COBR meeting will depend on the situation being discussed. It will be a mixture of officials and agency personnel, alongside ministers, from relevant departments and agencies. The meetings are often chaired by the most senior minister in the room, and the prime minister if he or she is attending, but not always. It's COBRA, and isn't that what I already said? Or do you have difficulty reading? There are meetings across government, some of which are chaired by the Health Secretary, some which are chaired by other ministers. but the Prime Minister takes all the major decisions.Unlike a Cabinet meeting - where frontbenchers meet the prime minister - there is no rigid register for who should attend a Cobra meeting and not even Boris Johnson has to attend. Again, that what I already said? Or do you have difficulty reading?
Maybe the public have had enough''Tory poll lead slashed as key elections loom across BritainStories of Conservative sleaze appear to be having an impact as Keir Starmer faces his first electoral test as Labour leader on 6 May''https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/01/tory-poll-lead-slashed-as-key-elections-loom-across-britain
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 01, 2021, 10:59:42 pmMaybe the public have had enough''Tory poll lead slashed as key elections loom across BritainStories of Conservative sleaze appear to be having an impact as Keir Starmer faces his first electoral test as Labour leader on 6 May''https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/01/tory-poll-lead-slashed-as-key-elections-loom-across-britain
Yep, looks like your gonna win Sydney. Well done.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 01, 2021, 09:31:15 amQuote from: Not Now Kato on April 30, 2021, 09:35:01 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 30, 2021, 03:14:40 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on April 30, 2021, 06:56:33 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 29, 2021, 03:26:57 pmNah, you would have unashamedly blamed Boris. I say unashamedly because that is historically how you have acted in your extreme bias against everything Tory over the last half a decade. Calling me a liar then BB? The only reasons I'm critical of the current government are that they are the ones in power, who are lying to the country, have lied to the Queen, have lied in Parliament and who are openly practicing Cronyism - all of which you appear, by your supportive posts, to condone! For my part, I would be equally critical if Labour were in power and doing the same thing - or are you going to call me a liar again? Oh, and are you going to answer my previous question? Not so much calling you a liar, more claiming your likelihood of sticking to a habit that you've had for the last half a decade - One that has blamed the government for absolutely everything negative that has occurred, and given them absolutely no credit for anything positive that has occurred. Simple really.Regarding Johnson allegedly skipping five Cobra meetings, apparently, there were Cobra meeting going on all over the place so whether he was expected to chair them all I don't know. You no doubt will be confident that you know the truth, having read lefty anti-government press coverage on the subject. So it's wrong to criticise the government for everything they get wrong? Really? But I have praised them for the things they got right, (speedy and plentiful acquisition of vaccine and the furlough scheme), it's just that they get far more wrong than they get right - but the blinkered somehow can't see that. As my Dad used to say 'there's none so blind as them who refuse to see!' Cobra meetings aren't held all over the place BB, they're held in the Cabinet Office Briefing Rooms, hence the name, (someone stuck an A on the end to make it sound good!). Attendance and the chair are normally determined by the subject being discussed and there is no 'formal' list of who should attend. However, The PM would normally attend for matters of national importance such as the pandemic. Perhaps he was hiding in a fridge again, or choosing wallpaper. It's nothing to do with lefty anti government press coverage, it's to do with matters of state of the utmost importance - unless you believe that the pandemic is really just a slightly exaggerated cold and a few hundred thousand deaths don't matter!NNK, you obviously have a far more generous perception of your own integrity judging by your posts. You have, as have many Labour party supporters, an arrogance that is not unlike a typical L**ds United supporter, and that is quite possibly why both sets of supporters do an equal amount of harm towards attracting new support, especially from those of us who don't possess such arrogance. For instance, where have you seen the fact that Boris lied to the queen? Are you serious BB? Where on earth have you been. Johnson went to the Queen and told her, illegally, and lying, that he had to prorogue parliament. He was subsequently taken to court and lost!Where have you shown equal disdain for Starmer lying to the country? Starmer lied once, in parliament, he subsequently retraced what he'd said an apologised. So far as I'm aware, he has never lied to the country. Do you have evidence that he has - unlike your lover Johnson?The composition of any COBR meeting will depend on the situation being discussed. It will be a mixture of officials and agency personnel, alongside ministers, from relevant departments and agencies. The meetings are often chaired by the most senior minister in the room, and the prime minister if he or she is attending, but not always. It's COBRA, and isn't that what I already said? Or do you have difficulty reading? There are meetings across government, some of which are chaired by the Health Secretary, some which are chaired by other ministers. but the Prime Minister takes all the major decisions.Unlike a Cabinet meeting - where frontbenchers meet the prime minister - there is no rigid register for who should attend a Cobra meeting and not even Boris Johnson has to attend. Again, that what I already said? Or do you have difficulty reading? You really have problems BB, I recommend you see someone about it, seriously!
In a crowded field, this stands out head and shoulders as the worst thing Kuenssberg has ever written.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56624437.ampHow can you write an article on whether Johnson lies without mentioning the fact that he has twice been sacked for lying?Or mentioning his lies over the NI situation post-Brexit?Or mentioning the list of his proven lies, collated by right wing journalist Peter Oborne? Or mentioning the fact that he kick started his career by regularly writing lies about bent bananas and EU condoms?Or mentioning his string of marital infidelities and that fact that he won't even admit how many illegitimate kids he has?Or mentioning the fact that he looked solemnly at the British public and said "we truly did all we could" to prevent COVID deaths, when we know that he overruled SAGE advice on lockdown.Nope. None of that. Just quotes from Tory MPs. And this, which might be the most craven, abhorrent line I've ever seen from a political journalist. "What's suggested time and again is that the prime minister's attitude to the truth and facts is not based on what is real and what is not, but is driven by what he wants to achieve in that moment - what he desires, rather than what he believes. And there is no question, that approach, coupled with an intense force of personality can be enormously effective.In his political career, Boris Johnson has time and again overturned the odds, and that's a huge part of the reason why."She's there. In black and shite. Pumping a line that says "It doesn't matter if the PM is a habitual liar. It works. He wins doing it."
Why is that Ldr? What Labour policies do you so despise that you'd prefer a habitual liar as PM to them?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 02, 2021, 02:11:04 pmWhy is that Ldr? What Labour policies do you so despise that you'd prefer a habitual liar as PM to them?Personalities rather than policies BST
So it now transpires that Johnson, who can't afford to makes ends meet on £157k a year, has had a Tory donor pay for his sprog's nanny.I thought the Tory line was that you shouldn't have kids if you can't afford them?