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It wasn’t great. In the context of England vs Scotland, a draw is certainly a better result for Scotland than it is England. In the context of the tournament a draw is a better result for England than it is Scotland. As a game it will please two groups of people - Scotland fans, and the not insignificant number of England fans that like nothing more than doing their own team down. The rest of us can hopefully move on.
Poor last night. No penetration or movement, Scotland were up for it and harried and we didn't seem bothered about breaking them down. Last 25 minutes I think we settled for the draw. I appreciate we don't want to peak to early and go hell for leather at this stage but it would surely be better to get the win last night and go to the Czech game already through so we can rest a few legs.
Quote from: MachoMadness on June 19, 2021, 01:59:35 pmPoor last night. No penetration or movement, Scotland were up for it and harried and we didn't seem bothered about breaking them down. Last 25 minutes I think we settled for the draw. I appreciate we don't want to peak to early and go hell for leather at this stage but it would surely be better to get the win last night and go to the Czech game already through so we can rest a few legs.sounds like Janso "in bed with his missus"
Just watched Portugal v Germany first half. I hope England team are watching how to move forward with the ball and create chances.
Quote from: goalkick on June 19, 2021, 05:52:40 pmJust watched Portugal v Germany first half. I hope England team are watching how to move forward with the ball and create chances.Also sat thinking a draw Tuesday to finish second is a great result to avoid either of these 2
Alan.My point is, after every misfire in every tournament throughout my life, the line has been "if only the manager was better". When in reality, the core problem has been that our players are nowhere near as good as we hype them up to be.
And there you have it RA wonderful players for their team where they have world class players surrounding them. Does that bring out the best in them or are they just average players made to look better?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 20, 2021, 06:44:33 pmAlan.My point is, after every misfire in every tournament throughout my life, the line has been "if only the manager was better". When in reality, the core problem has been that our players are nowhere near as good as we hype them up to be. These are very good players though. Kane has just won another golden boot and registered the most assists in the Prem, he's world class. Sterling has been excellent (by and large) for a wonderful Man City team, as has John Stones. Mason Mount is a key creative piece for the current Champions League holders. Jadon Sancho is tearing the Bundesliga apart. Jordan Henderson is captain of the best Liverpool side for 30+ years.I like Southgate but you can't say we don't have a top squad. Many neutrals have said ours is up there with the very best alongside France and Italy. Maybe what you're saying was true when Bobby Robson or Fabio Capello was in charge but it is clear Southgate is not a world class manager. I think he suits this England team and I hope he proves the doubters wrong as this tournament goes on but your point doesn't allow for the nuance of the present day and Alan is right, the previous incarnations of England over many decades is irrelevant to Euro 2020 and this England team.
Alan.My point is, after every misfire in every tournament throughout my life, the line has been "if only the manager was better". When in reality, the core problem has been that our players are nowhere near as good as we hype them up to be.
Quote from: ravenrover on June 20, 2021, 07:19:50 pmAnd there you have it RA wonderful players for their team where they have world class players surrounding them. Does that bring out the best in them or are they just average players made to look better?Kane plays for Tottenham though, if anything it’s him that makes other Tottenham players look better. Players like foden, grealish, Kane, mount, are up with the top top players in the premiership.
Quote from: dickos1 on June 20, 2021, 07:23:36 pmQuote from: ravenrover on June 20, 2021, 07:19:50 pmAnd there you have it RA wonderful players for their team where they have world class players surrounding them. Does that bring out the best in them or are they just average players made to look better?Kane plays for Tottenham though, if anything it’s him that makes other Tottenham players look better. Players like foden, grealish, Kane, mount, are up with the top top players in the premiership. If they are that good how come the rest of top teams in UK and Europe arren't in a bidding war for them? If Kane goes to Citeh he will score 30+ goals a season with the chances they create but could he do it elsewhere? For me they are top class English players but that doesn't say a great deal compared to world talent JMHO