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Sedwards.My point was that the players we are talking about have weeks and months and years to be honed into specific roles at their clubs, where they know intimately both their own role and the overall team style.Then they are asked to squeeze into an unfamiliar formation or playing style, with unfamiliar teammates. I'm not doubting the players' ability to be as good as anyone in the world when they are moulded into a team over time. I'm questioning their ability to adapt when in unfamiliar circumstances.Ask yourself. When was the last time you saw England play a tournament and consistently look as much as the sum of its parts?I'm genuinely struggling to think. 1996 perhaps? 1982?
I tend to agree with BST on this one. For some reason, other countries seem to produce endless players with natural technical ability at world level whereas we produce them now and again.Since Bobby Charlton, I can only think of Trevor Francis, Glen Hoddle, Paul Gascoigne, Matt Le Tissier, Wayne Rooney, and maybe Phil Foden and Jack Grealish.I'm sure there are others I haven't mentioned, but not that many.
Quote from: scawsby steve on June 21, 2021, 08:11:47 pmI tend to agree with BST on this one. For some reason, other countries seem to produce endless players with natural technical ability at world level whereas we produce them now and again.Since Bobby Charlton, I can only think of Trevor Francis, Glen Hoddle, Paul Gascoigne, Matt Le Tissier, Wayne Rooney, and maybe Phil Foden and Jack Grealish.I'm sure there are others I haven't mentioned, but not that many.We had plenty of players with ability back in the 70’s but they were classed as Mavericks who lived upto their playboy images and probably never realised their potential. Culture and lifestyle play a massive part too.
Quote from: DearneValleyRover on June 21, 2021, 08:27:33 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on June 21, 2021, 08:11:47 pmI tend to agree with BST on this one. For some reason, other countries seem to produce endless players with natural technical ability at world level whereas we produce them now and again.Since Bobby Charlton, I can only think of Trevor Francis, Glen Hoddle, Paul Gascoigne, Matt Le Tissier, Wayne Rooney, and maybe Phil Foden and Jack Grealish.I'm sure there are others I haven't mentioned, but not that many.We had plenty of players with ability back in the 70’s but they were classed as Mavericks who lived upto their playboy images and probably never realised their potential. Culture and lifestyle play a massive part too.Rodney Marsh and Stan Bowles, maybe?
How? I'm baffled and can't find an explanation
1990 we did.
Quote from: Nudga on June 21, 2021, 10:14:34 pmHow? I'm baffled and can't find an explanation Because 4 of the 3rd placed teams qualify, and there’s already 2 leagues where the 3rd place have finished on 3 points
Quote from: Chris Black come back on June 21, 2021, 07:46:29 pm1990 we did.agree.
Quote from: DRCraig on June 21, 2021, 10:19:56 pmQuote from: Chris Black come back on June 21, 2021, 07:46:29 pm1990 we did.agree.We really only had one performance in 1990 where an excellent group of players really gelled and that was the semi against West Germany.We were awful vs Ireland. Did reasonably well vs Holland. Laboured against Egypt and a not particularly strong Belgium, then very nearly ballsed it up vs Cameroon. With that run of matches and a squad including Shilton, Walker, Pearce, Gascoigne, Barnes, Waddle, Lineker and Beardsley, a run to the semis was no more than par and we made very hard work of it.1982 stands out for me as the only time we really gelled as a side and but for the injuries to Keegan and Brooking, I think we could well have won the cup that year.
Quote from: dickos1 on June 21, 2021, 10:16:47 pmQuote from: Nudga on June 21, 2021, 10:14:34 pmHow? I'm baffled and can't find an explanation Because 4 of the 3rd placed teams qualify, and there’s already 2 leagues where the 3rd place have finished on 3 points f**kin shite rule.Pissing about with the competition to make sure the big names are in the hat again.This is the European super league f**kfest at international level.Takes the romance, the nail biting finish and drama out of game.w**kers!!
It's all mentality. England have never managed to play as a team, closest recently was euro 96 . The clip of grealish and henderson bullying foden highlights it. It wasn't banter . If your taking the piss out of someone, Infront of them, without looking at them , ignoring them and not joking WITH them, then that's bullying. I feel the England team need more/ better mental coaches. It should really be part of their training from a young age . They are huge rivals at their clubs, and need to get past that to gel as a team for England. They are very weak mentally .
Quote from: Redandwhite on June 22, 2021, 07:17:50 amIt's all mentality. England have never managed to play as a team, closest recently was euro 96 . The clip of grealish and henderson bullying foden highlights it. It wasn't banter . If your taking the piss out of someone, Infront of them, without looking at them , ignoring them and not joking WITH them, then that's bullying. I feel the England team need more/ better mental coaches. It should really be part of their training from a young age . They are huge rivals at their clubs, and need to get past that to gel as a team for England. They are very weak mentally . As I said, if you think that’s bullying then there’s thousands of cases at football clubs on a daily basis. And millions of workplaces across the country will also have the same banter.
Quote from: dickos1 on June 22, 2021, 10:04:03 amQuote from: Redandwhite on June 22, 2021, 07:17:50 amIt's all mentality. England have never managed to play as a team, closest recently was euro 96 . The clip of grealish and henderson bullying foden highlights it. It wasn't banter . If your taking the piss out of someone, Infront of them, without looking at them , ignoring them and not joking WITH them, then that's bullying. I feel the England team need more/ better mental coaches. It should really be part of their training from a young age . They are huge rivals at their clubs, and need to get past that to gel as a team for England. They are very weak mentally . As I said, if you think that’s bullying then there’s thousands of cases at football clubs on a daily basis. And millions of workplaces across the country will also have the same banter.It depends on the circumstances, and how the person feels . Bullying lasts a long time . It needs cracking down on. Grealish is obviously mentally weak, and resentful of fodens achievements at a young age . Foden probably doesn't like grealish and Henderson now . Hardly a great team spirit there I will say this though, if that's your attitude, then your part of the problem .