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Maguire showed how to take a Penalty, hard and high, no poncing about
The Rashford penalty was very high risk but almost worked. Aim is to get keeper to give an indication of which way he is going, then place in other corner at last minute. He sent him wrong way but didn’t put it into what was effectively an empty net. It happens.
Rashford probably scores that most times, unfortunate but it happens, not many score every penalty. It came down to England missing 3, Italy missing 2. It wasn't just one person, shows how tough it is.
I hate the whole concept of penalty shoot outs. They absolutely are lotteries and they say nothing whatsoever about the relative merits of the "winners" and "losers".[1] I get that there is a need to have some form of elimination required. But losing a final on penalties is as close to meaningless as you can get. The idea that we should be overjoyed if we won a final shoot out and suicidal if we lost is just ridiculous. It doesn't mean anything.England put in an excellent performance throughout the tournament. They met a better, much more experienced side yesterday but defended in a superbly disciplined and organised way. The two sides neutralised each other and any rational outcome would be a sharing of the laurels. They fact that one side won a lottery is absolutely irrelevant to anything other than those who see the world in the binary landscape of winners and losers.[1] The line that you sometimes hear, that it's a test of nerve and good players do better than poor ones is b*llocks. Look at the list of truly top quality non-English players who have missed penalties in Euro or WC shootouts. This emphasises what a lottery it is, and how little it is truly a test of football ability.Uli HoenessFulvio CollovatiPreben ElkjaerMarco van BastenFernando HierroClarence SeedorfFrank deBoerRonald deBoerJaap StamPaolo MaldiniFranco BaresiDiego MaradonaRoberto BaggioSocratesBixente LizarazuDidier SixDragan StojkovicRoberto DonandoniRui CostaHernan CrespoAndrei ShevchenkoEmmanuel PetitKokeLuka ModricIvan RakiticDavid TrezuguetDaniele DeRossiThomas MullerBastian SchweinsteigerKylian MbappeSergio BusquetsLeonard BonucciXabi AlonsoPhillip CocuZlatan Ibrahimovic
I’d go a bit further and say that it’s criminal that a young talent like Rashford who should be one of the first names on the team sheet has gone so far of the boil as to now be third or fourth choice.A cynic would say that his gradual loss of form has coincided with his increased public involvement with all things none football, has he allowed outside influences to affect his form and if so where was the man management to prevent and avoid this.In the past many great and revered footballers carried out as much if not more charity work mostly under the radar.Is it a sign of the times and social media pressure to blame or just a case of a young well meaning lad getting drawn into too many outside influences?
Quote from: danumdon on July 12, 2021, 12:46:03 pmI’d go a bit further and say that it’s criminal that a young talent like Rashford who should be one of the first names on the team sheet has gone so far of the boil as to now be third or fourth choice.A cynic would say that his gradual loss of form has coincided with his increased public involvement with all things none football, has he allowed outside influences to affect his form and if so where was the man management to prevent and avoid this.In the past many great and revered footballers carried out as much if not more charity work mostly under the radar.Is it a sign of the times and social media pressure to blame or just a case of a young well meaning lad getting drawn into too many outside influences?Should Rovers be stopping all players doing community work now if that's the case? School vists, local charities, working with local youth clubs, The Belles etc.Or is it just people who campaign on highlighting poverty in the UK you have a problem with?
Quote from: wilts rover on July 12, 2021, 01:02:08 pmQuote from: danumdon on July 12, 2021, 12:46:03 pmI’d go a bit further and say that it’s criminal that a young talent like Rashford who should be one of the first names on the team sheet has gone so far of the boil as to now be third or fourth choice.A cynic would say that his gradual loss of form has coincided with his increased public involvement with all things none football, has he allowed outside influences to affect his form and if so where was the man management to prevent and avoid this.In the past many great and revered footballers carried out as much if not more charity work mostly under the radar.Is it a sign of the times and social media pressure to blame or just a case of a young well meaning lad getting drawn into too many outside influences?Should Rovers be stopping all players doing community work now if that's the case? School vists, local charities, working with local youth clubs, The Belles etc.Or is it just people who campaign on highlighting poverty in the UK you have a problem with?Typical snowflake answer, straight on the defensive when there’s no need.I have no issue with charity work be it highlighting poverty or any other well meaning cause for anyone who needs it, indeed I encourage it.What I do have an issue with is when people purposely confuse or agitate to make a point where one does not exist.I made the point that this individual has had a gradual loss of form from his previous high standards and queried if his outside interests had played a part,You took the opportunity to try to make a political point, badly.
Quote from: sha66y on July 12, 2021, 07:02:16 amIf you are prepared to accept abject failure and be happy with not winning then you are seriously conditioned to loss acceptance!We scored early from a great move, we attacked with a great determination for about 25-30 more mins…….and then we stopped!We conceded ground happy to break up and nullify the Italians, and clinging onto that word “ hope” ….we hoped they would run out of steam, they didn’t….we hoped our attacks would frighten them, they didn’t, we hoped to be able to hang on for a well earned yet uninspiring victory, we didn’t…The Manager had enough diamonds to make a necklace, yet offered up a pair of earrings, I don’t care about all the “ look at the Positives” …they truly pale into insignificance when you accept loss so easily….We had the best opportunity to attack with some of the finest young talents going hell for leather…and I wouldn’t of minded if we’d lost, because we would have played to our strength…..instead we lost by being the second best team who didn’t defend good enough…….. the manager must shoulder all of the blame for not reacting to Mancini’s game changing tactics…Forgettable, utterly forgettable!! Again a lot of nonsense in here, Our strength throughout the tournament has been the defence, the best in the tournament in fact so we did play to our strengths. Even last night we defended outstanding Pickford had one save to make and he made it but it came off the post for them to tap in. All this rubbish about all the good attacking players we have, people are forgetting that for years we’ve played all our best attacking players and shoe horned them into a side and all we got was abject failure. Southgate has transformed the national side that is obvious, the last major tournament before him we got knocked out by Iceland. Look How far we’ve come, enjoy the ride instead of looking for things to moan about all the time that aren’t there
If you are prepared to accept abject failure and be happy with not winning then you are seriously conditioned to loss acceptance!We scored early from a great move, we attacked with a great determination for about 25-30 more mins…….and then we stopped!We conceded ground happy to break up and nullify the Italians, and clinging onto that word “ hope” ….we hoped they would run out of steam, they didn’t….we hoped our attacks would frighten them, they didn’t, we hoped to be able to hang on for a well earned yet uninspiring victory, we didn’t…The Manager had enough diamonds to make a necklace, yet offered up a pair of earrings, I don’t care about all the “ look at the Positives” …they truly pale into insignificance when you accept loss so easily….We had the best opportunity to attack with some of the finest young talents going hell for leather…and I wouldn’t of minded if we’d lost, because we would have played to our strength…..instead we lost by being the second best team who didn’t defend good enough…….. the manager must shoulder all of the blame for not reacting to Mancini’s game changing tactics…Forgettable, utterly forgettable!!
Quote from: danumdon on July 12, 2021, 01:15:32 pmQuote from: wilts rover on July 12, 2021, 01:02:08 pmQuote from: danumdon on July 12, 2021, 12:46:03 pmI’d go a bit further and say that it’s criminal that a young talent like Rashford who should be one of the first names on the team sheet has gone so far of the boil as to now be third or fourth choice.A cynic would say that his gradual loss of form has coincided with his increased public involvement with all things none football, has he allowed outside influences to affect his form and if so where was the man management to prevent and avoid this.In the past many great and revered footballers carried out as much if not more charity work mostly under the radar.Is it a sign of the times and social media pressure to blame or just a case of a young well meaning lad getting drawn into too many outside influences?Should Rovers be stopping all players doing community work now if that's the case? School vists, local charities, working with local youth clubs, The Belles etc.Or is it just people who campaign on highlighting poverty in the UK you have a problem with?Typical snowflake answer, straight on the defensive when there’s no need.I have no issue with charity work be it highlighting poverty or any other well meaning cause for anyone who needs it, indeed I encourage it.What I do have an issue with is when people purposely confuse or agitate to make a point where one does not exist.I made the point that this individual has had a gradual loss of form from his previous high standards and queried if his outside interests had played a part,You took the opportunity to try to make a political point, badly.Behave. You brought up his off-field work, someone mildly disagrees with you and you fly off the handle and start calling names. Who's the snowflake again?How the f**k does Rashford's charity work affect whether that penalty goes in last night?
31 million viewed last nights game. The single biggest uk tv audience since Diana%u2019s funeral A Question parents up and down the country would have been asked last night. Child: Daddy, why are they taking their medals off when they have just been given them?Daddy: erm%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026And I know why as I%u2019m sure many on here will. But what sort of example is this to set children . That it%u2019s not ok to come second or lose? Professional arrogance or petulance?
Quote from: drfchound on July 12, 2021, 09:13:40 am“We should have brought Rashford and Sakka on earlier”…….We took off Walker and put Rashford to RB.Would we have even got to the pens if we had done that ten minutes earlier?I doubt it very much.Rashford was brought on for the pens, if Southgate had a plan B he might have brought him on in a more natural position, it appears Southgates plan B was penalties. For me Rashford needs a kick up the arse at club level and national level, I’d leave him out of the next squad, far too laid back for me
“We should have brought Rashford and Sakka on earlier”…….We took off Walker and put Rashford to RB.Would we have even got to the pens if we had done that ten minutes earlier?I doubt it very much.
Quote from: dickos1 on July 12, 2021, 10:20:25 amQuote from: sha66y on July 12, 2021, 07:02:16 amIf you are prepared to accept abject failure and be happy with not winning then you are seriously conditioned to loss acceptance!We scored early from a great move, we attacked with a great determination for about 25-30 more mins…….and then we stopped!We conceded ground happy to break up and nullify the Italians, and clinging onto that word “ hope” ….we hoped they would run out of steam, they didn’t….we hoped our attacks would frighten them, they didn’t, we hoped to be able to hang on for a well earned yet uninspiring victory, we didn’t…The Manager had enough diamonds to make a necklace, yet offered up a pair of earrings, I don’t care about all the “ look at the Positives” …they truly pale into insignificance when you accept loss so easily….We had the best opportunity to attack with some of the finest young talents going hell for leather…and I wouldn’t of minded if we’d lost, because we would have played to our strength…..instead we lost by being the second best team who didn’t defend good enough…….. the manager must shoulder all of the blame for not reacting to Mancini’s game changing tactics…Forgettable, utterly forgettable!! Again a lot of nonsense in here, Our strength throughout the tournament has been the defence, the best in the tournament in fact so we did play to our strengths. Even last night we defended outstanding Pickford had one save to make and he made it but it came off the post for them to tap in. All this rubbish about all the good attacking players we have, people are forgetting that for years we’ve played all our best attacking players and shoe horned them into a side and all we got was abject failure. Southgate has transformed the national side that is obvious, the last major tournament before him we got knocked out by Iceland. Look How far we’ve come, enjoy the ride instead of looking for things to moan about all the time that aren’t there Are you a complete fcuktard?At what point have you actually read and understood what I just said, the only time I have mentioned the defense was referring to not being able to defend good enough last night!Now you either can read but have a low attention span or you get another tard to read for you....cmon Dickos, comment after reading and don’t assume I’m actually talking about anything you want to get off your chest..
Still seeing people criticising Kalvin Phillips, I have to say I’m amazed. Maybe people watch the games with a preconception, but I feel he’s been outstanding. Sensible with the ball and an absolutely incredible work rate off it. With the benefit of being at the game and seeing the whole pitch yesterday, he just never stops. He’s first to break the lines and press, and first to drop in and cover when the full backs bomb on or the centre halves step out with the ball. The disrespect and lack of appreciation he’s shown in some quarters is just crazy. I also thought Declan Rice was superb while he was on yesterday. We’ve lots of young players that can come away from this tournament feeling very proud of what they’ve achieved. More to come from this England team.
Quote from: MachoMadness on July 12, 2021, 01:42:30 pmQuote from: danumdon on July 12, 2021, 01:15:32 pmQuote from: wilts rover on July 12, 2021, 01:02:08 pmQuote from: danumdon on July 12, 2021, 12:46:03 pmI’d go a bit further and say that it’s criminal that a young talent like Rashford who should be one of the first names on the team sheet has gone so far of the boil as to now be third or fourth choice.A cynic would say that his gradual loss of form has coincided with his increased public involvement with all things none football, has he allowed outside influences to affect his form and if so where was the man management to prevent and avoid this.In the past many great and revered footballers carried out as much if not more charity work mostly under the radar.Is it a sign of the times and social media pressure to blame or just a case of a young well meaning lad getting drawn into too many outside influences?Should Rovers be stopping all players doing community work now if that's the case? School vists, local charities, working with local youth clubs, The Belles etc.Or is it just people who campaign on highlighting poverty in the UK you have a problem with?Typical snowflake answer, straight on the defensive when there’s no need.I have no issue with charity work be it highlighting poverty or any other well meaning cause for anyone who needs it, indeed I encourage it.What I do have an issue with is when people purposely confuse or agitate to make a point where one does not exist.I made the point that this individual has had a gradual loss of form from his previous high standards and queried if his outside interests had played a part,You took the opportunity to try to make a political point, badly.Behave. You brought up his off-field work, someone mildly disagrees with you and you fly off the handle and start calling names. Who's the snowflake again?How the f**k does Rashford's charity work affect whether that penalty goes in last night?You basically fell into the same trap as the previous bloke, I never mentioned anything about Rashfords penalty taking skills, i asked why somebody who should of been firing on all cylinders and in the original team has had this fall from grace, if he had played as we expect he can the match would never have got to penalty's in the first place.i just asked who was advising him and what support he gets, if Ferguson had still been manager would he of allowed a player on mega wages from the club to be distracted from his paid work?Why do you people get so agitated and make two and two come to five?
I’ll add that being in that atmosphere was the most amazing thing. I’ll never ever forget it.
Quote from: Jonathan on July 12, 2021, 03:28:32 pmI’ll add that being in that atmosphere was the most amazing thing. I’ll never ever forget it. I was there too mateIncredible wasn’t it