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Quote from: Surrey Rover on September 06, 2021, 12:43:25 pmQuote from: GazLaz on September 06, 2021, 12:38:21 pmQuote from: DRNaith on September 06, 2021, 12:30:55 pmQuote from: GazLaz on September 06, 2021, 12:18:19 pmHanding two years out to a panic signing when there was no money in the pot a week ago doesn’t scream of joins up thinking with a happy ending does it. That's not the context though, is it? We had a plan, that didn't work out, so now got to get something else sorted.Signing players from the smallest pool of players ever available is madness. Not impossible that you pick a good one up but it’s more by luck than judgement. GazGiven your overwhelming knowledge of the game if we go back to before the window closed just who do you think we should have:a) Signed?b) Been prepared to pay?Harrison on loan from Pompey would have been a pretty good starting point. You can’t alway sign who you want admittedly.
Quote from: GazLaz on September 06, 2021, 12:38:21 pmQuote from: DRNaith on September 06, 2021, 12:30:55 pmQuote from: GazLaz on September 06, 2021, 12:18:19 pmHanding two years out to a panic signing when there was no money in the pot a week ago doesn’t scream of joins up thinking with a happy ending does it. That's not the context though, is it? We had a plan, that didn't work out, so now got to get something else sorted.Signing players from the smallest pool of players ever available is madness. Not impossible that you pick a good one up but it’s more by luck than judgement. GazGiven your overwhelming knowledge of the game if we go back to before the window closed just who do you think we should have:a) Signed?b) Been prepared to pay?
Quote from: DRNaith on September 06, 2021, 12:30:55 pmQuote from: GazLaz on September 06, 2021, 12:18:19 pmHanding two years out to a panic signing when there was no money in the pot a week ago doesn’t scream of joins up thinking with a happy ending does it. That's not the context though, is it? We had a plan, that didn't work out, so now got to get something else sorted.Signing players from the smallest pool of players ever available is madness. Not impossible that you pick a good one up but it’s more by luck than judgement.
Quote from: GazLaz on September 06, 2021, 12:18:19 pmHanding two years out to a panic signing when there was no money in the pot a week ago doesn’t scream of joins up thinking with a happy ending does it. That's not the context though, is it? We had a plan, that didn't work out, so now got to get something else sorted.
Handing two years out to a panic signing when there was no money in the pot a week ago doesn’t scream of joins up thinking with a happy ending does it.
Just to add, I’m not knocking the lad at all. It could have been worse. It’s the processes behind the signing that are the bigger issue. Best of luck to him.
Realistically it's not bad signing under the circumstances but like Gaz has stated previously in other threads we need to get smarter with our recruitment. Brentford's moneyball philosophy is something we seriously need to be looking at, I appreciate it's easier said than done but it's a good model for a club like ours even if it's on a smaller scale.
Quote from: GazLaz on September 06, 2021, 01:19:34 pmJust to add, I’m not knocking the lad at all. It could have been worse. It’s the processes behind the signing that are the bigger issue. Best of luck to him. I think its no coincidence our recruitment has been poor since we started employing 'talent identification managers' personally
Quote from: jamesrover17 on September 06, 2021, 01:21:58 pmQuote from: GazLaz on September 06, 2021, 01:19:34 pmJust to add, I’m not knocking the lad at all. It could have been worse. It’s the processes behind the signing that are the bigger issue. Best of luck to him. I think its no coincidence our recruitment has been poor since we started employing 'talent identification managers' personallyI'd agree with that.When the previous TIM was here he used to bang on about working four or five windows ahead and have several players for each position. Well fat lot of good its done us.Anyone know how they Id the talent? Is it all stats based or do they tap into a network of scouts or just use the internet like the rest of us?. Whatever method they use it seems old skool fergie was much better (even he signed some real stinkers tho to be fair).
Desperate times force desperate signings. Only time will tell but got to look at his past few seasons!! poor
Quote from: jamesrover17 on September 06, 2021, 01:21:58 pmQuote from: GazLaz on September 06, 2021, 01:19:34 pmJust to add, I’m not knocking the lad at all. It could have been worse. It’s the processes behind the signing that are the bigger issue. Best of luck to him. I think its no coincidence our recruitment has been poor since we started employing 'talent identification managers' personallyTotally agree James, it must be one of the easiest jobs in football, going around different grounds/matches “talent spotting “
All we can do is support him now as we did with Bogle until he decided to stop trying.If Wigan did offer him a contract that's hopefully a good sign
Quote from: godlike1 on September 06, 2021, 02:22:21 pmAll we can do is support him now as we did with Bogle until he decided to stop trying.If Wigan did offer him a contract that's hopefully a good sign https://www.wiganhub.co.uk/2021/05/27/wigan-athletic-offer-new-contracts-to-nine-first-team-players/
Quote from: Metalmicky on September 06, 2021, 02:27:11 pmQuote from: godlike1 on September 06, 2021, 02:22:21 pmAll we can do is support him now as we did with Bogle until he decided to stop trying.If Wigan did offer him a contract that's hopefully a good sign https://www.wiganhub.co.uk/2021/05/27/wigan-athletic-offer-new-contracts-to-nine-first-team-players/Notice they didn’t offer Gardner a contract, how long did he sign on for us?