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Quote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:46:24 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on September 11, 2021, 01:39:02 pmQuote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:33:52 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on September 11, 2021, 01:32:04 pmQuote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:31:10 pmBless, you still think all this is about a virusf**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?Put jew instead of unvaccinated and see if you are still comfortable with what’s going onThey want the Jews to either become vaccinated or take a weekly test for Covid so to protect everyone and to hopefully root out a virus killing thousands?You’re happy with the concept of mandatory vaccinations and the segregation of society? You are happy with the march towards a medical apartheid? You’re happy with this in the name of a virus that most people don’t know they have unless tested? You’re happy with this in the face of the increased risks documented for teenagers, especially male teenagers? Ever asked yourself how they got away with their policies in Germany in the 30s? All you have to do is look in the mirror. Yes there is a virus killing people, no it is not as deadly as the perception people have is. The vast, vast majority of deaths were in people that had co-morbidities. I would wager that COVID alone has killed no more than 5k in the uk, the rest it’s broke the camels back, severe influenza can do the same. The measures far outweigh the problem which is why I object. Imagine going after a fly with a bazookaI'm not even going to reply to this post as you're clearly an idiot.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on September 11, 2021, 01:39:02 pmQuote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:33:52 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on September 11, 2021, 01:32:04 pmQuote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:31:10 pmBless, you still think all this is about a virusf**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?Put jew instead of unvaccinated and see if you are still comfortable with what’s going onThey want the Jews to either become vaccinated or take a weekly test for Covid so to protect everyone and to hopefully root out a virus killing thousands?You’re happy with the concept of mandatory vaccinations and the segregation of society? You are happy with the march towards a medical apartheid? You’re happy with this in the name of a virus that most people don’t know they have unless tested? You’re happy with this in the face of the increased risks documented for teenagers, especially male teenagers? Ever asked yourself how they got away with their policies in Germany in the 30s? All you have to do is look in the mirror. Yes there is a virus killing people, no it is not as deadly as the perception people have is. The vast, vast majority of deaths were in people that had co-morbidities. I would wager that COVID alone has killed no more than 5k in the uk, the rest it’s broke the camels back, severe influenza can do the same. The measures far outweigh the problem which is why I object. Imagine going after a fly with a bazooka
Quote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:33:52 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on September 11, 2021, 01:32:04 pmQuote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:31:10 pmBless, you still think all this is about a virusf**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?Put jew instead of unvaccinated and see if you are still comfortable with what’s going onThey want the Jews to either become vaccinated or take a weekly test for Covid so to protect everyone and to hopefully root out a virus killing thousands?
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on September 11, 2021, 01:32:04 pmQuote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:31:10 pmBless, you still think all this is about a virusf**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?Put jew instead of unvaccinated and see if you are still comfortable with what’s going on
Quote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:31:10 pmBless, you still think all this is about a virusf**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?
Bless, you still think all this is about a virus
Btw I am not anti vax having had both myself. I am very anti the draconian measures been enforced / proposed. I will never get a vaccine passport
Quote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:51:26 pmBtw I am not anti vax having had both myself. I am very anti the draconian measures been enforced / proposed. I will never get a vaccine passportWhy did you get vaccinated for something that "only killed 5k people in the UK"?
Quote from: sha66y on September 11, 2021, 01:40:27 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on September 11, 2021, 01:32:04 pmQuote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:31:10 pmBless, you still think all this is about a virusf**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?Are you saying you are not prepared to look beyond this insinuation? People tend to wheel out the David Icke and Conspiracy angle when a nerve is touched……Just out of interest and a genuine question to boot:Where do you think this Virus originated and how?…….go on….have a go!Potentially in a lab in Wuhan. Although, we may never know. The main point right now is killing the virus off.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on September 11, 2021, 01:32:04 pmQuote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:31:10 pmBless, you still think all this is about a virusf**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?Are you saying you are not prepared to look beyond this insinuation? People tend to wheel out the David Icke and Conspiracy angle when a nerve is touched……Just out of interest and a genuine question to boot:Where do you think this Virus originated and how?…….go on….have a go!
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on September 11, 2021, 01:51:01 pmQuote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:46:24 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on September 11, 2021, 01:39:02 pmQuote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:33:52 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on September 11, 2021, 01:32:04 pmQuote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:31:10 pmBless, you still think all this is about a virusf**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?Put jew instead of unvaccinated and see if you are still comfortable with what’s going onThey want the Jews to either become vaccinated or take a weekly test for Covid so to protect everyone and to hopefully root out a virus killing thousands?You’re happy with the concept of mandatory vaccinations and the segregation of society? You are happy with the march towards a medical apartheid? You’re happy with this in the name of a virus that most people don’t know they have unless tested? You’re happy with this in the face of the increased risks documented for teenagers, especially male teenagers? Ever asked yourself how they got away with their policies in Germany in the 30s? All you have to do is look in the mirror. Yes there is a virus killing people, no it is not as deadly as the perception people have is. The vast, vast majority of deaths were in people that had co-morbidities. I would wager that COVID alone has killed no more than 5k in the uk, the rest it’s broke the camels back, severe influenza can do the same. The measures far outweigh the problem which is why I object. Imagine going after a fly with a bazookaI'm not even going to reply to this post as you're clearly an idiot.Full of class as always DO
The co-morbidities argument is a disgusting smokescreen for justifying premature deaths by people who think being asked to wear a mask is a symbol of totalitarianism.My mother has high blood pressure and has had a heart attack. She's 80 but is otherwise in excellent health. She's active in her community and church. She regularly sees her grandkids. There is no reason why she shouldn't have decent health for several years to come.But she has co-morbidities. If she died of COVID tomorrow, you, Ldrwould sat she was just low hanging fruit.
Quote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:52:05 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on September 11, 2021, 01:51:01 pmQuote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:46:24 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on September 11, 2021, 01:39:02 pmQuote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:33:52 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on September 11, 2021, 01:32:04 pmQuote from: Ldr on September 11, 2021, 01:31:10 pmBless, you still think all this is about a virusf**king hell, when did David Icke join the forum?Put jew instead of unvaccinated and see if you are still comfortable with what’s going onThey want the Jews to either become vaccinated or take a weekly test for Covid so to protect everyone and to hopefully root out a virus killing thousands?You’re happy with the concept of mandatory vaccinations and the segregation of society? You are happy with the march towards a medical apartheid? You’re happy with this in the name of a virus that most people don’t know they have unless tested? You’re happy with this in the face of the increased risks documented for teenagers, especially male teenagers? Ever asked yourself how they got away with their policies in Germany in the 30s? All you have to do is look in the mirror. Yes there is a virus killing people, no it is not as deadly as the perception people have is. The vast, vast majority of deaths were in people that had co-morbidities. I would wager that COVID alone has killed no more than 5k in the uk, the rest it’s broke the camels back, severe influenza can do the same. The measures far outweigh the problem which is why I object. Imagine going after a fly with a bazookaI'm not even going to reply to this post as you're clearly an idiot.Full of class as always DORead your post. It's you who lacks class. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who has lost family members to Covid and why they wouldn't want to respond to such a ridiculous post...
You would wager that COVID has killed no more than 5k in the UK.So you continue to ignore the ONS who say that the average COVID death cut a life short by 10 years.You ignore that and you accuse those who have taken this seriously of being fascist supporters! The irony. You are turning a blind eye to the thick end of 2 million life years being lost.
10 life years per death. 10 years. There's a statistic for you.Your argument is that 160k+ people each losing ten years off their lives is just one if those things. Harold Shipman on steroids.
Ldr.You also appear to leave any sense of moral responsibility at the door. And any sense of proper assessment of the statistics come to that.Here's a thought. When my mother had her heart attack last year, why didn't the NHS just shoo her away off home to die? After all, the cost of treating her cannot be justified by the economic output she will produce in her remaining years. That is the logical conclusion of your approach.
Ldr.Your entire point is based on the worth of 10 years of old life against the cost of action to save that life.You by your own words have said that the "cost" of free requiring unvaccinated people to take weekly tests is not worth the benefit. The step from there to society believing that the economic cost of action to save an 80 year old's live is tiny.
Sha66y.Stick to your racist trolling abuse of people with a background like my wife and kids. It's revolting but at least you're in your own cess pit of one there. Leave grown up discussions to grown ups.
No one is being forced to be vaccinated. In the case of the US you can remain unvaccinated but provide a recent negative test.
The co-morbidities argument is a disgusting smokescreen for justifying premature deaths by people who think being asked to wear a mask is a symbol of totalitarianism.My mother has high blood pressure and has had a heart attack. She's 80 but is otherwise in excellent health. She's active in her community and church. She regularly sees her grandkids. She drives. She travels. She reads widely. She visits friends. There is no reason why she shouldn't have decent health and quality of life for several years to come.But she has co-morbidities. If she died of COVID tomorrow, you, Ldr would say she was just low hanging fruit.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 11, 2021, 01:50:20 pmYou would wager that COVID has killed no more than 5k in the UK.So you continue to ignore the ONS who say that the average COVID death cut a life short by 10 years.You ignore that and you accuse those who have taken this seriously of being fascist supporters! The irony. You are turning a blind eye to the thick end of 2 million life years being lost.BST, I don’t believe that a clearly intelligent person like yourself would trust the O.N.S as a valued means of information that can never truly be validated….Surely the W.H.O who U turned on their investigation in Wuhan set the old gray bauble whirring…….It’s impossible to not know the source of a Pandemic !
Quote from: sha66y on September 11, 2021, 02:00:50 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 11, 2021, 01:50:20 pmYou would wager that COVID has killed no more than 5k in the UK.So you continue to ignore the ONS who say that the average COVID death cut a life short by 10 years.You ignore that and you accuse those who have taken this seriously of being fascist supporters! The irony. You are turning a blind eye to the thick end of 2 million life years being lost.BST, I don’t believe that a clearly intelligent person like yourself would trust the O.N.S as a valued means of information that can never truly be validated….Surely the W.H.O who U turned on their investigation in Wuhan set the old gray bauble whirring…….It’s impossible to not know the source of a Pandemic ! Really? So where did the post-WW1 flu pandemic and Hong Kong Flu pandemic originate from? I'm sure the world's scientific community would love to know at long last.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 11, 2021, 04:37:18 pmQuote from: sha66y on September 11, 2021, 02:00:50 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 11, 2021, 01:50:20 pmYou would wager that COVID has killed no more than 5k in the UK.So you continue to ignore the ONS who say that the average COVID death cut a life short by 10 years.You ignore that and you accuse those who have taken this seriously of being fascist supporters! The irony. You are turning a blind eye to the thick end of 2 million life years being lost.BST, I don’t believe that a clearly intelligent person like yourself would trust the O.N.S as a valued means of information that can never truly be validated….Surely the W.H.O who U turned on their investigation in Wuhan set the old gray bauble whirring…….It’s impossible to not know the source of a Pandemic ! Really? So where did the post-WW1 flu pandemic and Hong Kong Flu pandemic originate from? I'm sure the world's scientific community would love to know at long last.I thought you would have known I was referring to the modern day, with all our organisations and disease control measures plus the technology! Maybe I should have worded the last line a little clearer and not expected too much?
Quote from: sha66y on September 11, 2021, 05:04:40 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 11, 2021, 04:37:18 pmQuote from: sha66y on September 11, 2021, 02:00:50 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 11, 2021, 01:50:20 pmYou would wager that COVID has killed no more than 5k in the UK.So you continue to ignore the ONS who say that the average COVID death cut a life short by 10 years.You ignore that and you accuse those who have taken this seriously of being fascist supporters! The irony. You are turning a blind eye to the thick end of 2 million life years being lost.BST, I don’t believe that a clearly intelligent person like yourself would trust the O.N.S as a valued means of information that can never truly be validated….Surely the W.H.O who U turned on their investigation in Wuhan set the old gray bauble whirring…….It’s impossible to not know the source of a Pandemic ! Really? So where did the post-WW1 flu pandemic and Hong Kong Flu pandemic originate from? I'm sure the world's scientific community would love to know at long last.I thought you would have known I was referring to the modern day, with all our organisations and disease control measures plus the technology! Maybe I should have worded the last line a little clearer and not expected too much? Hong Kong flu was 1968, so when does 'the modern day' start? Does it include SARS in 2003? H1N1 in 2009? Ebola in 2015?Perhaps you should have worded that last line not to say something is impossible when you have no idea whether it's true or not?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 11, 2021, 05:41:46 pmQuote from: sha66y on September 11, 2021, 05:04:40 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 11, 2021, 04:37:18 pmQuote from: sha66y on September 11, 2021, 02:00:50 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 11, 2021, 01:50:20 pmYou would wager that COVID has killed no more than 5k in the UK.So you continue to ignore the ONS who say that the average COVID death cut a life short by 10 years.You ignore that and you accuse those who have taken this seriously of being fascist supporters! The irony. You are turning a blind eye to the thick end of 2 million life years being lost.BST, I don’t believe that a clearly intelligent person like yourself would trust the O.N.S as a valued means of information that can never truly be validated….Surely the W.H.O who U turned on their investigation in Wuhan set the old gray bauble whirring…….It’s impossible to not know the source of a Pandemic ! Really? So where did the post-WW1 flu pandemic and Hong Kong Flu pandemic originate from? I'm sure the world's scientific community would love to know at long last.I thought you would have known I was referring to the modern day, with all our organisations and disease control measures plus the technology! Maybe I should have worded the last line a little clearer and not expected too much? Hong Kong flu was 1968, so when does 'the modern day' start? Does it include SARS in 2003? H1N1 in 2009? Ebola in 2015?Perhaps you should have worded that last line not to say something is impossible when you have no idea whether it's true or not?I was thinking natural not man made ……but a question to you Glyn …Where do you think COVID-19 originated?
Quote from: sha66y on September 11, 2021, 05:54:46 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 11, 2021, 05:41:46 pmQuote from: sha66y on September 11, 2021, 05:04:40 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 11, 2021, 04:37:18 pmQuote from: sha66y on September 11, 2021, 02:00:50 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 11, 2021, 01:50:20 pmYou would wager that COVID has killed no more than 5k in the UK.So you continue to ignore the ONS who say that the average COVID death cut a life short by 10 years.You ignore that and you accuse those who have taken this seriously of being fascist supporters! The irony. You are turning a blind eye to the thick end of 2 million life years being lost.BST, I don’t believe that a clearly intelligent person like yourself would trust the O.N.S as a valued means of information that can never truly be validated….Surely the W.H.O who U turned on their investigation in Wuhan set the old gray bauble whirring…….It’s impossible to not know the source of a Pandemic ! Really? So where did the post-WW1 flu pandemic and Hong Kong Flu pandemic originate from? I'm sure the world's scientific community would love to know at long last.I thought you would have known I was referring to the modern day, with all our organisations and disease control measures plus the technology! Maybe I should have worded the last line a little clearer and not expected too much? Hong Kong flu was 1968, so when does 'the modern day' start? Does it include SARS in 2003? H1N1 in 2009? Ebola in 2015?Perhaps you should have worded that last line not to say something is impossible when you have no idea whether it's true or not?I was thinking natural not man made ……but a question to you Glyn …Where do you think COVID-19 originated? 1. I don't know. 2. My opinion about it is just as irrelevant as yours.PS First case identification is not the same as origin.Now I've answered your question, are you going to answer mine this time instead of ignoring it - when do you think 'the modern day' starts, and on what basis do you delineate that date?
My 90 year old Mum has been just been diagnosed with Covid. She's been double jabbed which I guess is why, instead of being in hospital on a ventilator, she's stood at the back door having a fag.