Socialism

[Bentley Bullet]

Many years ago I worked with a lad who never bought any fags and cadged them off me all the time. Eventually, I snapped and suggested that he started buying his own. His reaction was to call ME a tight Kitson!

[SydneyRover]

And you've never gotten over it ....

[BigH]

Many years ago I worked with a lad who never bought any fags and cadged them off me all the time. Eventually, I snapped and suggested that he started buying his own. His reaction was to call ME a tight Kitson!

Wasn't called Boris was he...

[Herbert Anchovy]

Many years ago I worked with a lad who never bought any fags and cadged them off me all the time. Eventually, I snapped and suggested that he started buying his own. His reaction was to call ME a tight Kitson!

I used to know a lad who was laid off twice in a year. There was over 1 million on the dole at the time and he struggled to find work for a long while. Fortunately, the state was able to step in and help him and his family keep their heads above water until he was able to find another job. He was then able to provide support for others in a similar situation through his taxes.

[selby]

A good socialist is a good socialist until someone else's money runs out.

[Herbert Anchovy]

A good socialist is a good socialist until someone else's money runs out.

A good Socialist is someone who doesn’t mind supporting others less fortunate via a fair and equal tax system Selby!

[selby]

  A good socialist is someone who supports that thinking Herbert, and objects to others wasting it, and ending up in someone else's pocket rather than on projects that benefit the whole of society.

[SydneyRover]

A good socialist is a good socialist until someone else's money runs out.

Do you live by your political faith selby? do you drive on roads paid for by the masses, do you ring the police if you have a problem with oiks or do you call your private security contractor and so much more, tories are phonies, look how quickly they resort to socialism when it gets a bit hard.

[DonnyOsmond]

Depends on what you define by socialism. As socialism is the government controlling the means of production and distribution. However, if we're just talking about a welfare state/social democracy then how can people be against:
*Free healthcare, so that anyone can be treated no matter what there bank balance is, you don't have to choose monthly between your heart pills or your diabetes medication like in the US. That isn't just propping up people who don't want to work, if there's a financial crash tomorrow and some big companies go under it means people can still have life saving operations without losing their family homes.
*Good education for all. A decent education shouldn't depend on your parents bank balance. A kid who grows up in the high rise flats in Balby shouldn't be disadvantaged in comparison to Jacob Rees-Moggs kids.
*Reduced homelessness. People shouldn't be left to live on the street, simple as that. It would also make places like Doncaster town centre a lot more attractive!


And countries such as the Nordic countries with their high wage, high tax economy show it works well. They also appear top of the World Happiness Index, so I guess there is better ways to believe an economy should be run then based on a tongue in cheek comment by the PM of 40 year ago.

[belton rover]

I reckon Sydney must be a socialist judging by the amount of times he gets publicly owned.

[selby]

  I love the way I am constantly brought into your and Billy's  analogies Syd, I must have made a bigger impression on you than you have on me,I only think of you both when I have an itch.

[Herbert Anchovy]

Socialism is far from perfect. However, done correctly, I find it far more preferable to an open capitalist culture that creates such a wide gulf in living quality and standards.

[SydneyRover]

  I love the way I am constantly brought into your and Billy's  analogies Syd, I must have made a bigger impression on you than you have on me,I only think of you both when I have an itch.

My pleasure selby and no charge, try lidocaine.

[SydneyRover]

I reckon Sydney must be a socialist judging by the amount of times he gets publicly owned.

BB most definitely is, he put me on his socialist.

[selby]

 You slap some Sloan's Liniment on Syd that will liven you up.

[wilts rover]

You either prefer equality or you prefer inequality.

And you can be sure that the people who prefer inequality ain't never going to help you.

[normal rules]

Israel, India, and the United Kingdom all adopted socialism as an economic model following World War II.

Socialism is guilty of a fatal conceit: It believes its system can make better decisions for the people than they can for themselves.

Socialism has failed in every country in which it has been tried.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Israel, India, and the United Kingdom all adopted socialism as an economic model following World War II.

Socialism is guilty of a fatal conceit: It believes its system can make better decisions for the people than they can for themselves.

Socialism has failed in every country in which it has been tried.

Like Scandinavia?

[normal rules]

Scandinavian countries have perhaps always had a socialist ethos. I’m talking about countries that have tried it since ww2.

[normal rules]

Post ww2, three decades of socialism in the uk left us on the verge of being an economic dustbin on the global scale. The govt owned all majority industry such as auto and steel. Crushingly high tax rates on income and capital. Much of housing govt owned
Trade unions spending all their funds on political objectives such as controlling the Labour Party. . From 1950 to 1975, the U.K.’s investment and productivity record was the worst of any major industrial country. Trade-union demands increased the size of the public sector and public expenditures to 59 percent of GDP. Wage and benefits demands by organized labor led to continual strikes that paralyzed transportation and production. But workers were happy I suppose stood by their burning braziers day after day were they? The winter of 1975.piles of rubbish and rats in the street. Bodies unburied.
This what socialism looks like.

[Herbert Anchovy]

Israel, India, and the United Kingdom all adopted socialism as an economic model following World War II.

Socialism is guilty of a fatal conceit: It believes its system can make better decisions for the people than they can for themselves.

Socialism has failed in every country in which it has been tried.

France had a Socialist Government throughout the 80’s and much of the 90’s and didn’t do too bad. The UK had a Socialist Government in the 60’s and prospered quite well.

[selby]

  Herbert, the 40's 50's and 60s generations were the best Britain has ever had, Just ask anybody who lived through those times, its the ones that followed who have made a mess of it and are digging even bigger holes as we speak.

[Filo]

Post ww2, three decades of socialism in the uk left us on the verge of being an economic dustbin on the global scale. The govt owned all majority industry such as auto and steel. Crushingly high tax rates on income and capital. Much of housing govt owned
Trade unions spending all their funds on political objectives such as controlling the Labour Party. . From 1950 to 1975, the U.K.’s investment and productivity record was the worst of any major industrial country. Trade-union demands increased the size of the public sector and public expenditures to 59 percent of GDP. Wage and benefits demands by organized labor led to continual strikes that paralyzed transportation and production. But workers were happy I suppose stood by their burning braziers day after day were they? The winter of 1975.piles of rubbish and rats in the street. Bodies unburied.
This what socialism looks like.

We’re now finding out why nationalisation is n’t such a bad thing, the French owning much of our electricty supplies are now threatening to cut us off over the fishing disputes. Bus and Train services hardly ever run on time or not at all, steelworks owned by Indians and Chinese lowering the quality of British made Steel.

All our utilities and transport should be nationalised in my opinion

[BillyStubbsTears]

Post ww2, three decades of socialism in the uk left us on the verge of being an economic dustbin on the global scale. The govt owned all majority industry such as auto and steel. Crushingly high tax rates on income and capital. Much of housing govt owned
Trade unions spending all their funds on political objectives such as controlling the Labour Party. . From 1950 to 1975, the U.K.’s investment and productivity record was the worst of any major industrial country. Trade-union demands increased the size of the public sector and public expenditures to 59 percent of GDP. Wage and benefits demands by organized labor led to continual strikes that paralyzed transportation and production. But workers were happy I suppose stood by their burning braziers day after day were they? The winter of 1975.piles of rubbish and rats in the street. Bodies unburied.
This what socialism looks like.

You do realise that the Tories were in power for 18 of the 25 years from 1950-75?

You reckon Churchill was a socialist? Or Macmillan? Or the 14th Earl Home? Or Ted Heath?

Also, have a think what might have helped West Germany and Holland and France and Italy overtake us economically in that very period.

[Filo]

  Herbert, the 40's 50's and 60s generations were the best Britain has ever had, Just ask anybody who lived through those times, its the ones that followed who have made a mess of it and are digging even bigger holes as we speak.

Yes the 40’s 50’s and 60’s before every thing was sold off by Thatcher

[BillyStubbsTears]

  Herbert, the 40's 50's and 60s generations were the best Britain has ever had, Just ask anybody who lived through those times, its the ones that followed who have made a mess of it and are digging even bigger holes as we speak.

Eh up. It's Capstick Comes Home.

We 'ad a lot of things back then that thi' dunt 'ave today.

Rickets.
Diphtheria.
Hitler.

[Herbert Anchovy]

  Herbert, the 40's 50's and 60s generations were the best Britain has ever had, Just ask anybody who lived through those times, its the ones that followed who have made a mess of it and are digging even bigger holes as we speak.

Sorry Selby. I respectfully, but fundamentally, disagree with that view.

[selby]

Feel free buddy I expected it.

[normal rules]

Post ww2, three decades of socialism in the uk left us on the verge of being an economic dustbin on the global scale. The govt owned all majority industry such as auto and steel. Crushingly high tax rates on income and capital. Much of housing govt owned
Trade unions spending all their funds on political objectives such as controlling the Labour Party. . From 1950 to 1975, the U.K.’s investment and productivity record was the worst of any major industrial country. Trade-union demands increased the size of the public sector and public expenditures to 59 percent of GDP. Wage and benefits demands by organized labor led to continual strikes that paralyzed transportation and production. But workers were happy I suppose stood by their burning braziers day after day were they? The winter of 1975.piles of rubbish and rats in the street. Bodies unburied.
This what socialism looks like.

You do realise that the Tories were in power for 18 of the 25 years from 1950-75?

You reckon Churchill was a socialist? Or Macmillan? Or the 14th Earl Home? Or Ted Heath?

Also, have a think what might have helped West Germany and Holland and France and Italy overtake us economically in that very period.

Don’t think my argument is somehow totally against socialism and totally for what we currently have.
I believe there is a happy balance to be struck.
Not that that will ever happen of course.
We live in an all or nothing democracy .

[scawsby steve]

  Herbert, the 40's 50's and 60s generations were the best Britain has ever had, Just ask anybody who lived through those times, its the ones that followed who have made a mess of it and are digging even bigger holes as we speak.

Eh up. It's Capstick Comes Home.

We 'ad a lot of things back then that thi' dunt 'ave today.

Rickets.
Diphtheria.
Hitler.

100% employment.
World Cup winners.
Everything ridiculously cheap.