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Quote from: Retdon1 on January 02, 2022, 10:57:31 pmQuote from: silent majority on January 02, 2022, 05:05:20 pmQuote from: steve@dcfd on January 02, 2022, 01:44:31 pmI know and said that but they’ve got loan player ready. By Tuesday we need some of the players we are bringing in ready to go if they are going to know their team members and training before. Saturday.Quote from: steve@dcfd on January 02, 2022, 01:44:31 pmI know and said that but they’ve got loan player ready. By Tuesday we need some of the players we are bringing in ready to go if they are going to know their team members and training before. Saturday.And as I mentioned the other day we’ve reached agreement with 4 players and should announce shortly.Not true if u listen to G Mc or Hoden Tbf both said the loan deals are agreed but would be later in the window.
Quote from: silent majority on January 02, 2022, 05:05:20 pmQuote from: steve@dcfd on January 02, 2022, 01:44:31 pmI know and said that but they’ve got loan player ready. By Tuesday we need some of the players we are bringing in ready to go if they are going to know their team members and training before. Saturday.Quote from: steve@dcfd on January 02, 2022, 01:44:31 pmI know and said that but they’ve got loan player ready. By Tuesday we need some of the players we are bringing in ready to go if they are going to know their team members and training before. Saturday.And as I mentioned the other day we’ve reached agreement with 4 players and should announce shortly.Not true if u listen to G Mc or Hoden
Quote from: steve@dcfd on January 02, 2022, 01:44:31 pmI know and said that but they’ve got loan player ready. By Tuesday we need some of the players we are bringing in ready to go if they are going to know their team members and training before. Saturday.Quote from: steve@dcfd on January 02, 2022, 01:44:31 pmI know and said that but they’ve got loan player ready. By Tuesday we need some of the players we are bringing in ready to go if they are going to know their team members and training before. Saturday.And as I mentioned the other day we’ve reached agreement with 4 players and should announce shortly.
I know and said that but they’ve got loan player ready. By Tuesday we need some of the players we are bringing in ready to go if they are going to know their team members and training before. Saturday.
If they are available at the end of the month, no good, move on. We needed them in yesterday not at the last minute. Please don’t start all that flannel and we end up with not enough brought in. There is plenty of time don’t make excuses already.
While L2 is a possibility, I would think that all stops are out to stay up and that an L2 scenario will only be in the planning if and when avoidance of it is an impossibility.
Let’s not also forget that if we do end up in League Two next season, we are very likely to have to do a total rebuild. The following senior players are out of contract this summer and you would not expect them to be playing in the bottom tier even if we offer them terms - Anderson, Bostock, Cam John and potentially Fejiri. Even bigger group of squad players are out of contract - Gardener, Barlow, Jones, Bogle, Williams, Horton and Blythe. In fact the only players contracted beyond this season are Rowe, Close, Dodoo, Hiwula, Ravenhill, Olowu, Taylor, Seaman, Ro-Shaun and Knoyle. That’s not the core of a squad to get out of League Two.
I’ve touched on this in another thread. Consider Brentford. When they started their rebuild from lge 2, which ultimately got them to the prem, they operate a recruitment and development policy that looks ahead two transfer windows. Planning for the future. I think Rovers are much more hand to mouth . We haven’t even got this window organised.
Quote from: Chris Black come back on January 02, 2022, 10:35:02 pmAnd don’t forget the last time we got relegated to League Two in 2015/16, Ferguson did so on the back of an unbelievable run of 16 games where we won 0 (zero), drew 4 and lost 12. This included a run of 7 straight defeats in a row. When it’s bad, it’s really bad for us. This is true, however a few notable observations on the back of that:- After that run, loads of our fans demanded Ferguson must be sacked. - We didn’t sack him, and we bounced straight back - But because we fluffed the title, loads of our fans demanded Ferguson must be sacked- We didn’t sack him, and he stabilised us in League One- This wasn’t good enough for a load of our fans, who demanded he must be sacked- He left anyway, and we appointed McCann, who most of our fans didn’t want- He got us to a dubious penalty shoot out away from the play off final. Then when he left to go to a club in the next division our fans were unhappy as he didn’t show loyalty The moral of the story? Even when things are alright our fans will moan and demand that heads roll. Today was a real low. But it would be better for everyone if we stuck together, got some players in and had a crack at the second half of the season drawing on the first half of today.
And don’t forget the last time we got relegated to League Two in 2015/16, Ferguson did so on the back of an unbelievable run of 16 games where we won 0 (zero), drew 4 and lost 12. This included a run of 7 straight defeats in a row. When it’s bad, it’s really bad for us.
We don't need to be looking to be a prem side tho tyke. Our idea has been to try and have more forward thinking, and look into multi-year contracts, while also developing the production line of our youth system (to what level of success is very debatable). So the strategy has been somewhat correct. The problem, as mentioned, has been that the talent that has been identified and gambled on hasn't been the right talent.If we listen to the club, the noises they are making is that these problems are due to Wellens and/or other managers solely making decisions on individual players, so they want to change this by using a recruitment panel. IF we take them at their word, and IF Younger and others had limited influence over previous signings, then I'm on board.Something tells me it could be individuals at the club pinning blame on Wellens rather than taking some form of ownership that these deals still happened on their watch (at best) or they were involved and behind the deals too (at worst)
Quote from: MagicMartinoWoods on January 03, 2022, 10:16:07 amWe don't need to be looking to be a prem side tho tyke. Our idea has been to try and have more forward thinking, and look into multi-year contracts, while also developing the production line of our youth system (to what level of success is very debatable). So the strategy has been somewhat correct. The problem, as mentioned, has been that the talent that has been identified and gambled on hasn't been the right talent.If we listen to the club, the noises they are making is that these problems are due to Wellens and/or other managers solely making decisions on individual players, so they want to change this by using a recruitment panel. IF we take them at their word, and IF Younger and others had limited influence over previous signings, then I'm on board.Something tells me it could be individuals at the club pinning blame on Wellens rather than taking some form of ownership that these deals still happened on their watch (at best) or they were involved and behind the deals too (at worst)As I understand it in today's game a manager has the greater say in recruitment but a HC has only a seat around the table and works under a recruitment team .There will of course be various ways of how this works from club to club but generally speaking that's how it is suppose to work .I've always had the impression at Rovers that the manager has the greatest say on recruitment , at least it comes over that way whilst our HC's work from a list provided by our recruitment team which is pretty much on the record over here .The industry standard if you like is that if you get 40% right your doing relatively well .How that 40% is measured is perhaps the question .Three season's ago with Kane and Wilks in the side I'd reckon you were way above 40% but unfortunately and unluckily you missed out in the play off semi final .That percentage has probably come down since that night at The Valley but taking the last 3 and a half seasons in to consideration you'll probably not be far short of the 40% mark .
The irony of it is that Wellens main soundbite was that he was trying to get players in with the right mentality, and desire to play for the club; we've ended up with players that look the most disinterested I've ever seen (Hiwula, Cukur, Dodoo).
The mixed messaging is unhelpful but let's wait and see. If there aren't players in this week then with a big game this Saturday you have to question the messaging sent out by Gavin Baldwin and David blunt in the statements they made when processing a new manager.However, we may see players. Mcsheffrey has already proven that he can play things down as he did when he was asked if he wanted the job, he'd be stupid not to do the same with transfers.
Quote from: MagicMartinoWoods on January 03, 2022, 10:39:04 amThe irony of it is that Wellens main soundbite was that he was trying to get players in with the right mentality, and desire to play for the club; we've ended up with players that look the most disinterested I've ever seen (Hiwula, Cukur, Dodoo).Playing devils advocate to a large extent, but that could still be true.- Dodoo arrived here having been widely praised by the Wigan fans for how hard he’d worked to help keep them up. He was playing in a different position (off the right) in a different culture and with support around him. - Hiwula - I know nothing about his attitude but a glance at his past record is enough to show he isn’t as useless as he’s looked here. Has the covid had an effect, has the culture around the club ground him down? - Cukur is just a kid, arrived unfit, has never really got going and is probably conditioned by his surroundings due to his age. I’m in no way excusing the lack of effort from some of the above, the players have to be accountable for themselves and they should be showing far more character. But I dare say there are other contributory factors beyond their personal application. I doubt it’s much fun to play for our supporters. Even on the rare occasions we are in a position to get a result there is often a group of fans waiting to chant ”how shit must you be, we’re…”It’s easy to get stuck in a cycle. The fans understandably need the players to lift them, and there’s been painfully little to shout about. But the players also need the fans to lift them. They’ve not done enough to earn adoration for sure, but ideally both sides (players and fans) need to dig in and change the mentality if we are to have a chance of salvaging some pride from this season. Going back to topic, hopefully some quality additions can give everyone a lift and we can crack on.