Shambles

[Campsall rover]

It can be done on a small budget.
Look at Wycombe over the last 3/4 seasons.

Don’t like the style of football much but it’s effective. The time wasting tactics are horrible.
Good manager who they have stuck with on one of the lowest budgets in League 1 and gates of less than 5.000

[Campsall rover]

Recruitment, Recruitment and Recruitment.

Not rocket science. Get it right you will do well. Get it wrong and look at where DRFC are now.

Last 30 months we have got it horribly wrong.

[Alan Southstand]

A crop of league 2 standard players?

The previous manager can only work with the budget he’s given and, furthermore, the previous manager had to work within the parameters of what the present manager is working - with a recruitment team.

I think Close, Hiwula, Gardner and Dodoo were in league 1 last season. They may be performing way below that standard, but they were not L2 when they were signed.

Instead of being lazy and simply blaming the previous manager, let’s look inwards first and question what is going on, because it seems to be a consistent pattern, this blaming McCann, Moore and then Wellens.

[David Pearson]

The rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......

[Bezza]

We are now going to suffer with income from the gates, won't be many going who are not season ticket holders, Fleetwood won't bring many, hard to see the crowd reaching 5,000,

[DonnyBazR0ver]

It can be done on a small budget.
Look at Wycombe over the last 3/4 seasons.

Don’t like the style of football much but it’s effective. The time wasting tactics are horrible.
Good manager who they have stuck with on one of the lowest budgets in League 1 and gates of less than 5.000

Completely agree. How long has Ainsworth been there?

How long as Warne been at Rotherham?

Some folk might want to reinvent the wheel but a major factor is the stability of a manager who has multiple transfer windows to shape a squad to their preferred formula and be allowed the odd mistake here and there.

[David Pearson]

This mentor role is a joke...Whoever thought of this mentor role were looking to save money...Its like myself getting on the phone to my mate and asking him for some advice.....The club is a joke...

You talk a good game, but you don’t offer any ideas.

Here is an idea....Put an experienced manager in place, give him a proper League one budget and allow him to bring in some quality players....

[DonnyBazR0ver]

This mentor role is a joke...Whoever thought of this mentor role were looking to save money...Its like myself getting on the phone to my mate and asking him for some advice.....The club is a joke...

You talk a good game, but you don’t offer any ideas.

Here is an idea....Put an experienced manager in place, give him a proper League one budget and allow him to bring in some quality players....

How experienced were Ainsworth and Warne when appointed to their current jobs?

[David Pearson]

This mentor role is a joke...Whoever thought of this mentor role were looking to save money...Its like myself getting on the phone to my mate and asking him for some advice.....The club is a joke...

You talk a good game, but you don’t offer any ideas.

Here is an idea....Put an experienced manager in place, give him a proper League one budget and allow him to bring in some quality players....

How experienced were Ainsworth and Warne when appointed to their current jobs?

Warne and Ainsworth have been backed by their boards...Look at Rotherham...Kept together most of the squad from the championship after they were relegated and actually strengthened the squad further....Now you can't tell me that Rotherham are a bigger club than the Rovers....Where there is a will there is a way....

[ForsolongaRover]

You could also say that the character of Warne and Ainsworth as compared with McCann and Moore is a factor too. SOD was such a man and remember he turned down Burnley. If it were just be a question of matching the salary offered by wealthier clubs, that would be affordable I assume, but financial resources to buy better players so as to replicate that side of the predator cannot be just whistled up.

Perhaps, if he does well, McSheffery will repay the club with loyalty.

[EasyforDennis]

You could also say that the character of Warne and Ainsworth as compared with McCann and Moore is a factor too. SOD was such a man and remember he turned down Burnley. If it were just be a question of matching the salary offered by wealthier clubs, that would be affordable I assume, but financial resources to buy better players so as to replicate that side of the predator cannot be just whistled up.

Perhaps, if he does well, McSheffery will repay the club with loyalty.

and yet Rotherham have managed to whistle some up?

[BigH]

A crop of league 2 standard players?

The previous manager can only work with the budget he’s given and, furthermore, the previous manager had to work within the parameters of what the present manager is working - with a recruitment team.

I think Close, Hiwula, Gardner and Dodoo were in league 1 last season. They may be performing way below that standard, but they were not L2 when they were signed.

Instead of being lazy and simply blaming the previous manager, let’s look inwards first and question what is going on, because it seems to be a consistent pattern, this blaming McCann, Moore and then Wellens.

Not being lazy at all. Realistic maybe. We are bottom of the league for a reason. Quite simply, the players currently at the manager's disposal are not good enough.

Please tell me who, out of the team that finished on Saturday, would walk into another L1 side?

Or are you saying it's as simple as TB putting his hand in his pocket to splash the cash? Now that would be being lazy!

[Sammy Chung was King]

There are technical players in the side, especially among those injured players. We just need some steel and nous injected into the side. With all fit we have a mid table upwards first eleven.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

This mentor role is a joke...Whoever thought of this mentor role were looking to save money...Its like myself getting on the phone to my mate and asking him for some advice.....The club is a joke...

You talk a good game, but you don’t offer any ideas.

Here is an idea....Put an experienced manager in place, give him a proper League one budget and allow him to bring in some quality players....

How experienced were Ainsworth and Warne when appointed to their current jobs?

Warne and Ainsworth have been backed by their boards...Look at Rotherham...Kept together most of the squad from the championship after they were relegated and actually strengthened the squad further....Now you can't tell me that Rotherham are a bigger club than the Rovers....Where there is a will there is a way....

I go back to what I've said before. How did they get to the Championship? You could argue McCann and his squad were just as capable as Warnes or Ainsworths.

They got a bit of luck when it came down to the wire and we didn't. They used the extra money from the Championship wisely which enabled them to keep quite a few of their key players. Hanging on to the manager helps alot too!!

[scawsby steve]

The rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......

Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?

[David Pearson]

The rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......

Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?

The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...

[scawsby steve]

The rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......

Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?

The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...

I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams.

[David Pearson]

The rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......

Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?

The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...

I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams.

How do we know for a fact that it was the 14th highest budget in League One?..

[David Pearson]

The rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......

Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?

The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...

I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams.

Some of the signings weren't even playing for any club when Wellens signed them....That's how bad it was..

[Campsall rover]

The rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......

Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?

It should have been but Wellens did not use it wisely. That is plainly obvious.
Every team needs a solid spine. We do not have one.
Yes injuries have not helped but we were always short of a proper MR in midfield even with a completely fit squad.
Hiwula has been a disgrace unless there is a genuine reason why he can’t be arsed or do the basics.
Usually there is not an excuse for idleness.

Cukur and Dodoo are simply no where near the standard of footballer at this level so even a fit Okinheberhie we would have no back up at all.

Smith although improving is totally inexperienced at League level.
So with the plan RW had of playing Rowe at left back we had Close and Galbraith with Bostock in midfield.
Bostock is injury prone and can’t run or tackle so has only one string to his bow which is passing.

So we were obviously going to be short in midfield. Now Close is injured.
Williams proved a poor signing at centre back and Knoyle badly underperformed while RW was in charge.
Way below his standard last season at Cambridge.

Gardener, Barlow and Vilca were last min panic signings to get the numbers up.
All have not reached full fitness and are unable it would seem to stay fit. None have played a full 90 mins more than once I think so far.  Possibly Barlow twice.

The recruitment was poor, very poor indeed with the 14th largest budget. Worse still was the way RW man managed the squad. He knocked the stuffing out of them because he I was not capable it would seem to be calm and composed. The players were playing with fear.

Now GM has got a confidence problem to sort out which ain’t easy when you are bottom of the table and have just conceded 4 goals after being 3-0 up at half time.

[Campsall rover]

The rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......

Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?

The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...

I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams.

How do we know for a fact that it was the 14th highest budget in League One?..

Because GB has said so publicly. Budgets are monitored against other clubs budgets on a regular basis.

[Sammy Chung was King]

As the manager you need to mention the positives of being three nil up in the first place. Then you pick apart bits we could have done better in the second half and how we stop it happening again.
There is ability in the players they need to show a tougher more resilient streak.

[David Pearson]

The rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......

Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?

It should have been but Wellens did not use it wisely. That is plainly obvious.
Every team needs a solid spine. We do not have one.
Yes injuries have not helped but we were always short of a proper MR in midfield even with a completely fit squad.
Hiwula has been a disgrace unless there is a genuine reason why he can’t be arsed or do the basics.
Usually there is not an excuse for idleness.

Cukur and Dodoo are simply no where near the standard of footballer at this level so even a fit Okinheberhie we would have no back up at all.

Smith although improving is totally inexperienced at League level.
So with the plan RW had of playing Rowe at left back we had Close and Galbraith with Bostock in midfield.
Bostock is injury prone and can’t run or tackle so has only one string to his bow which is passing.

So we were obviously going to be short in midfield. Now Close is injured.
Williams proved a poor signing at centre back and Knoyle badly underperformed while RW was in charge.
Way below his standard last season at Cambridge.

Gardener, Barlow and Vilca were last min panic signings to get the numbers up.
All have not reached full fitness and are unable it would seem to stay fit. None have played a full 90 mins more than once I think so far.  Possibly Barlow twice.

The recruitment was poor, very poor indeed with the 14th largest budget. Worse still was the way RW man managed the squad. He knocked the stuffing out of them because he I was not capable it would seem to be calm and composed. The players were playing with fear.

Now GM has got a confidence problem to sort out which ain’t easy when you are bottom of the table and have just conceded 4 goals after being 3-0 up at half time.

I will go back to my original question...How do we know that the club had given Wellens the 14th highest budget in League One?......I'm not saying Wellens was perfect in how he did his job, but when any professional football club has to revert to signing players without a club, its says a lot about the budget....Surely Wellens didn't want to sign players without a club, any manager at this level wouldn't do that if he hadn't got to.....

[David Pearson]

The rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......

Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?

The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...

I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams.

How do we know for a fact that it was the 14th highest budget in League One?..

Because GB has said so publicly. Budgets are monitored against other clubs budgets on a regular basis.

So Gavin Baldwin's word is gospel....This is the man who said the rovers aren't in a relegation fight...

[vaya]

The rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......

Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?

It should have been but Wellens did not use it wisely. That is plainly obvious.
Every team needs a solid spine. We do not have one.
Yes injuries have not helped but we were always short of a proper MR in midfield even with a completely fit squad.
Hiwula has been a disgrace unless there is a genuine reason why he can’t be arsed or do the basics.
Usually there is not an excuse for idleness.

Cukur and Dodoo are simply no where near the standard of footballer at this level so even a fit Okinheberhie we would have no back up at all.

Smith although improving is totally inexperienced at League level.
So with the plan RW had of playing Rowe at left back we had Close and Galbraith with Bostock in midfield.
Bostock is injury prone and can’t run or tackle so has only one string to his bow which is passing.

So we were obviously going to be short in midfield. Now Close is injured.
Williams proved a poor signing at centre back and Knoyle badly underperformed while RW was in charge.
Way below his standard last season at Cambridge.

Gardener, Barlow and Vilca were last min panic signings to get the numbers up.
All have not reached full fitness and are unable it would seem to stay fit. None have played a full 90 mins more than once I think so far.  Possibly Barlow twice.

The recruitment was poor, very poor indeed with the 14th largest budget. Worse still was the way RW man managed the squad. He knocked the stuffing out of them because he I was not capable it would seem to be calm and composed. The players were playing with fear.

Now GM has got a confidence problem to sort out which ain’t easy when you are bottom of the table and have just conceded 4 goals after being 3-0 up at half time.

I will go back to my original question...How do we know that the club had given Wellens the 14th highest budget in League One?......I'm not saying Wellens was perfect in how he did his job, but when any professional football club has to revert to signing players without a club, its says a lot about the budget....Surely Wellens didn't want to sign players without a club, any manager at this level wouldn't do that if he hadn't got to.....

Which players were signed that were without a club David?

[David Pearson]

The rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......

Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?

It should have been but Wellens did not use it wisely. That is plainly obvious.
Every team needs a solid spine. We do not have one.
Yes injuries have not helped but we were always short of a proper MR in midfield even with a completely fit squad.
Hiwula has been a disgrace unless there is a genuine reason why he can’t be arsed or do the basics.
Usually there is not an excuse for idleness.

Cukur and Dodoo are simply no where near the standard of footballer at this level so even a fit Okinheberhie we would have no back up at all.

Smith although improving is totally inexperienced at League level.
So with the plan RW had of playing Rowe at left back we had Close and Galbraith with Bostock in midfield.
Bostock is injury prone and can’t run or tackle so has only one string to his bow which is passing.

So we were obviously going to be short in midfield. Now Close is injured.
Williams proved a poor signing at centre back and Knoyle badly underperformed while RW was in charge.
Way below his standard last season at Cambridge.

Gardener, Barlow and Vilca were last min panic signings to get the numbers up.
All have not reached full fitness and are unable it would seem to stay fit. None have played a full 90 mins more than once I think so far.  Possibly Barlow twice.

The recruitment was poor, very poor indeed with the 14th largest budget. Worse still was the way RW man managed the squad. He knocked the stuffing out of them because he I was not capable it would seem to be calm and composed. The players were playing with fear.

Now GM has got a confidence problem to sort out which ain’t easy when you are bottom of the table and have just conceded 4 goals after being 3-0 up at half time.

I will go back to my original question...How do we know that the club had given Wellens the 14th highest budget in League One?......I'm not saying Wellens was perfect in how he did his job, but when any professional football club has to revert to signing players without a club, its says a lot about the budget....Surely Wellens didn't want to sign players without a club, any manager at this level wouldn't do that if he hadn't got to.....

Which players were signed that were without a club David?

Gardner,Barlow,Doodoo...just to name three....Its bad...

[Campsall rover]

The rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......

Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?

The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...

I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams.

How do we know for a fact that it was the 14th highest budget in League One?..

Because GB has said so publicly. Budgets are monitored against other clubs budgets on a regular basis.

So Gavin Baldwin's word is gospel....This is the man who said the rovers aren't in a relegation fight...

So he is a liar.  We have the 24th largest budget in league 1.  We are in 24th place. So are you happy now.
We are where we are supposed to be.

Good grief man you are something else.

[vaya]

The rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......

Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?

It should have been but Wellens did not use it wisely. That is plainly obvious.
Every team needs a solid spine. We do not have one.
Yes injuries have not helped but we were always short of a proper MR in midfield even with a completely fit squad.
Hiwula has been a disgrace unless there is a genuine reason why he can’t be arsed or do the basics.
Usually there is not an excuse for idleness.

Cukur and Dodoo are simply no where near the standard of footballer at this level so even a fit Okinheberhie we would have no back up at all.

Smith although improving is totally inexperienced at League level.
So with the plan RW had of playing Rowe at left back we had Close and Galbraith with Bostock in midfield.
Bostock is injury prone and can’t run or tackle so has only one string to his bow which is passing.

So we were obviously going to be short in midfield. Now Close is injured.
Williams proved a poor signing at centre back and Knoyle badly underperformed while RW was in charge.
Way below his standard last season at Cambridge.

Gardener, Barlow and Vilca were last min panic signings to get the numbers up.
All have not reached full fitness and are unable it would seem to stay fit. None have played a full 90 mins more than once I think so far.  Possibly Barlow twice.

The recruitment was poor, very poor indeed with the 14th largest budget. Worse still was the way RW man managed the squad. He knocked the stuffing out of them because he I was not capable it would seem to be calm and composed. The players were playing with fear.

Now GM has got a confidence problem to sort out which ain’t easy when you are bottom of the table and have just conceded 4 goals after being 3-0 up at half time.

I will go back to my original question...How do we know that the club had given Wellens the 14th highest budget in League One?......I'm not saying Wellens was perfect in how he did his job, but when any professional football club has to revert to signing players without a club, its says a lot about the budget....Surely Wellens didn't want to sign players without a club, any manager at this level wouldn't do that if he hadn't got to.....

Which players were signed that were without a club David?

Gardner,Barlow,Doodoo...just to name three....Its bad...

On that basis, Rowe, Close, Hiwula, Knoyle, Williams were all also 'without a club' when they signed.....

[David Pearson]

The rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......

Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?

It should have been but Wellens did not use it wisely. That is plainly obvious.
Every team needs a solid spine. We do not have one.
Yes injuries have not helped but we were always short of a proper MR in midfield even with a completely fit squad.
Hiwula has been a disgrace unless there is a genuine reason why he can’t be arsed or do the basics.
Usually there is not an excuse for idleness.

Cukur and Dodoo are simply no where near the standard of footballer at this level so even a fit Okinheberhie we would have no back up at all.

Smith although improving is totally inexperienced at League level.
So with the plan RW had of playing Rowe at left back we had Close and Galbraith with Bostock in midfield.
Bostock is injury prone and can’t run or tackle so has only one string to his bow which is passing.

So we were obviously going to be short in midfield. Now Close is injured.
Williams proved a poor signing at centre back and Knoyle badly underperformed while RW was in charge.
Way below his standard last season at Cambridge.

Gardener, Barlow and Vilca were last min panic signings to get the numbers up.
All have not reached full fitness and are unable it would seem to stay fit. None have played a full 90 mins more than once I think so far.  Possibly Barlow twice.

The recruitment was poor, very poor indeed with the 14th largest budget. Worse still was the way RW man managed the squad. He knocked the stuffing out of them because he I was not capable it would seem to be calm and composed. The players were playing with fear.

Now GM has got a confidence problem to sort out which ain’t easy when you are bottom of the table and have just conceded 4 goals after being 3-0 up at half time.

I will go back to my original question...How do we know that the club had given Wellens the 14th highest budget in League One?......I'm not saying Wellens was perfect in how he did his job, but when any professional football club has to revert to signing players without a club, its says a lot about the budget....Surely Wellens didn't want to sign players without a club, any manager at this level wouldn't do that if he hadn't got to.....

Which players were signed that were without a club David?

Gardner,Barlow,Doodoo...just to name three....Its bad...

On that basis, Rowe, Close, Hiwula, Knoyle, Williams were all also 'without a club' when they signed.....

I didn't mention those names, you did.....

[David Pearson]

The rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......

Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?

The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...

I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams.

How do we know for a fact that it was the 14th highest budget in League One?..

Because GB has said so publicly. Budgets are monitored against other clubs budgets on a regular basis.

So Gavin Baldwin's word is gospel....This is the man who said the rovers aren't in a relegation fight...

So he is a liar.  We have the 24th largest budget in league 1.  We are in 24th place. So are you happy now.
We are where we are supposed to be.

Good grief man you are something else.

I didn't say "we have the 24th highest budget in League One ", you did......Just look at the calibre of player Doncaster Rovers Football Club have brought in.....No manager wants to sign players who don't have a club, if they don't need to.....If any football clubat a professional level should not have to sign players without a club...If these players are without a club then they aren't of a good standard are they?.....No other club wanted these players, but the rovers signed them , maybe a desperate measure...