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Quote from: vaya on January 04, 2022, 06:08:50 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:03:34 pmQuote from: vaya on January 04, 2022, 06:01:06 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:58:22 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 05:49:26 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?It should have been but Wellens did not use it wisely. That is plainly obvious. Every team needs a solid spine. We do not have one. Yes injuries have not helped but we were always short of a proper MR in midfield even with a completely fit squad. Hiwula has been a disgrace unless there is a genuine reason why he can’t be arsed or do the basics. Usually there is not an excuse for idleness. Cukur and Dodoo are simply no where near the standard of footballer at this level so even a fit Okinheberhie we would have no back up at all. Smith although improving is totally inexperienced at League level. So with the plan RW had of playing Rowe at left back we had Close and Galbraith with Bostock in midfield.Bostock is injury prone and can’t run or tackle so has only one string to his bow which is passing. So we were obviously going to be short in midfield. Now Close is injured. Williams proved a poor signing at centre back and Knoyle badly underperformed while RW was in charge. Way below his standard last season at Cambridge.Gardener, Barlow and Vilca were last min panic signings to get the numbers up. All have not reached full fitness and are unable it would seem to stay fit. None have played a full 90 mins more than once I think so far. Possibly Barlow twice. The recruitment was poor, very poor indeed with the 14th largest budget. Worse still was the way RW man managed the squad. He knocked the stuffing out of them because he I was not capable it would seem to be calm and composed. The players were playing with fear. Now GM has got a confidence problem to sort out which ain’t easy when you are bottom of the table and have just conceded 4 goals after being 3-0 up at half time.I will go back to my original question...How do we know that the club had given Wellens the 14th highest budget in League One?......I'm not saying Wellens was perfect in how he did his job, but when any professional football club has to revert to signing players without a club, its says a lot about the budget....Surely Wellens didn't want to sign players without a club, any manager at this level wouldn't do that if he hadn't got to.....Which players were signed that were without a club David?Gardner,Barlow,Doodoo...just to name three....Its bad...On that basis, Rowe, Close, Hiwula, Knoyle, Williams were all also 'without a club' when they signed.....I didn't mention those names, you did.....
Quote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:03:34 pmQuote from: vaya on January 04, 2022, 06:01:06 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:58:22 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 05:49:26 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?It should have been but Wellens did not use it wisely. That is plainly obvious. Every team needs a solid spine. We do not have one. Yes injuries have not helped but we were always short of a proper MR in midfield even with a completely fit squad. Hiwula has been a disgrace unless there is a genuine reason why he can’t be arsed or do the basics. Usually there is not an excuse for idleness. Cukur and Dodoo are simply no where near the standard of footballer at this level so even a fit Okinheberhie we would have no back up at all. Smith although improving is totally inexperienced at League level. So with the plan RW had of playing Rowe at left back we had Close and Galbraith with Bostock in midfield.Bostock is injury prone and can’t run or tackle so has only one string to his bow which is passing. So we were obviously going to be short in midfield. Now Close is injured. Williams proved a poor signing at centre back and Knoyle badly underperformed while RW was in charge. Way below his standard last season at Cambridge.Gardener, Barlow and Vilca were last min panic signings to get the numbers up. All have not reached full fitness and are unable it would seem to stay fit. None have played a full 90 mins more than once I think so far. Possibly Barlow twice. The recruitment was poor, very poor indeed with the 14th largest budget. Worse still was the way RW man managed the squad. He knocked the stuffing out of them because he I was not capable it would seem to be calm and composed. The players were playing with fear. Now GM has got a confidence problem to sort out which ain’t easy when you are bottom of the table and have just conceded 4 goals after being 3-0 up at half time.I will go back to my original question...How do we know that the club had given Wellens the 14th highest budget in League One?......I'm not saying Wellens was perfect in how he did his job, but when any professional football club has to revert to signing players without a club, its says a lot about the budget....Surely Wellens didn't want to sign players without a club, any manager at this level wouldn't do that if he hadn't got to.....Which players were signed that were without a club David?Gardner,Barlow,Doodoo...just to name three....Its bad...On that basis, Rowe, Close, Hiwula, Knoyle, Williams were all also 'without a club' when they signed.....
Quote from: vaya on January 04, 2022, 06:01:06 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:58:22 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 05:49:26 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?It should have been but Wellens did not use it wisely. That is plainly obvious. Every team needs a solid spine. We do not have one. Yes injuries have not helped but we were always short of a proper MR in midfield even with a completely fit squad. Hiwula has been a disgrace unless there is a genuine reason why he can’t be arsed or do the basics. Usually there is not an excuse for idleness. Cukur and Dodoo are simply no where near the standard of footballer at this level so even a fit Okinheberhie we would have no back up at all. Smith although improving is totally inexperienced at League level. So with the plan RW had of playing Rowe at left back we had Close and Galbraith with Bostock in midfield.Bostock is injury prone and can’t run or tackle so has only one string to his bow which is passing. So we were obviously going to be short in midfield. Now Close is injured. Williams proved a poor signing at centre back and Knoyle badly underperformed while RW was in charge. Way below his standard last season at Cambridge.Gardener, Barlow and Vilca were last min panic signings to get the numbers up. All have not reached full fitness and are unable it would seem to stay fit. None have played a full 90 mins more than once I think so far. Possibly Barlow twice. The recruitment was poor, very poor indeed with the 14th largest budget. Worse still was the way RW man managed the squad. He knocked the stuffing out of them because he I was not capable it would seem to be calm and composed. The players were playing with fear. Now GM has got a confidence problem to sort out which ain’t easy when you are bottom of the table and have just conceded 4 goals after being 3-0 up at half time.I will go back to my original question...How do we know that the club had given Wellens the 14th highest budget in League One?......I'm not saying Wellens was perfect in how he did his job, but when any professional football club has to revert to signing players without a club, its says a lot about the budget....Surely Wellens didn't want to sign players without a club, any manager at this level wouldn't do that if he hadn't got to.....Which players were signed that were without a club David?Gardner,Barlow,Doodoo...just to name three....Its bad...
Quote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:58:22 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 05:49:26 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?It should have been but Wellens did not use it wisely. That is plainly obvious. Every team needs a solid spine. We do not have one. Yes injuries have not helped but we were always short of a proper MR in midfield even with a completely fit squad. Hiwula has been a disgrace unless there is a genuine reason why he can’t be arsed or do the basics. Usually there is not an excuse for idleness. Cukur and Dodoo are simply no where near the standard of footballer at this level so even a fit Okinheberhie we would have no back up at all. Smith although improving is totally inexperienced at League level. So with the plan RW had of playing Rowe at left back we had Close and Galbraith with Bostock in midfield.Bostock is injury prone and can’t run or tackle so has only one string to his bow which is passing. So we were obviously going to be short in midfield. Now Close is injured. Williams proved a poor signing at centre back and Knoyle badly underperformed while RW was in charge. Way below his standard last season at Cambridge.Gardener, Barlow and Vilca were last min panic signings to get the numbers up. All have not reached full fitness and are unable it would seem to stay fit. None have played a full 90 mins more than once I think so far. Possibly Barlow twice. The recruitment was poor, very poor indeed with the 14th largest budget. Worse still was the way RW man managed the squad. He knocked the stuffing out of them because he I was not capable it would seem to be calm and composed. The players were playing with fear. Now GM has got a confidence problem to sort out which ain’t easy when you are bottom of the table and have just conceded 4 goals after being 3-0 up at half time.I will go back to my original question...How do we know that the club had given Wellens the 14th highest budget in League One?......I'm not saying Wellens was perfect in how he did his job, but when any professional football club has to revert to signing players without a club, its says a lot about the budget....Surely Wellens didn't want to sign players without a club, any manager at this level wouldn't do that if he hadn't got to.....Which players were signed that were without a club David?
Quote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 05:49:26 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?It should have been but Wellens did not use it wisely. That is plainly obvious. Every team needs a solid spine. We do not have one. Yes injuries have not helped but we were always short of a proper MR in midfield even with a completely fit squad. Hiwula has been a disgrace unless there is a genuine reason why he can’t be arsed or do the basics. Usually there is not an excuse for idleness. Cukur and Dodoo are simply no where near the standard of footballer at this level so even a fit Okinheberhie we would have no back up at all. Smith although improving is totally inexperienced at League level. So with the plan RW had of playing Rowe at left back we had Close and Galbraith with Bostock in midfield.Bostock is injury prone and can’t run or tackle so has only one string to his bow which is passing. So we were obviously going to be short in midfield. Now Close is injured. Williams proved a poor signing at centre back and Knoyle badly underperformed while RW was in charge. Way below his standard last season at Cambridge.Gardener, Barlow and Vilca were last min panic signings to get the numbers up. All have not reached full fitness and are unable it would seem to stay fit. None have played a full 90 mins more than once I think so far. Possibly Barlow twice. The recruitment was poor, very poor indeed with the 14th largest budget. Worse still was the way RW man managed the squad. He knocked the stuffing out of them because he I was not capable it would seem to be calm and composed. The players were playing with fear. Now GM has got a confidence problem to sort out which ain’t easy when you are bottom of the table and have just conceded 4 goals after being 3-0 up at half time.I will go back to my original question...How do we know that the club had given Wellens the 14th highest budget in League One?......I'm not saying Wellens was perfect in how he did his job, but when any professional football club has to revert to signing players without a club, its says a lot about the budget....Surely Wellens didn't want to sign players without a club, any manager at this level wouldn't do that if he hadn't got to.....
Quote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?It should have been but Wellens did not use it wisely. That is plainly obvious. Every team needs a solid spine. We do not have one. Yes injuries have not helped but we were always short of a proper MR in midfield even with a completely fit squad. Hiwula has been a disgrace unless there is a genuine reason why he can’t be arsed or do the basics. Usually there is not an excuse for idleness. Cukur and Dodoo are simply no where near the standard of footballer at this level so even a fit Okinheberhie we would have no back up at all. Smith although improving is totally inexperienced at League level. So with the plan RW had of playing Rowe at left back we had Close and Galbraith with Bostock in midfield.Bostock is injury prone and can’t run or tackle so has only one string to his bow which is passing. So we were obviously going to be short in midfield. Now Close is injured. Williams proved a poor signing at centre back and Knoyle badly underperformed while RW was in charge. Way below his standard last season at Cambridge.Gardener, Barlow and Vilca were last min panic signings to get the numbers up. All have not reached full fitness and are unable it would seem to stay fit. None have played a full 90 mins more than once I think so far. Possibly Barlow twice. The recruitment was poor, very poor indeed with the 14th largest budget. Worse still was the way RW man managed the squad. He knocked the stuffing out of them because he I was not capable it would seem to be calm and composed. The players were playing with fear. Now GM has got a confidence problem to sort out which ain’t easy when you are bottom of the table and have just conceded 4 goals after being 3-0 up at half time.
Quote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?
The rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......
Quote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:14:22 pmQuote from: vaya on January 04, 2022, 06:08:50 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:03:34 pmQuote from: vaya on January 04, 2022, 06:01:06 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:58:22 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 05:49:26 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?It should have been but Wellens did not use it wisely. That is plainly obvious. Every team needs a solid spine. We do not have one. Yes injuries have not helped but we were always short of a proper MR in midfield even with a completely fit squad. Hiwula has been a disgrace unless there is a genuine reason why he can’t be arsed or do the basics. Usually there is not an excuse for idleness. Cukur and Dodoo are simply no where near the standard of footballer at this level so even a fit Okinheberhie we would have no back up at all. Smith although improving is totally inexperienced at League level. So with the plan RW had of playing Rowe at left back we had Close and Galbraith with Bostock in midfield.Bostock is injury prone and can’t run or tackle so has only one string to his bow which is passing. So we were obviously going to be short in midfield. Now Close is injured. Williams proved a poor signing at centre back and Knoyle badly underperformed while RW was in charge. Way below his standard last season at Cambridge.Gardener, Barlow and Vilca were last min panic signings to get the numbers up. All have not reached full fitness and are unable it would seem to stay fit. None have played a full 90 mins more than once I think so far. Possibly Barlow twice. The recruitment was poor, very poor indeed with the 14th largest budget. Worse still was the way RW man managed the squad. He knocked the stuffing out of them because he I was not capable it would seem to be calm and composed. The players were playing with fear. Now GM has got a confidence problem to sort out which ain’t easy when you are bottom of the table and have just conceded 4 goals after being 3-0 up at half time.I will go back to my original question...How do we know that the club had given Wellens the 14th highest budget in League One?......I'm not saying Wellens was perfect in how he did his job, but when any professional football club has to revert to signing players without a club, its says a lot about the budget....Surely Wellens didn't want to sign players without a club, any manager at this level wouldn't do that if he hadn't got to.....Which players were signed that were without a club David?Gardner,Barlow,Doodoo...just to name three....Its bad...On that basis, Rowe, Close, Hiwula, Knoyle, Williams were all also 'without a club' when they signed.....I didn't mention those names, you did.....So presumably any team or manager that signs a player who is out of contract is being forced into it then?
Quote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 06:07:27 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:01:02 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 05:51:45 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:40:36 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:38:01 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:28:19 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams. How do we know for a fact that it was the 14th highest budget in League One?..Because GB has said so publicly. Budgets are monitored against other clubs budgets on a regular basis. So Gavin Baldwin's word is gospel....This is the man who said the rovers aren't in a relegation fight...So he is a liar. We have the 24th largest budget in league 1. We are in 24th place. So are you happy now. We are where we are supposed to be. Good grief man you are something else. I didn't say "we have the 24th highest budget in League One ", you did......Just look at the calibre of player Doncaster Rovers Football Club have brought in.....No manager wants to sign players who don't have a club, if they don't need to.....If any football clubat a professional level should not have to sign players without a club...If these players are without a club then they aren't of a good standard are they?.....No other club wanted these players, but the rovers signed them , maybe a desperate measure...
Quote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:01:02 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 05:51:45 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:40:36 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:38:01 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:28:19 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams. How do we know for a fact that it was the 14th highest budget in League One?..Because GB has said so publicly. Budgets are monitored against other clubs budgets on a regular basis. So Gavin Baldwin's word is gospel....This is the man who said the rovers aren't in a relegation fight...So he is a liar. We have the 24th largest budget in league 1. We are in 24th place. So are you happy now. We are where we are supposed to be. Good grief man you are something else.
Quote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 05:51:45 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:40:36 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:38:01 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:28:19 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams. How do we know for a fact that it was the 14th highest budget in League One?..Because GB has said so publicly. Budgets are monitored against other clubs budgets on a regular basis. So Gavin Baldwin's word is gospel....This is the man who said the rovers aren't in a relegation fight...
Quote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:40:36 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:38:01 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:28:19 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams. How do we know for a fact that it was the 14th highest budget in League One?..Because GB has said so publicly. Budgets are monitored against other clubs budgets on a regular basis.
Quote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:38:01 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:28:19 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams. How do we know for a fact that it was the 14th highest budget in League One?..
Quote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:28:19 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams.
Quote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...
Quote from: vaya on January 04, 2022, 06:33:17 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:14:22 pmQuote from: vaya on January 04, 2022, 06:08:50 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:03:34 pmQuote from: vaya on January 04, 2022, 06:01:06 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:58:22 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 05:49:26 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?It should have been but Wellens did not use it wisely. That is plainly obvious. Every team needs a solid spine. We do not have one. Yes injuries have not helped but we were always short of a proper MR in midfield even with a completely fit squad. Hiwula has been a disgrace unless there is a genuine reason why he can’t be arsed or do the basics. Usually there is not an excuse for idleness. Cukur and Dodoo are simply no where near the standard of footballer at this level so even a fit Okinheberhie we would have no back up at all. Smith although improving is totally inexperienced at League level. So with the plan RW had of playing Rowe at left back we had Close and Galbraith with Bostock in midfield.Bostock is injury prone and can’t run or tackle so has only one string to his bow which is passing. So we were obviously going to be short in midfield. Now Close is injured. Williams proved a poor signing at centre back and Knoyle badly underperformed while RW was in charge. Way below his standard last season at Cambridge.Gardener, Barlow and Vilca were last min panic signings to get the numbers up. All have not reached full fitness and are unable it would seem to stay fit. None have played a full 90 mins more than once I think so far. Possibly Barlow twice. The recruitment was poor, very poor indeed with the 14th largest budget. Worse still was the way RW man managed the squad. He knocked the stuffing out of them because he I was not capable it would seem to be calm and composed. The players were playing with fear. Now GM has got a confidence problem to sort out which ain’t easy when you are bottom of the table and have just conceded 4 goals after being 3-0 up at half time.I will go back to my original question...How do we know that the club had given Wellens the 14th highest budget in League One?......I'm not saying Wellens was perfect in how he did his job, but when any professional football club has to revert to signing players without a club, its says a lot about the budget....Surely Wellens didn't want to sign players without a club, any manager at this level wouldn't do that if he hadn't got to.....Which players were signed that were without a club David?Gardner,Barlow,Doodoo...just to name three....Its bad...On that basis, Rowe, Close, Hiwula, Knoyle, Williams were all also 'without a club' when they signed.....I didn't mention those names, you did.....So presumably any team or manager that signs a player who is out of contract is being forced into it then?I expect the truth lays somewhere between what each of you are saying. What seems self evident, however and has been stated by numerous contributors on here of late is that the club has systematically eroded the playing budget over recent years, it goes back far beyond Richie Wellens' reign. And people can play petty point-scoring but the fact that when so many of Wellens' signings were unattached it's a fair indication that there were budgetary reasons they were chosen. Proven by the 'no more signings until players (Bogle/Williams) leave' debacle.
Quote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 06:07:27 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:01:02 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 05:51:45 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:40:36 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:38:01 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:28:19 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams. How do we know for a fact that it was the 14th highest budget in League One?..Because GB has said so publicly. Budgets are monitored against other clubs budgets on a regular basis. So Gavin Baldwin's word is gospel....This is the man who said the rovers aren't in a relegation fight...So he is a liar. We have the 24th largest budget in league 1. We are in 24th place. So are you happy now. We are where we are supposed to be. Good grief man you are something else. I didn't say "we have the 24th highest budget in League One ", you did......Just look at the calibre of player Doncaster Rovers Football Club have brought in.....No manager wants to sign players who don't have a club, if they don't need to.....If any football clubat a professional level should not have to sign players without a club...If these players are without a club then they aren't of a good standard are they?.....No other club wanted these players, but the rovers signed them , maybe a desperate measure...
Quote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:26:03 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 06:07:27 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:01:02 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 05:51:45 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:40:36 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:38:01 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:28:19 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams. How do we know for a fact that it was the 14th highest budget in League One?..Because GB has said so publicly. Budgets are monitored against other clubs budgets on a regular basis. So Gavin Baldwin's word is gospel....This is the man who said the rovers aren't in a relegation fight...So he is a liar. We have the 24th largest budget in league 1. We are in 24th place. So are you happy now. We are where we are supposed to be. Good grief man you are something else. I didn't say "we have the 24th highest budget in League One ", you did......Just look at the calibre of player Doncaster Rovers Football Club have brought in.....No manager wants to sign players who don't have a club, if they don't need to.....If any football clubat a professional level should not have to sign players without a club...If these players are without a club then they aren't of a good standard are they?.....No other club wanted these players, but the rovers signed them , maybe a desperate measure...You seem to know. You tell us then where does our budget lie between 15th and 24th come on clever you are saying GB is lying so you must know. Do you think RW would have taken the job if he had not been given a budget he would thought to have been enough to stabilise us somewhere mid table this season. Yes there were some desperate signings at the end of the window because he had blown the budget on those he did sign earlier. That is plainly obvious. Yes the injuries to Ferji and Tayls were far worse than he was told so some mitigating circumstances there I agree. The injuries we have had since have been crippling again I agree but why are we getting so many of them? It is a fact injuries last so much longer when your bottom of the league. I have my doubts about the bottle of some of our squad. No names but tell you what if they were not paid some of them would recover an awful lot quicker I suspect.
The rovers are shopping at the bargain basement...Even recently Gavin Baldwin has been talking of substantial funds available for Mcsheffrey, then all of a sudden potential signings are named, then the next minute it's been said we can't afford that playeror the other player......I'm hope I'm wrong but I don't expect anything different from this transfer window, than we saw previously....
No one appears to be taking into account that, players their agents and clubs know we are desperate to sign players so therefore hike their wage demands/fees up
Quote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 07:00:49 pmThe rovers are shopping at the bargain basement...Even recently Gavin Baldwin has been talking of substantial funds available for Mcsheffrey, then all of a sudden potential signings are named, then the next minute it's been said we can't afford that playeror the other player......I'm hope I'm wrong but I don't expect anything different from this transfer window, than we saw previously....You didn’t answer the question. You changed the subject. So much garbage spouted without anything to substantiate any of it. Look at Sheffield Wednesdays budget and look where they are in the league. Not top are they, not even in top 6 are they. Will be luck to finish in the top 8 imo. Poor manager, and some poor recruitment. Ipswich where are they in the league. Huge budget for this division. Manager sacked. Charlton same as above. Manager sacked. Portsmouth where are they. ( yes improving recently ) but still mot in top 6. Where as Rotherham, Wycombe, Oxford, Plymouth all smaller clubs doing well.Good managers, great recruitment on very ave league 1 budgets, yes none of those will be top 6 budgets in this league. Wycombe will not be top 12 imo.
Quote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:26:03 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 06:07:27 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:01:02 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 05:51:45 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:40:36 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:38:01 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:28:19 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams. How do we know for a fact that it was the 14th highest budget in League One?..Because GB has said so publicly. Budgets are monitored against other clubs budgets on a regular basis. So Gavin Baldwin's word is gospel....This is the man who said the rovers aren't in a relegation fight...So he is a liar. We have the 24th largest budget in league 1. We are in 24th place. So are you happy now. We are where we are supposed to be. Good grief man you are something else. I didn't say "we have the 24th highest budget in League One ", you did......Just look at the calibre of player Doncaster Rovers Football Club have brought in.....No manager wants to sign players who don't have a club, if they don't need to.....If any football clubat a professional level should not have to sign players without a club...If these players are without a club then they aren't of a good standard are they?.....No other club wanted these players, but the rovers signed them , maybe a desperate measure...I believe Louis Reed was without a club when he was with us pre-season aswell, sure Wellens wanted him but something happened & he ended up at Swindon, knew then we were bargain basement shopping.
That collapse on Saturday will have done tremendous harm to our recruitment plans.If you were a L1 player would you want to come to Rovers having witnessed that.Coming here is almost certain to put a relegation onto a CV and not many good players want that.Young loan players might want to come to us but only to get some first team experience and game time. They won’t give a shit about playing for the shirt or our supporters as they will be going back to their parent clubs at the end of the season.As for players of the quality that we need, we won’t be prepared to pay the wages they will be asking for.People I know in the game have repeatedly told me that Rovers are known for not paying particularly high wages.
Quote from: drfchound on January 04, 2022, 07:58:45 pmThat collapse on Saturday will have done tremendous harm to our recruitment plans.If you were a L1 player would you want to come to Rovers having witnessed that.Coming here is almost certain to put a relegation onto a CV and not many good players want that.Young loan players might want to come to us but only to get some first team experience and game time. They won’t give a shit about playing for the shirt or our supporters as they will be going back to their parent clubs at the end of the season.As for players of the quality that we need, we won’t be prepared to pay the wages they will be asking for.People I know in the game have repeatedly told me that Rovers are known for not paying particularly high wages.Compared to who though hound. Sheff Wed, Sunderland, Ipswich, Portsmouth or Accrington, Crewe, Cheltenham, Burton. Our wages are competitive for League 1.
Quote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 08:23:07 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 04, 2022, 07:58:45 pmThat collapse on Saturday will have done tremendous harm to our recruitment plans.If you were a L1 player would you want to come to Rovers having witnessed that.Coming here is almost certain to put a relegation onto a CV and not many good players want that.Young loan players might want to come to us but only to get some first team experience and game time. They won’t give a shit about playing for the shirt or our supporters as they will be going back to their parent clubs at the end of the season.As for players of the quality that we need, we won’t be prepared to pay the wages they will be asking for.People I know in the game have repeatedly told me that Rovers are known for not paying particularly high wages.Compared to who though hound. Sheff Wed, Sunderland, Ipswich, Portsmouth or Accrington, Crewe, Cheltenham, Burton. Our wages are competitive for League 1. Now neither you or I know whether that is factual mate, do we.
Quote from: drfchound on January 04, 2022, 08:24:09 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 08:23:07 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 04, 2022, 07:58:45 pmThat collapse on Saturday will have done tremendous harm to our recruitment plans.If you were a L1 player would you want to come to Rovers having witnessed that.Coming here is almost certain to put a relegation onto a CV and not many good players want that.Young loan players might want to come to us but only to get some first team experience and game time. They won’t give a shit about playing for the shirt or our supporters as they will be going back to their parent clubs at the end of the season.As for players of the quality that we need, we won’t be prepared to pay the wages they will be asking for.People I know in the game have repeatedly told me that Rovers are known for not paying particularly high wages.Compared to who though hound. Sheff Wed, Sunderland, Ipswich, Portsmouth or Accrington, Crewe, Cheltenham, Burton. Our wages are competitive for League 1. Now neither you or I know whether that is factual mate, do we.Well unless GB is lying then we do. Our budget is 14th highest in League 1. So 13 higher and 10 lower. So competitive.
Quote from: drfchound on January 04, 2022, 07:58:45 pmThat collapse on Saturday will have done tremendous harm to our recruitment plans.If you were a L1 player would you want to come to Rovers having witnessed that.Coming here is almost certain to put a relegation onto a CV and not many good players want that.Young loan players might want to come to us but only to get some first team experience and game time. They won’t give a shit about playing for the shirt or our supporters as they will be going back to their parent clubs at the end of the season.As for players of the quality that we need, we won’t be prepared to pay the wages they will be asking for.People I know in the game have repeatedly told me that Rovers are known for not paying particularly high wages.Sunday
So what about a club that signs decent players who are then all injured leaving a very different market
Skybet have us at 1/16 to be relegated What do you think are true odds to be relegated are?
So what do you think the squad size should be
Quote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 07:00:49 pmThe rovers are shopping at the bargain basement...Even recently Gavin Baldwin has been talking of substantial funds available for Mcsheffrey, then all of a sudden potential signings are named, then the next minute it's been said we can't afford that playeror the other player......I'm hope I'm wrong but I don't expect anything different from this transfer window, than we saw previously....You didn’t answer the question. You changed the subject. So much garbage spouted without anything to substantiate any of it. Look at Sheffield Wednesdays budget and look where they are in the league. Not top are they, not even in top 6 are they. Will be luck to finish in the top 8 imo. Poor manager, and some poor recruitment. Quote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 07:28:44 pmQuote from: Lesonthewest on January 04, 2022, 06:53:00 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:26:03 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 06:07:27 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:01:02 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 05:51:45 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:40:36 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:38:01 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:28:19 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams. How do we know for a fact that it was the 14th highest budget in League One?..Because GB has said so publicly. Budgets are monitored against other clubs budgets on a regular basis. So Gavin Baldwin's word is gospel....This is the man who said the rovers aren't in a relegation fight...So he is a liar. We have the 24th largest budget in league 1. We are in 24th place. So are you happy now. We are where we are supposed to be. Good grief man you are something else. I didn't say "we have the 24th highest budget in League One ", you did......Just look at the calibre of player Doncaster Rovers Football Club have brought in.....No manager wants to sign players who don't have a club, if they don't need to.....If any football clubat a professional level should not have to sign players without a club...If these players are without a club then they aren't of a good standard are they?.....No other club wanted these players, but the rovers signed them , maybe a desperate measure...I believe Louis Reed was without a club when he was with us pre-season aswell, sure Wellens wanted him but something happened & he ended up at Swindon, knew then we were bargain basement shopping.Louis Reed was not good enough. The Harrogate Town midfield made him look very ave and that is being complimentary to him. Ipswich where are they in the league. Huge budget for this division. Manager sacked. Charlton same as above. Manager sacked. Portsmouth where are they. ( yes improving recently ) but still mot in top 6. Where as Rotherham, Wycombe, Oxford, Plymouth all smaller clubs doing well.Good managers, great recruitment on very ave league 1 budgets, yes none of those will be top 6 budgets in this league. Wycombe will not be top 12 imo.
Quote from: Lesonthewest on January 04, 2022, 06:53:00 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:26:03 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 06:07:27 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:01:02 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 05:51:45 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:40:36 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:38:01 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:28:19 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams. How do we know for a fact that it was the 14th highest budget in League One?..Because GB has said so publicly. Budgets are monitored against other clubs budgets on a regular basis. So Gavin Baldwin's word is gospel....This is the man who said the rovers aren't in a relegation fight...So he is a liar. We have the 24th largest budget in league 1. We are in 24th place. So are you happy now. We are where we are supposed to be. Good grief man you are something else. I didn't say "we have the 24th highest budget in League One ", you did......Just look at the calibre of player Doncaster Rovers Football Club have brought in.....No manager wants to sign players who don't have a club, if they don't need to.....If any football clubat a professional level should not have to sign players without a club...If these players are without a club then they aren't of a good standard are they?.....No other club wanted these players, but the rovers signed them , maybe a desperate measure...I believe Louis Reed was without a club when he was with us pre-season aswell, sure Wellens wanted him but something happened & he ended up at Swindon, knew then we were bargain basement shopping.Louis Reed was not good enough. The Harrogate Town midfield made him look very ave and that is being complimentary to him.
Quote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:26:03 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 06:07:27 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:01:02 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 05:51:45 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:40:36 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:38:01 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:28:19 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams. How do we know for a fact that it was the 14th highest budget in League One?..Because GB has said so publicly. Budgets are monitored against other clubs budgets on a regular basis. So Gavin Baldwin's word is gospel....This is the man who said the rovers aren't in a relegation fight...So he is a liar. We have the 24th largest budget in league 1. We are in 24th place. So are you happy now. We are where we are supposed to be. Good grief man you are something else. I didn't say "we have the 24th highest budget in League One ", you did......Just look at the calibre of player Doncaster Rovers Football Club have brought in.....No manager wants to sign players who don't have a club, if they don't need to.....If any football clubat a professional level should not have to sign players without a club...If these players are without a club then they aren't of a good standard are they?.....No other club wanted these players, but the rovers signed them , maybe a desperate measure...I believe Louis Reed was without a club when he was with us pre-season aswell, sure Wellens wanted him but something happened & he ended up at Swindon, knew then we were bargain basement shopping.
Quote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 06:07:27 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 06:01:02 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on January 04, 2022, 05:51:45 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:40:36 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:38:01 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 05:28:19 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 04, 2022, 05:14:48 pmQuote from: David Pearson on January 04, 2022, 09:28:12 amThe rot set in long before Richie Wellens came to the club....The board talked about a rebuild...you can't do any rebuild without proper resources.....No manager can do any rebuild without the proper tools for a rebuild....The fact is football today is all about money and if the manager has been instructed to do a rebuild then he needs a budget to do that rebuild....The calibre of players at the club is down to the budget, what else can it be down to...Blame the manager all you want but who runs the club, who sets the budget and under who's instructions what direction the club goes....Its the board who set the budget, not the manager....The board keep talking about rebuilds, club identity , but where is the action to back up what they say?....Of course when they appointed Mcsheffrey, the board have to try and plan for every scenario but to appoint a inexperienced manager at this point says a lot about what the board are thinking.....You ask about planning for a May play-off play....well it shouldn't had come to planning for relegation should it?.......Wellens was given the 14th highest budget in League 1. Surely that was enough for a rebuild?The budget set at the start of this season cannot had been good enough, just look at the calibre of player brought in....And before anyone says, it was Wellens who brought these players in..he could only bring in what the budget allowed...I'm pretty sure a 14th highest League 1 budget allows for better players than Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, and Williams. How do we know for a fact that it was the 14th highest budget in League One?..Because GB has said so publicly. Budgets are monitored against other clubs budgets on a regular basis. So Gavin Baldwin's word is gospel....This is the man who said the rovers aren't in a relegation fight...So he is a liar. We have the 24th largest budget in league 1. We are in 24th place. So are you happy now. We are where we are supposed to be. Good grief man you are something else. I didn't say "we have the 24th highest budget in League One ", you did......Just look at the calibre of player Doncaster Rovers Football Club have brought in.....No manager wants to sign players who don't have a club, if they don't need to.....If any football clubat a professional level should not have to sign players without a club...If these players are without a club then they aren't of a good standard are they?.....No other club wanted these players, but the rovers signed them , maybe a desperate measure...