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Jesus... 200 and more years of strife, warfare, death, disease, maiming and poverty all wiped out in a stroke of Axholme's pen. The thought that Mittel Europa is the most obvious of obvious battlegrounds passes him by. As for the thought that war in central Europe directly, obviously and viciously impacts GB, well, it clearly doesn't matter. Axholme: do you know why Britain declared war in August 1914? In 1701? Do you think those reasons are irrelevant today? They're not. They are crucial to the continued well being of this nation.BobG
Quote from: BobG on July 05, 2022, 10:03:25 pmJesus... 200 and more years of strife, warfare, death, disease, maiming and poverty all wiped out in a stroke of Axholme's pen. The thought that Mittel Europa is the most obvious of obvious battlegrounds passes him by. As for the thought that war in central Europe directly, obviously and viciously impacts GB, well, it clearly doesn't matter. Axholme: do you know why Britain declared war in August 1914? In 1701? Do you think those reasons are irrelevant today? They're not. They are crucial to the continued well being of this nation.BobGInterfering in other peoples business. We didn't need to get involved with either conflict. The Germans have never really wanted a fight with us but we had to get involved. Why can this country not resist poking it's nose in things that are nothing to do with us?
Quote from: Axholme Lion on July 06, 2022, 07:21:49 amQuote from: BobG on July 05, 2022, 10:03:25 pmJesus... 200 and more years of strife, warfare, death, disease, maiming and poverty all wiped out in a stroke of Axholme's pen. The thought that Mittel Europa is the most obvious of obvious battlegrounds passes him by. As for the thought that war in central Europe directly, obviously and viciously impacts GB, well, it clearly doesn't matter. Axholme: do you know why Britain declared war in August 1914? In 1701? Do you think those reasons are irrelevant today? They're not. They are crucial to the continued well being of this nation.BobGInterfering in other peoples business. We didn't need to get involved with either conflict. The Germans have never really wanted a fight with us but we had to get involved. Why can this country not resist poking it's nose in things that are nothing to do with us?Axholme the largest Arms race in history preced the Great War and it raged for about 15 years prior..we did t build all of those Sper Dreadnoughts to have a Tea Dance off Heligoland!
Quote from: Axholme Lion on July 06, 2022, 07:21:49 amQuote from: BobG on July 05, 2022, 10:03:25 pmJesus... 200 and more years of strife, warfare, death, disease, maiming and poverty all wiped out in a stroke of Axholme's pen. The thought that Mittel Europa is the most obvious of obvious battlegrounds passes him by. As for the thought that war in central Europe directly, obviously and viciously impacts GB, well, it clearly doesn't matter. Axholme: do you know why Britain declared war in August 1914? In 1701? Do you think those reasons are irrelevant today? They're not. They are crucial to the continued well being of this nation.BobGInterfering in other peoples business. We didn't need to get involved with either conflict. The Germans have never really wanted a fight with us but we had to get involved. Why can this country not resist poking it's nose in things that are nothing to do with us?We "Got involved" with every German-French conflict for one simple self-interested reason.It always was an still is very much not in our interests to have one potentially hostile power controlling Europe. If they do, we wouldn't be a match for them militarily when they turned on us. For centuries, our European policy was to side with the second/third strongest continental powers against the first in any conflict.So in the Napoleonic Wars, we sided with Russia, Austro-Hungary and Prussia against the French.In the Crimean War we sided with France and the Ottoman Empire against Russia.In WWI, we sided with France and Russia against Germany.Always the same plan - stop any single rival from getting too powerful.Finally, after WWII, the leaders of France and Germany looked at their shattered countries and realised that they had to find a better way, rather than constantly warring. And that was the reason why the EEC/EU came into existence. To make it literally unthinkable that any West/Central European could ever again think it could do better by fighting its neighbours than it could be collaborating with them.It has worked spectacularly well.But anyone who imagines that you could set the countries of Europe back into competing aggressively against each other for national rights and markets, and not run the risk of Europe going up in flames again knows the square root of f**k all about history.
Russia uses incendiary shells to burn Ukranian wheat fields - Putin trying to starve the world to get what he wants:https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1545141325976276999
Quote from: wilts rover on July 07, 2022, 10:39:39 pmRussia uses incendiary shells to burn Ukranian wheat fields - Putin trying to starve the world to get what he wants:https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1545141325976276999Whereas the US just feeds people. Really, why report such meaningless Daily Mail trash?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 08, 2022, 12:19:36 amQuote from: wilts rover on July 07, 2022, 10:39:39 pmRussia uses incendiary shells to burn Ukranian wheat fields - Putin trying to starve the world to get what he wants:https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1545141325976276999Whereas the US just feeds people. Really, why report such meaningless Daily Mail trash?Don't you realise the 'democratic' west is a beacon of good and righteousness on the world? Only those nasty Russians do anything bad.
You CAN picture it can't you?The week after D-Day.AL spouting off about how it's nothing to do with us and we should keep out and let Hitler do what he wants.BRR saying that America is provoking this, and we are responsible for shelling French towns.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 08, 2022, 12:19:36 amQuote from: wilts rover on July 07, 2022, 10:39:39 pmRussia uses incendiary shells to burn Ukranian wheat fields - Putin trying to starve the world to get what he wants:https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1545141325976276999Whereas the US just feeds people. Really, why report such meaningless Daily Mail trash? Said the bloke trotting out Kremlin propoganda about 'human shields' and 'both sides'.
Quote from: wilts rover on July 09, 2022, 07:54:58 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 08, 2022, 12:19:36 amQuote from: wilts rover on July 07, 2022, 10:39:39 pmRussia uses incendiary shells to burn Ukranian wheat fields - Putin trying to starve the world to get what he wants:https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1545141325976276999Whereas the US just feeds people. Really, why report such meaningless Daily Mail trash? Said the bloke trotting out Kremlin propoganda about 'human shields' and 'both sides'.Ah, so you don't believe in the use of human shields. More a Janet and John version of war that you're seeing?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 09, 2022, 10:02:00 amQuote from: wilts rover on July 09, 2022, 07:54:58 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 08, 2022, 12:19:36 amQuote from: wilts rover on July 07, 2022, 10:39:39 pmRussia uses incendiary shells to burn Ukranian wheat fields - Putin trying to starve the world to get what he wants:https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1545141325976276999Whereas the US just feeds people. Really, why report such meaningless Daily Mail trash? Said the bloke trotting out Kremlin propoganda about 'human shields' and 'both sides'.Ah, so you don't believe in the use of human shields. More a Janet and John version of war that you're seeing?Its impossible to have a 'human shield' against an enemy that shoots civilians in the street, fires missles at civilian apartment blocks, shopping centres and schools and drops bombs on marked air raid shelters with children in them.Some strange Kaffkaesque version of the war that only you and the Kremlin are seeing.
Death toll rises to 15 following Russian missile attack on residential apartments in Chasiv Yar yesterday.'A Janet & John version of the war'https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1546089036300812288
It's hard to see where a negotiated cease fire let alone peace will come from.
No. It is emphatically not the point. The point is which side is bestial? Which side started this for personal and national geopolitical advantage? Which side gave treaty guarantees and has now broken them?BobG