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Chesterfield and Gillingham set on experienced managers yet we set on U18 coach as manager U16 coach as his assistant and the academy goal keeping coach as goal keeping coach it says it all about the club. They have backed the selection process they have backed bringing in players yet the results are no better. The club on the football field is no better.
Quote from: steve@dcfd on February 12, 2022, 09:29:37 pmChesterfield and Gillingham set on experienced managers yet we set on U18 coach as manager U16 coach as his assistant and the academy goal keeping coach as goal keeping coach it says it all about the club. They have backed the selection process they have backed bringing in players yet the results are no better. The club on the football field is no better.Everyone has to start somewhere but for the club to set on GM after a poor interim spell in charge and given the perilous situation we were in was insanity. No hindsight actually required. You just don't do it. There is no guarantee that an experienced manager would have done any better of course. Take Keith Hill at Scunny, however, you play the odds and make the most rational decision appropriate to the situation. Which the board failed to do. Had we appointed say Paul Cook and still been like we are now, then at least the board could have turned around and said 'well we went for a safe and experienced pair of hands and backed him with signings, so what more do you want?' But as it is, they made such a reckless and nonsensical gamble and now fans have the ammo to aim their fully loaded weapons at the board. Rightly so in the case of the irrational appointment of GM.Suicidal decision and our relegation was cemented when they offered him the contract.
Quote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on February 12, 2022, 09:35:37 pmQuote from: steve@dcfd on February 12, 2022, 09:29:37 pmChesterfield and Gillingham set on experienced managers yet we set on U18 coach as manager U16 coach as his assistant and the academy goal keeping coach as goal keeping coach it says it all about the club. They have backed the selection process they have backed bringing in players yet the results are no better. The club on the football field is no better.Everyone has to start somewhere but for the club to set on GM after a poor interim spell in charge and given the perilous situation we were in was insanity. No hindsight actually required. You just don't do it. There is no guarantee that an experienced manager would have done any better of course. Take Keith Hill at Scunny, however, you play the odds and make the most rational decision appropriate to the situation. Which the board failed to do. Had we appointed say Paul Cook and still been like we are now, then at least the board could have turned around and said 'well we went for a safe and experienced pair of hands and backed him with signings, so what more do you want?' But as it is, they made such a reckless and nonsensical gamble and now fans have the ammo to aim their fully loaded weapons at the board. Rightly so in the case of the irrational appointment of GM.Suicidal decision and our relegation was cemented when they offered him the contract. Really can’t disagree with this. Pretty honest reflection if truth be told. Mansfield signed Martty Longstaff. We signed Clayton. Enough said really
Terrible. At least we have next season to look forward to can't be any worse
Getting out of a horrific run like we are in isn’t an over night thing. It’s not been a one month to the next thing. You have to bring it out and it comes with gradual improvement over a long period. It’s very unlikely to come during the schedule of games we have this month as I’ve said plenty of times. People need to think longer term.
Quote from: colincramb on February 12, 2022, 10:04:43 pmQuote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on February 12, 2022, 09:35:37 pmQuote from: steve@dcfd on February 12, 2022, 09:29:37 pmChesterfield and Gillingham set on experienced managers yet we set on U18 coach as manager U16 coach as his assistant and the academy goal keeping coach as goal keeping coach it says it all about the club. They have backed the selection process they have backed bringing in players yet the results are no better. The club on the football field is no better.Everyone has to start somewhere but for the club to set on GM after a poor interim spell in charge and given the perilous situation we were in was insanity. No hindsight actually required. You just don't do it. There is no guarantee that an experienced manager would have done any better of course. Take Keith Hill at Scunny, however, you play the odds and make the most rational decision appropriate to the situation. Which the board failed to do. Had we appointed say Paul Cook and still been like we are now, then at least the board could have turned around and said 'well we went for a safe and experienced pair of hands and backed him with signings, so what more do you want?' But as it is, they made such a reckless and nonsensical gamble and now fans have the ammo to aim their fully loaded weapons at the board. Rightly so in the case of the irrational appointment of GM.Suicidal decision and our relegation was cemented when they offered him the contract. Really can’t disagree with this. Pretty honest reflection if truth be told. Mansfield signed Martty Longstaff. We signed Clayton. Enough said reallyMansfield kept JJOT he chose them over us... that says it all.
We must be bad ,even Bogle has scored 2 in 2 games for Hartlepool
Quote from: GazLaz on February 13, 2022, 07:25:25 amGetting out of a horrific run like we are in isn’t an over night thing. It’s not been a one month to the next thing. You have to bring it out and it comes with gradual improvement over a long period. It’s very unlikely to come during the schedule of games we have this month as I’ve said plenty of times. People need to think longer term. That’s all well and good, Gaz. But what is the longer term plan? I’m not sure anybody at the club has one. Certainly not one that’s credible.I’m going to edge my bets now. GM will not get us out of league 2 next season. Even with one of the bigger budgets.
Exeter City are geographically isolated and have to compete with Plymouth and Bristol City for the best talent in their area. They bring through young players every season, play them, improve them which improves the team and reduces the need for spending money on transfers, and generally sell them on at a profit. Us meanwhile..............
Quote from: colincramb on February 13, 2022, 09:36:22 amQuote from: GazLaz on February 13, 2022, 07:25:25 amGetting out of a horrific run like we are in isn’t an over night thing. It’s not been a one month to the next thing. You have to bring it out and it comes with gradual improvement over a long period. It’s very unlikely to come during the schedule of games we have this month as I’ve said plenty of times. People need to think longer term. That’s all well and good, Gaz. But what is the longer term plan? I’m not sure anybody at the club has one. Certainly not one that’s credible.I’m going to edge my bets now. GM will not get us out of league 2 next season. Even with one of the bigger budgets. If we perform next season like we have for the past 12 months I will guarantee you that we get out of L2 next year.
Our biggest problem is no u23s, it is causing the club problems not being able to bring in players from good levels at non league clubs between the u18s and the first team squad who have gone on to good things at other clubs and representative level, The one big decision that has cost the club big time. The situation is if we see a player over the age of 16 who has missed the academy intake start date because it is linked to an educational course unless they are willing like a couple of players who fortunately were on another course at Doncaster Technical College who with the Rovers combined for them to train with the group and are willing to take their chance for nothing when all the players around them are contracted while they play for travel expenses there is no pathway for players. There are no part time pro's nowadays, because of travel costs no amateurs from colleges and universities because they can play non league for decent money and the reason why the standard of non league is so good especially at and near the top levels. So as a club, if we have not signed a player by the time they are 16 to play in our u18s team, we are consigned to bringing in players who have probably been released from other clubs and are deemed not good enough by those clubs and the leap from u18s to first team is massive very few will succeed to do as Hasani Greaves and Ravenhill are finding out. No u23s is the worst decision the club have made, and has been a handicap for our last two managers and Gary McSheffrey at present.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 13, 2022, 12:08:00 pmQuote from: colincramb on February 13, 2022, 09:36:22 amQuote from: GazLaz on February 13, 2022, 07:25:25 amGetting out of a horrific run like we are in isn’t an over night thing. It’s not been a one month to the next thing. You have to bring it out and it comes with gradual improvement over a long period. It’s very unlikely to come during the schedule of games we have this month as I’ve said plenty of times. People need to think longer term. That’s all well and good, Gaz. But what is the longer term plan? I’m not sure anybody at the club has one. Certainly not one that’s credible.I’m going to edge my bets now. GM will not get us out of league 2 next season. Even with one of the bigger budgets. If we perform next season like we have for the past 12 months I will guarantee you that we get out of L2 next year. Thankfully, as the resident inveterate optimist, I’m sure you won’t go on about it.
You could argue that the South West is largely a huge rural area and the talent that is there is few and far between and the bigger clubs get first dibs over Exeter. If we aren't able to recruit, produce, develop and use young players in the first team to our benefit and then sell them on, then why do we have one in the first place? It is a waste of resources. Take your point though about the competition in the S.Yorks area. Another issue is our loan signings. Surely as we are so close geographically to many other larger clubs, we can take advantage of their youngsters or cast offs both from a first team loan perspective and from the perspective of adding them to our youth / reserve set ups?For example. We signed Rodrigo Vilca from Newcastle on loan. Pile of shite. Cukur from Watford. Worse than a Cabbage Patch Doll and less mobile etc etc.
Quote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on February 13, 2022, 01:17:04 pmYou could argue that the South West is largely a huge rural area and the talent that is there is few and far between and the bigger clubs get first dibs over Exeter. If we aren't able to recruit, produce, develop and use young players in the first team to our benefit and then sell them on, then why do we have one in the first place? It is a waste of resources. Take your point though about the competition in the S.Yorks area. Another issue is our loan signings. Surely as we are so close geographically to many other larger clubs, we can take advantage of their youngsters or cast offs both from a first team loan perspective and from the perspective of adding them to our youth / reserve set ups?For example. We signed Rodrigo Vilca from Newcastle on loan. Pile of shite. Cukur from Watford. Worse than a Cabbage Patch Doll and less mobile etc etc. 1. Vilca & Cukur are no longer with the club so they're history, why then use them as examples especially as they weren't brought to the club by the present manager?2. We are 'competing' for young talent with the likes of Leeds, Huddersfield, Rotherham, Barnsley & the two Sheffield clubs.3. Name me two 'cast offs' from 'larger clubs' that would enhance our youth set up.
Quote from: rich1471 on February 13, 2022, 10:31:07 amWe must be bad ,even Bogle has scored 2 in 2 games for HartlepoolCreate chances for strikers often enough strikers will score, create chances now and then for them and they won’t score, it’s as simple as that
Quote from: Colin C No.3 on February 13, 2022, 01:34:41 pmQuote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on February 13, 2022, 01:17:04 pmYou could argue that the South West is largely a huge rural area and the talent that is there is few and far between and the bigger clubs get first dibs over Exeter. If we aren't able to recruit, produce, develop and use young players in the first team to our benefit and then sell them on, then why do we have one in the first place? It is a waste of resources. Take your point though about the competition in the S.Yorks area. Another issue is our loan signings. Surely as we are so close geographically to many other larger clubs, we can take advantage of their youngsters or cast offs both from a first team loan perspective and from the perspective of adding them to our youth / reserve set ups?For example. We signed Rodrigo Vilca from Newcastle on loan. Pile of shite. Cukur from Watford. Worse than a Cabbage Patch Doll and less mobile etc etc. 1. Vilca & Cukur are no longer with the club so they're history, why then use them as examples especially as they weren't brought to the club by the present manager?2. We are 'competing' for young talent with the likes of Leeds, Huddersfield, Rotherham, Barnsley & the two Sheffield clubs.3. Name me two 'cast offs' from 'larger clubs' that would enhance our youth set up.It isn't my job to name cast offs from larger clubs. It is the job of the bloke at DRFC paid to find these players and isn't doing so. Vilca & Cukur i have used as examples as they are from clubs that are miles away, plus they were shit. Why can't we find players more local to us? I guess that question maybe partly answered by your second point.My answer to that would be to just scrap the reserves / youth set up as it is an unproductive and unnecessary expense that the club are not benefitting from. I'd rather the club lowered ticket prices for loyal fans and did away with areas of the club that are providing no benefit but is costing money.
Quote from: ColinDouglasHandshake on February 13, 2022, 01:17:04 pmYou could argue that the South West is largely a huge rural area and the talent that is there is few and far between and the bigger clubs get first dibs over Exeter. If we aren't able to recruit, produce, develop and use young players in the first team to our benefit and then sell them on, then why do we have one in the first place? It is a waste of resources. Take your point though about the competition in the S.Yorks area. Another issue is our loan signings. Surely as we are so close geographically to many other larger clubs, we can take advantage of their youngsters or cast offs both from a first team loan perspective and from the perspective of adding them to our youth / reserve set ups?For example. We signed Rodrigo Vilca from Newcastle on loan. Pile of shite. Cukur from Watford. Worse than a Cabbage Patch Doll and less mobile etc etc. 1. Vilca & Cukur are no longer with the club so they're history, why then use them as examples especially as they weren't brought to the club by the present manager?2. We are 'competing' for young talent with the likes of Leeds, Huddersfield, Rotherham, Barnsley & the two Sheffield clubs.3. Name me two 'cast offs' from 'larger clubs' that would enhance our youth set up.
Another gross misinterpretation of a post. Well done.