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Seems A significant number of Labour supporters agree with the move to send asylum seekers to Rwanda
Quote from: albie on April 14, 2022, 08:34:00 pmPud,Yes, there is a solution.1) Open a centre in France to process applications, adequately staffed.2) Deal with applications promptly.3) Allow the 75% who succeed to cross by ferry on receiving approval.4) Advise those who fail (after appeal if relevant) on alternatives (and support) for their situation.5) Make sure that the criteria are fully understood in the countries of origin to prevent pointless attempts.In a nutshell, that is it.Trouble is, the government don't really want to sort it out, they want to use it to appeal to their base.....and deflect from their corruption.They certainly used to do some of this (not public knowledge because politically it's tricky).But it doesn't solve the problem entirely. How do you limit it, is it 75% of 5 million, 5000???
Pud,Yes, there is a solution.1) Open a centre in France to process applications, adequately staffed.2) Deal with applications promptly.3) Allow the 75% who succeed to cross by ferry on receiving approval.4) Advise those who fail (after appeal if relevant) on alternatives (and support) for their situation.5) Make sure that the criteria are fully understood in the countries of origin to prevent pointless attempts.In a nutshell, that is it.Trouble is, the government don't really want to sort it out, they want to use it to appeal to their base.....and deflect from their corruption.
Once again people mixing up economic migration with refugees fleeing war and persectution.As previously posted 75% or those crossing the channel are confirmed as genuine refugees, that is fleeing war and persecution in their home country. The 25% who are not, but are judged to be economic migrants, are returned to their country of origin.It is not, nor ever has been, illegal to seek refugee status in this or in any other democratic country allined to the UN (although the Tories are attempting to change that).It would be helpful when you want to solve 'the problem' you are accurate and truthful on what 'the problem' is.
If those crossing the channel in dinghies are genuine refugees, and not economic migrants, Can someone tell me why 90% of them are young males?
It's worked hasn't it? Crosby's Dead Cat strategy.No-one is talking about Johnson and lies in Parliament any more.
Quote from: wilts rover on April 16, 2022, 09:41:24 amOnce again people mixing up economic migration with refugees fleeing war and persectution.As previously posted 75% or those crossing the channel are confirmed as genuine refugees, that is fleeing war and persecution in their home country. The 25% who are not, but are judged to be economic migrants, are returned to their country of origin.It is not, nor ever has been, illegal to seek refugee status in this or in any other democratic country allined to the UN (although the Tories are attempting to change that).It would be helpful when you want to solve 'the problem' you are accurate and truthful on what 'the problem' is.Wilts, it appears you are taking exception to my post. I'll apologise if what I have said has upset you, it wasn't my intention to be controversial, nor was I conflating economic migration with asylum seeking. I am as disgusted with our government's response to asylum seekers as anyone else and I agree wholeheartedly with every word of condemnation it attracts.I noted a post on here yesterday making remarks to the effect that it is a difficult 'problem' to solve, as though trying to defend the indefensible of the government's decision. Your final remark I do not appreciate. Please explain why you accuse me of being untruthful.
Do you think we will hear about the next fine from Downing Street and then the 1 after that etc etc?
Quote from: normal rules on April 16, 2022, 07:08:14 pmIf those crossing the channel in dinghies are genuine refugees, and not economic migrants, Can someone tell me why 90% of them are young males?How do you think old women would escape from a war zone and travel 4000 miles overland?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 16, 2022, 07:15:31 pmQuote from: normal rules on April 16, 2022, 07:08:14 pmIf those crossing the channel in dinghies are genuine refugees, and not economic migrants, Can someone tell me why 90% of them are young males?How do you think old women would escape from a war zone and travel 4000 miles overland?What about younger women though who could travel 4000 miles overland.Is that a fair question?
Quote from: drfchound on April 16, 2022, 10:59:17 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 16, 2022, 07:15:31 pmQuote from: normal rules on April 16, 2022, 07:08:14 pmIf those crossing the channel in dinghies are genuine refugees, and not economic migrants, Can someone tell me why 90% of them are young males?Here he is to save the day!How do you think old women would escape from a war zone and travel 4000 miles overland?What about younger women though who could travel 4000 miles overland.Is that a fair question?No, it's not really a fair question hound, because BST, in his desperation, has to turn everything into an example of racism in order to pursue his point. You should know that!
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 16, 2022, 07:15:31 pmQuote from: normal rules on April 16, 2022, 07:08:14 pmIf those crossing the channel in dinghies are genuine refugees, and not economic migrants, Can someone tell me why 90% of them are young males?Here he is to save the day!How do you think old women would escape from a war zone and travel 4000 miles overland?What about younger women though who could travel 4000 miles overland.Is that a fair question?
Quote from: normal rules on April 16, 2022, 07:08:14 pmIf those crossing the channel in dinghies are genuine refugees, and not economic migrants, Can someone tell me why 90% of them are young males?Here he is to save the day!How do you think old women would escape from a war zone and travel 4000 miles overland?
The claim that 90% of applications are from young men is incorrect.The Red Cross gives the figure for women and children as 43%, leaving 57% as the figure for men of all ages;https://www.redcross.org.uk/about-us/what-we-do/how-we-support-refugees/find-out-about-refugeesNot that this is relevant to the unlawful decision to use extraordinary rendition against the vulnerable escaping war.Do people really think those fleeing the Ukraine should be off-shored to Rwanda?All those offering support to refugees seem to want them here, and out of harm's way.
Quote from: normal rules on April 16, 2022, 07:08:14 pmIf those crossing the channel in dinghies are genuine refugees, and not economic migrants, Can someone tell me why 90% of them are young males?As has been shown, you are wrong, but what would it matter if they were? a refugee is a refugee.Aug 2021''You have no idea what I do for a living. I work closely with immigration enforcement as part of a partner agency strategy. The uk govt makes no disparity between economic migrants and asylum seekers. They are either illegal entrants or not. It’s that simple.I read no daily rag. I base my comments on real life experience.I have personally been involved in extraditions within the schengen area pre covid.The uk is not the place for tens of thousands of migrants to settle''I would have thought you'd have been across the details of immigration NR?