Rwanda

[drfchound]

Kin ell, somebody taking us further back than Napoleon now.

[wilts rover]

Glyn,

Press coverage suggested it was a one way ticket to Rwanda.
Once there, detainees could apply to remain in Rwanda.

Which raises the probability of a new trafficking route from Rwanda back into Europe....not presumably the aim of the policy.

Completely unlawful under existing legal definitions of responsibilities towards refugees.

It's not been widely reported but Israel tried this exact same 'plan' 5 years ago. They shipped around 4000 migrants to Rwanda - all but 9 escaped and most are thought to have made their way to Europe.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10718481/How-Rwandas-migrant-deal-ended-escapees-claims-slavery.html

[Donnywolf]

Glyn,

Press coverage suggested it was a one way ticket to Rwanda.
Once there, detainees could apply to remain in Rwanda.

Which raises the probability of a new trafficking route from Rwanda back into Europe....not presumably the aim of the policy.

Completely unlawful under existing legal definitions of responsibilities towards refugees.

I thought I had heard Correspondent on Telly say when they got there they applied for Asylum and if "accepted" they would then be housed fed and watered for 5 years

That time would be taken to train them for the jobs they would likely be taking up once allowed into UK

IF they get turned down they will be sent to any Country that will take them or sent ",home"

We will see the details this week and see whether it's just a dead cat to deflect attention from partygate

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's pointless looking at the plans.

None of this is designed or expected to ever happen.

Their shite stirrers in the Press are already on the bus heading to the real destination - the next Culture War battle. The Express and the Ma both screaming from their front page today how the Archbishop of Canterbury is trying to take away your right to shit on an asylum seeker.

[danumdon]

But if airing the "plans" in the first place has the effect of breaking the small boat trafficking then is that not the starting point for then being able to put in place a civilised and regulated refugee package?

[BillyStubbsTears]

It won't. Because the criminals running the boats know this isn't a serious plan to break them.

[ravenrover]

The criminals running the boats, who've already had their money up front, don't give a toss for those on the boats they'll never see them again.

[Glyn_Wigley]

It won't. Because the criminals running the boats know this isn't a serious plan to break them.

Let me guess....any of Boris' mates run an air company that they can throw a few billion at for trafficking them to Rwanda?

[wilts rover]

But if airing the "plans" in the first place has the effect of breaking the small boat trafficking then is that not the starting point for then being able to put in place a civilised and regulated refugee package?

How? 20000 people arrived last year - this plan will remove 100 of them - who's that going to deter?

And as raven has pointed out - it wont stop the trafiickers because it isn't aimed at the traffickers only those who have been trafficked.

It's a complete waste of taxpayers money that I doubt was ever intended to work.

[wilts rover]

It won't. Because the criminals running the boats know this isn't a serious plan to break them.

Let me guess....any of Boris' mates run an air company that they can throw a few billion at for trafficking them to Rwanda?

No but one of them has just bought a large area of land near the airport. What might that be used for:

https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1516084674313048066

[SydneyRover]

As project 'save the lying criminal c***' rolls on are the people of the UK going to accept another distraction while exporting problems to another country.

''Freedom of Expression
State interference and intimidation have forced many civil society actors and journalists to stop working on sensitive political or human rights issues. Most print and broadcast media continued to be heavily dominated by pro-government views. Independent civil society organizations are very weak, and few document and expose human rights violations by state agents''

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/rwanda

[drfchound]

What did the Rwandans ever do for us?   

[SydneyRover]

''There have now been nearly 230 refugees released from onshore detention centres since December 2020 with the Morrison Government refusing to provide reasons as to why some people are released while others, in almost identical situations, remain in detention''

No increase in boat arrivals

[Donnywolf]

There it IS. Send them to Rwanda and if they pass muster ..,. Feed water and house them for 5 years while they become acclimatized to the ways of the UK including training for jobs they might get lol

[SydneyRover]

And another ........

''The home secretary has been accused of misleading parliament after a high court ruling revealed that unpublished parts of a controversial policy to push back migrant dinghies in the Channel said the tactic would not be used against asylum seekers''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/22/priti-patel-accused-misleading-parliament-refugee-pushbacks

[albie]

Latest is that the House of Lords passed the powers to export refugees to Rwanda, in defiance of the Refugees Convention to which the UK is a signatory:
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/ministers-ram-through-six-controversial-laws-last-minute-parliament-prorogues-queens-speech-1599189?ITO=newsnow

This goes through with Labour in the House of Lords choosing to abstain.
Chakrabati had to defy the whip to oppose:
https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1519572437104566272

Utterly disgraceful.
Now it is up to the legal challenge to make Patel obey the law.

[rich1471]

The plane has not taken off ,wounder how much money was wasted on this ,It was a shocking idea in the first place

[SydneyRover]

Estimated to be around ₤120 million paid to Rwanda + ₤500,000 est for the jet plus all the admin and security so far Rich, that's almost enough to keep a family of govt cronies from getting cold and hungry.

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://mobile.twitter.com/LBC/status/1536958701466099717

Job done.

What an utterly disgusting bunch we have running this f**king country.

[rich1471]

Estimated to be around ₤120 million paid to Rwanda + ₤500,000 est for the jet plus all the admin and security so far Rich, that's almost enough to keep a family of govt cronies from getting cold and hungry.

Someone has taken a back hander for the amount of money been given to Rwanda

[albie]

The real agenda here is to provide a justification for replacing the European Human Rights legislation with a watered down UK version that fits the government vision.

Next steps are a press campaign about "lefty lawyers" and "making our own decisions" to smooth the way for repressive restriction of rights.

The poor people on the sharp end of this are just pawns in the game.

[wilts rover]

What has the ECHR ever done for us

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1537000419095879680

[BillyStubbsTears]

The real agenda here is to provide a justification for replacing the European Human Rights legislation with a watered down UK version that fits the government vision.

Next steps are a press campaign about "lefty lawyers" and "making our own decisions" to smooth the way for repressive restriction of rights.

The poor people on the sharp end of this are just pawns in the game.

You're giving them far too much credit Albie. The real agenda is just to stoke up the Culture War. They have f**k all to offer anyone, other than to say "We understand your (fabricated) anger."

[albie]

Not giving them any credit at all, Billy.

The point of stoking up the culture wars is to promote an environment for policies that are sold as a solution to the problem they have created.

I have no doubt that this is an attempt to move the agenda to withdraw from the EHRC, set up by Churchill after WW2.

This response from Labour is just embarrassing:
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1537067008403066880?cxt=HHwWgMCy_ZyT4dQqAAAA

Why can't they just say "Yes, we will repeal this policy"......it really is that simple.

EDIT.
Kinnock has just told the BBC that Labour "will reverse the policy".
Good.....I hope he was defining the position of the Party, not giving a personal opinion.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Albie.
This put your mind at rest?

https://mobile.twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1537052385067016197

[BillyStubbsTears]

Meanwhile, here's a nasty Kitson demonstrating that he's also an ignorant Kitson.

https://mobile.twitter.com/kelvmackenzie/status/1536807489936703491

The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU. It was the brainchild of Winston Churchill as a way to prevent Governments arbitrarily abusing human rights.

[albie]

BST,

Some good points from Cooper about what is wrong with the approach of Patel.
But she fails to say that Labour would rescind the policy......which is presumably why Kinnock was sent out afterwards to say just that, to clear up the obvious omission.

No comment on the plan to remove the UK from the EHRC, which the Tories have been talking up right on cue.
It is very important that Labour commit to remaining part of the EHRC, and do not allow the new default to be a diluted Human Rights Act which fails to protect workers rights or environmental standards.

So no, it does not put my mind at rest until those key issues are addressed...not yet!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Still. You won't be voting Labour and you don't think Labour will win in 2024, so it's a bit of an academic discussion.

[albie]

That's right, personalize it when you don't have a valid point to make.
Would you vote Labour if the offer was inadequate....you told us you did not previously?

All I am saying is make the policy position clear, and do not let the Tories define the terms of the discussion.
Cooper fails to do that, and gives a critique without an alternative solution.....very poor politics.

Labour will not win in 24 without regaining Scottish seats, just my opinion.
If you think they will, explain how that will occur, give us the pathway.

A hung parliament is a possibility, if the Tories lose ground to opponents in the SE.
Many rivers to cross before a GE in 2024.

[scawsby steve]

2024 will be a hung parliament. Then all the sleazy wheeling and dealing will start, to see who can sell the biggest amount of snake oil.