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drfc1951

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #90 on April 23, 2022, 12:38:20 pm by drfc1951 »
I bet Copps thinks its being offensive calling him cheap.



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EasyforDennis

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #91 on April 23, 2022, 12:40:48 pm by EasyforDennis »
I bet Copps thinks its being offensive calling him cheap.

I assume you don't think it is the cheap option then?

Alan Southstand

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #92 on April 23, 2022, 12:51:54 pm by Alan Southstand »
If you listen to Copps interview, he understands perfectly what people have been saying and respects their views.

The cheap jibe is not aimed at him and you know it.

drfc1951

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #93 on April 23, 2022, 12:52:39 pm by drfc1951 »
I have no idea what his wage is,i assume you do.

MachoMadness

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #94 on April 23, 2022, 12:55:18 pm by MachoMadness »
I don't think he's the cheap option. The wage offer would have been along the same lines for everyone. What we should be asking is, is he the right option?

A few bits in his interview give me hope, the first is that he's actually wanted to go into this role for a few years now and has been working towards it, including by enrolling on the fa technical director course. The fact he wants to do this while having no desire to go into management says to me that he views the roles very differently, which is good because they are different. You don't want a coach or a manager for this job, it's a very different skill set.

Bentley Bullet

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #95 on April 23, 2022, 01:01:29 pm by Bentley Bullet »
Good luck to Copps. Maybe he wasn't a cheap option and every applicant was offered the same salary? Having said that though, maybe some of the applicants thought the salary wasn't high enough, leaving the position open to Copps?

EasyforDennis

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #96 on April 23, 2022, 01:17:44 pm by EasyforDennis »
How many clubs below the premiership and Championship have a head of football? I would suggest not many and therefore there won't be a rate for the job. This would allow the board to set the bar low and yes that is possibly why maybe some of the applicants weren't interested.

DRFCSouth

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #97 on April 23, 2022, 01:20:53 pm by DRFCSouth »
There's nothing cheap about it given the role is new and didn't exist previously.

That would suggest it's extra expenditure.

EasyforDennis

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #98 on April 23, 2022, 01:43:51 pm by EasyforDennis »
There's nothing cheap about it given the role is new and didn't exist previously.

That would suggest it's extra expenditure.

So I haven't had dishwasher before and I now decide to purchase one. DI go for the own brand or the Bosch?

roversontheup

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #99 on April 23, 2022, 02:01:31 pm by roversontheup »
There's nothing cheap about it given the role is new and didn't exist previously.

That would suggest it's extra expenditure.

So I haven't had dishwasher before and I now decide to purchase one. DI go for the own brand or the Bosch?

Thing is the Bosch  and the own brand may well be made in same factory. The only difference may just be the name on the front. Sometimes you are just paying over the odds to get a name/badge!

DRFCSouth

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #100 on April 23, 2022, 02:34:48 pm by DRFCSouth »
There's nothing cheap about it given the role is new and didn't exist previously.

That would suggest it's extra expenditure.

So I haven't had dishwasher before and I now decide to purchase one. DI go for the own brand or the Bosch?
Maybe check the reviews of each beforehand.

And why have you waited so long to get one?

i_ateallthepies

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #101 on April 23, 2022, 03:50:26 pm by i_ateallthepies »
Love Copps, I would have him at the club, perhaps not in this capacity.

I am willing to give him time in this job, don't understand how you would otherwise judge success in such a role without time.

How decision-making works at the club now is going to be quite interesting. We have a CEO, Chairman, DOF, head of recruitment, and head coach. Either they stick to their roles and responsibilities or it becomes a camel being designed by a committee kind of situation.

I agree, Copps, decision-making at the club will indeed be quite interesting, particularly since the role is HOF and not DOF.  IIRC the role at DRFC will report to the CEO, who (I believe it was said by Silent Majority recently) has no football operational responsibilities or input.  Thus far, football operational decisions were being made by the Chairman, what will he be doing when JC takes the reigns?

Filo

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #102 on April 23, 2022, 03:58:34 pm by Filo »
There's nothing cheap about it given the role is new and didn't exist previously.

That would suggest it's extra expenditure.

So I haven't had dishwasher before and I now decide to purchase one. DI go for the own brand or the Bosch?

I was so impressed by my dishwasher I married her

PDX_Rover

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #103 on April 23, 2022, 04:55:21 pm by PDX_Rover »
Well, the HOF starts with a 2-0 win.

Sammy Chung was King

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #104 on April 23, 2022, 05:01:56 pm by Sammy Chung was King »
Do not hassle the Hoff.

PDX_Rover

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #105 on April 23, 2022, 05:03:18 pm by PDX_Rover »
Hofmeister (although to be fair, training beer)

Glyn_Wigley

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #106 on April 23, 2022, 05:08:35 pm by Glyn_Wigley »
I bet Copps thinks its being offensive calling him cheap.

I assume you don't think it is the cheap option then?

As we don't know the terms involved what I'm assuming is that you're assuming that he is a so-called 'cheap option'.

Arsenal Of The North

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #107 on April 23, 2022, 05:27:45 pm by Arsenal Of The North »
All over the world, some elite clubs have created this role and given it to an ex player, I don’t see what all the fuss is about.

His success won’t be instant, it’s his job to start to implement change for long term. 

Sammy Chung was King

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« Reply #108 on April 23, 2022, 05:44:34 pm by Sammy Chung was King »
He’s worked his magic already. It’s the stern words he gave them as head of football, before the game.

Spud

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #109 on April 23, 2022, 06:01:54 pm by Spud »
All over the world, some elite clubs have created this role and given it to an ex player, I don’t see what all the fuss is about.

His success won’t be instant, it’s his job to start to implement change for long term. 

Kinda where I'm at on this, if it were any other club & their legend would there be anything like the kind of negativity there is on here? Would people be happier with someone who has no particular affinity for the club & might not hang around that long?
Copps has clearly been working towards this role & am sure has the passion & drive above any other candidate. He knows the club inside out & has seen the successful times as well as the not so, if anyone can work out what's required to get us back why not him? I think after Butler failed lots of folk just think that every internal appointment is gonna do the same, let's give the man a chance, surely we're happier him making footballing decisions than Blunt?

StocksArmy

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #110 on April 23, 2022, 06:02:42 pm by StocksArmy »
Has the full interview been put up yet? I cant find it anywhere

Campsall rover

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #111 on April 23, 2022, 07:03:05 pm by Campsall rover »
The one thing that is cheap is people continually saying cheap option.

It’s pathetic.  No one knows what the salaries are. Anyway how much is cheap and how much is expensive. Someone care to explain that to me please.
Where is the line.


mushRTID

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #112 on April 23, 2022, 07:06:31 pm by mushRTID »
Seen a few whispers on twitter that Graham Younger has left, anyone heard owt?

Campsall rover

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« Reply #113 on April 23, 2022, 07:12:09 pm by Campsall rover »
Seen a few whispers on twitter that Graham Younger has left, anyone heard owt?
Heard the same from someone sat in front of me today. It’s on Twitter but a solid source so I am told.

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #114 on April 23, 2022, 07:18:34 pm by BradwellRover »
I bet Copps thinks its being offensive calling him cheap.

I couldn’t give a flying fig how coppinger feels about any of the comments on this thread- if it bothers him he should never has put his name forward.

He needs to prove why he deserved it in action and results. I hope he succeeds, but his track record as a player has no relevance to this appointment.

Personally, my fear is that he has been passed a poisoned chalice, which will damage his legacy.

He has very little experience outside of the limited DRFC bubble in my opinion. But I hope he proves me wrong.


drfchound

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Re: Copps confirmed as Head of Football Operations
« Reply #115 on April 23, 2022, 07:58:01 pm by drfchound »
Seen a few whispers on twitter that Graham Younger has left, anyone heard owt?

Yes, it was talked about around a week ago.

Sammy Chung was King

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« Reply #116 on April 23, 2022, 08:32:03 pm by Sammy Chung was King »
Nothing against Younger but it hasn’t worked out. We need to be top notch at scouting players.

Branton Red

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« Reply #117 on April 23, 2022, 08:44:29 pm by Branton Red »
I wish Coppinger all the very best in this new role and obviously hope he succeeds.

I don't blame him for taking the opportunity on just as I don't blame McSheffrey for taking on the manager's role.

However I will criticise the Board here. We desparately needed someone with experience and a proven track record to sort out the mess the club is in on the playing side.

Just as we needed a manager with experience in the summer when the squad was being overhauled; just as we needed a manager with a good track record in December to get us out of the mess we were in.

I think the experience of McCann's then Moore's departures has led the club down the road of appointing people they think will stay long term due to perceived loyalty (Butler, Wellens, McSheffrey, now Coppinger) over appointing the highest quality candidates.

drfchound

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« Reply #118 on April 23, 2022, 08:46:47 pm by drfchound »
When does Copps start in his new role, or was it today.

Alan Southstand

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« Reply #119 on April 23, 2022, 11:08:13 pm by Alan Southstand »
Spud:

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………every internal appointment is gonna do the same, let's give the man a chance, surely we're happier him making footballing decisions than Blunt?

Copps will get every chance, and the time, to prove his effectiveness in the role. There’s no alternative now, as the decision has been made (and has probably been made for some time).

There is only one thing left to ponder, imho, when Copps has done all his good work, it will come down to recommending who we should bring in for x, y and z positions in the team and the same guy (pre Copps) will be signing them off (or not) at the end of the day.

 

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