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Starmer will win the next GE and lead the country to greatness.
Well what any of the doubters say about Starmer, he's completed his first job with flying colours and has seen johnson off.
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 20, 2022, 11:29:13 pmWell what any of the doubters say about Starmer, he's completed his first job with flying colours and has seen johnson off.He's done absolutely nothing of the sort .Johnson took himself down by his behaviour and the Tory Party eventually got rid .
Electoral pacts, anyone? maybe show where a party has announced that they would form any sort of a coalition in the pre-election period.
Quote from: tyke1962 on July 21, 2022, 06:18:49 amQuote from: SydneyRover on July 20, 2022, 11:29:13 pmWell what any of the doubters say about Starmer, he's completed his first job with flying colours and has seen johnson off.He's done absolutely nothing of the sort .Johnson took himself down by his behaviour and the Tory Party eventually got rid .You appear to know much less that I ever thought possible tykey, do you think that johnson would have been ousted without the good polls labour have been having. Think back how many times you've announced to your surprise that Starmer's tactics have been doing the job.
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 21, 2022, 02:28:38 amElectoral pacts, anyone? maybe show where a party has announced that they would form any sort of a coalition in the pre-election period.Syd, you are missing the point....whatever happened in the past is not relevant.Labour has a rule that they will stand in every seat.But they do not have the money to do so this time, and they need the Tories to lose seats in close call constituencies.It is at least as important for Tories to lose to LD wherever they are second, as it is for Labour to regain red wall seats.All this is before Labour face paying fines for the class actions brought against unlawful membership exclusions, and the illegal data breach of personal data of ex members.Now unless a sugar daddy from the private health sector, or a foreign government, arrives with an open wallet, these issues have to be faced.
Tyke steadying the party, winning some important byelections and being ahead in the polls for 6 or more months ......... then getting under johnson's skin at PMQs. On top of that he has shown integrity where johnson and the tories clearly haven't. If the polls were good for the tories do you really think the so called red wall would have got rid of him, they saw him as their meal ticket up the point where they didn't.
tykey tykey tykey the things that you conveniently forget are that labour will be able to do absolutely nothing from opposition and that British voters have told you and quite a few others exactly where to shove a far left government. That may of course change but as of this moment I can't hear the drums. I'm not surprised you are sick of hearing 'what we already know' maybe because you keep posting the same old same old.
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 22, 2022, 09:18:47 amtykey tykey tykey the things that you conveniently forget are that labour will be able to do absolutely nothing from opposition and that British voters have told you and quite a few others exactly where to shove a far left government. That may of course change but as of this moment I can't hear the drums. I'm not surprised you are sick of hearing 'what we already know' maybe because you keep posting the same old same old.If the only Labour position is that they are not the Tories then what on earth are you expecting me to comment on Sydney ? .
Quote from: tyke1962 on July 22, 2022, 09:54:29 amQuote from: SydneyRover on July 22, 2022, 09:18:47 amtykey tykey tykey the things that you conveniently forget are that labour will be able to do absolutely nothing from opposition and that British voters have told you and quite a few others exactly where to shove a far left government. That may of course change but as of this moment I can't hear the drums. I'm not surprised you are sick of hearing 'what we already know' maybe because you keep posting the same old same old.If the only Labour position is that they are not the Tories then what on earth are you expecting me to comment on Sydney ? .You are letting the perfect spoil the good tyke, you fell for the tory bullshit that the EU were spoiling your fun, lie back and savour it.
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 22, 2022, 10:18:01 amQuote from: tyke1962 on July 22, 2022, 09:54:29 amQuote from: SydneyRover on July 22, 2022, 09:18:47 amtykey tykey tykey the things that you conveniently forget are that labour will be able to do absolutely nothing from opposition and that British voters have told you and quite a few others exactly where to shove a far left government. That may of course change but as of this moment I can't hear the drums. I'm not surprised you are sick of hearing 'what we already know' maybe because you keep posting the same old same old.If the only Labour position is that they are not the Tories then what on earth are you expecting me to comment on Sydney ? .You are letting the perfect spoil the good tyke, you fell for the tory bullshit that the EU were spoiling your fun, lie back and savour it.Except I was against the EU since around the time of Thatcher and Major and before Johnson and Mogg had a single pubic hair between them .You need to stop bleating about leaving the EU and accept the democratic decision and that goes for many others on here .You've lost the argument the same as I did in 84/85 but I didn't spend the next 6 years throwing myself on the supermarket floor like a spoiled child denied some sweets .Keith's accepted it so why can't you lot ?The more you lot keep bleating on about this thing sowing even more division the less likely you are to be rid of the Tories .Now whose the " Thickos" and culture war warriors ?
It may help if you explain what you are blaming them for, I agree that a strong opposition is required no matter who is in power. I point to the polls for the previous 6 months, why would you stick your neck out if you are leading?
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 22, 2022, 12:17:22 pmIt may help if you explain what you are blaming them for, I agree that a strong opposition is required no matter who is in power. I point to the polls for the previous 6 months, why would you stick your neck out if you are leading? Polls, yes Pollshttps://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/keir-starmer-approval-ratinghttps://docs.cdn.yougov.com/y2hnts6bxg/Main_FavourabilityTracker_W.pdfInteresting to see favourablility in Labour isn't particularly high, more the drop for the Tories, if the Tories improve (big if) that will clearly harm Labour. Labour need to focus on improving their image as they're ahead despite of themselves and their leader not because of it.
Sydney spoken like a die hard Labour man with blinkers on.. As a neutral i hold the Labour party nearly as much to blame as the conservatives.A strong opposition leads to a strong goverment and Starmer and Labour are as weak as kittens. If you for one minute think Starmer has the public support you are mistaken. Nobody has a scooby doo what they actually stand for these days. They have no policy's none that i'm aware of anyway.Dont get to confident because if the new Tory leader gets off to a good start they will rinse Starmer inside out..