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Did it mention him being a Quisling and back stabber? he can't be trusted to go to a shop with a list of goods. He has more faces than a diamond.
Quote from: selby on July 22, 2022, 02:27:44 pm Did it mention him being a Quisling and back stabber? he can't be trusted to go to a shop with a list of goods. He has more faces than a diamond.Back stabber?You mean Sunak?
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 22, 2022, 12:32:23 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on July 22, 2022, 12:17:22 pmIt may help if you explain what you are blaming them for, I agree that a strong opposition is required no matter who is in power. I point to the polls for the previous 6 months, why would you stick your neck out if you are leading? Polls, yes Pollshttps://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/keir-starmer-approval-ratinghttps://docs.cdn.yougov.com/y2hnts6bxg/Main_FavourabilityTracker_W.pdfInteresting to see favourablility in Labour isn't particularly high, more the drop for the Tories, if the Tories improve (big if) that will clearly harm Labour. Labour need to focus on improving their image as they're ahead despite of themselves and their leader not because of it.Are you saying it's better to behind in the polls pud?
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 22, 2022, 12:17:22 pmIt may help if you explain what you are blaming them for, I agree that a strong opposition is required no matter who is in power. I point to the polls for the previous 6 months, why would you stick your neck out if you are leading? Polls, yes Pollshttps://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/keir-starmer-approval-ratinghttps://docs.cdn.yougov.com/y2hnts6bxg/Main_FavourabilityTracker_W.pdfInteresting to see favourablility in Labour isn't particularly high, more the drop for the Tories, if the Tories improve (big if) that will clearly harm Labour. Labour need to focus on improving their image as they're ahead despite of themselves and their leader not because of it.
It may help if you explain what you are blaming them for, I agree that a strong opposition is required no matter who is in power. I point to the polls for the previous 6 months, why would you stick your neck out if you are leading?
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 22, 2022, 12:38:51 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 22, 2022, 12:32:23 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on July 22, 2022, 12:17:22 pmIt may help if you explain what you are blaming them for, I agree that a strong opposition is required no matter who is in power. I point to the polls for the previous 6 months, why would you stick your neck out if you are leading? Polls, yes Pollshttps://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/keir-starmer-approval-ratinghttps://docs.cdn.yougov.com/y2hnts6bxg/Main_FavourabilityTracker_W.pdfInteresting to see favourablility in Labour isn't particularly high, more the drop for the Tories, if the Tories improve (big if) that will clearly harm Labour. Labour need to focus on improving their image as they're ahead despite of themselves and their leader not because of it.Are you saying it's better to behind in the polls pud?Absolutley not, but it's important they keep their eye on the end goal not where they are now, which doesn't matter. Better winning 1-0 late on than throwing away a 3-0 lead and losing 4-3. I'm sure they have it in hand, but Starmer's ratings should be a slight cause for concern, I think they know that hence his media rounds this week.
I heard a very small part of a sky reporter Beth's (Mrs Coleman heard her speaking the other day and thought she was a man til she saw her) interview last night He said we didn't have children for politics ( having a right go at that conservative who was the leader of the labour party - and was also a failed rock star )then he mentioned about supporting Arsenal and mentioned he is always home for friday night and prayers ( that could be why Arsenal have improved )..... when questioned on this he "moved around" on this point November 16, 2020 14:05 Starmer: Our kids are being brought up to know their Jewish backgroundsLabour leader tells Desert Island Discs of 'long tradition of family and faith'https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/starmer-our-kids-are-being-brought-up-to-know-their-jewish-backgrounds-1.508720We do all know the children follow the religion of their Mother in such a case.from wikipediaPersonal lifeStarmer married Victoria Alexander in 2007.[221] She was previously a solicitor but now works in NHS occupational health.[5][222] The couple's son and daughter are being brought up in the Jewish faith of their mother and the family attend shabbat dinners.[9] Starmer himself stated he does not believe in God but does "believe in faith" and its power to bring people together.[223] Starmer is a keen footballer, having played for Homerton Academicals, a north London amateur team,[224] and supports Premier League side Arsenal.[5]Starmer is a vegetarian, believing that "it's better for yourself and for the environment".[225] listening to the whole interview goes onto my bucket list at least I learned somrething I didn't know about him
I heard a very small part of a sky reporter Beth's (Mrs Coleman heard her speaking the other day and thought she was a man til she saw her) interview last night He said we didn't have children for politics ( having a right go at that conservative who was the leader of the labour party - and was also a failed rock star )then he mentioned about supporting Arsenal and mentioned he is always home for friday night and prayers ( that could be why Arsenal have improved )..... when questioned on this he "moved around" on this point November 16, 2020 14:05 Starmer: Our kids are being brought up to know their Jewish backgroundsLabour leader tells Desert Island Discs of 'long tradition of family and faith'https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/starmer-our-kids-are-being-brought-up-to-know-their-jewish-backgrounds-1.508720We do all know the children follow the religion of their Mother in such a case.from wikipediaPersonal lifeStarmer married Victoria Alexander in 2007.[221] She was previously a solicitor but now works in NHS occupational health.[5][222] The couple's son and daughter are being brought up in the Jewish faith of their mother and the family attend shabbat dinners.[9] Starmer himself stated he does not believe in God but does "believe in faith" and its power to bring people together.[223] Starmer is a keen footballer, having played for Homerton Academicals, a north London amateur team,[224] and supports Premier League side Arsenal.[5]Starmer is a vegetarian, believing that "it's better for yourself and for the environment".[225] listening to the whole interview goes onto my bucket list at least I learned somrething I didn't know about him
Quote from: Colemans Left Hook on July 22, 2022, 02:13:17 pmI heard a very small part of a sky reporter Beth's (Mrs Coleman heard her speaking the other day and thought she was a man til she saw her) interview last night He said we didn't have children for politics ( having a right go at that conservative who was the leader of the labour party - and was also a failed rock star )then he mentioned about supporting Arsenal and mentioned he is always home for friday night and prayers ( that could be why Arsenal have improved )..... when questioned on this he "moved around" on this point November 16, 2020 14:05 Starmer: Our kids are being brought up to know their Jewish backgroundsLabour leader tells Desert Island Discs of 'long tradition of family and faith'https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/starmer-our-kids-are-being-brought-up-to-know-their-jewish-backgrounds-1.508720We do all know the children follow the religion of their Mother in such a case.from wikipediaPersonal lifeStarmer married Victoria Alexander in 2007.[221] She was previously a solicitor but now works in NHS occupational health.[5][222] The couple's son and daughter are being brought up in the Jewish faith of their mother and the family attend shabbat dinners.[9] Starmer himself stated he does not believe in God but does "believe in faith" and its power to bring people together.[223] Starmer is a keen footballer, having played for Homerton Academicals, a north London amateur team,[224] and supports Premier League side Arsenal.[5]Starmer is a vegetarian, believing that "it's better for yourself and for the environment".[225] listening to the whole interview goes onto my bucket list at least I learned somrething I didn't know about himThe more I hear about this bloke, the more I think what an absolute prat he is.Just think, we're probably going to have Liz Truss as PM for 2 years, then Keith.What the f*ck have we done to deserve all this?
Syd,Far from being a red herring, it is the central question facing Labour.Polls are nothing to the point at this stage in the electoral cycle.Labour are down to 382k paid-up members.Membership was reported to be 570,000 in July 2020. That's a huge loss of members and revenue.Labour had £13.5m in reserves built up under Corbyn, now frittered away by the Starmeroids to the edge of bankruptcy.Keith chose to settle out of court with the BBC Panorama complainants, despite legal advice that their claims were invalid. We now have it confirmed by Forde that these allegations were unsubstantiated, as Keith was advised.You cannot just ignore financial peril when it stares you in the face.How do you think Labour should build up capacity to contest a GE, in the next 2 years?.....private donations, commercial sponsorship, what?
Quote from: albie on July 22, 2022, 01:40:03 pmSyd,Far from being a red herring, it is the central question facing Labour.Polls are nothing to the point at this stage in the electoral cycle.Labour are down to 382k paid-up members.Membership was reported to be 570,000 in July 2020. That's a huge loss of members and revenue.Labour had £13.5m in reserves built up under Corbyn, now frittered away by the Starmeroids to the edge of bankruptcy.Keith chose to settle out of court with the BBC Panorama complainants, despite legal advice that their claims were invalid. We now have it confirmed by Forde that these allegations were unsubstantiated, as Keith was advised.You cannot just ignore financial peril when it stares you in the face.How do you think Labour should build up capacity to contest a GE, in the next 2 years?.....private donations, commercial sponsorship, what?All I asked was for you to name a single party that had announced before the election that they would go into partnership, can you do that Albie?
Does your story tally with Albie's, tyke?
I trying to connect you with someone that could possibly understand your political theories tyke and I have narrowed it down to selby, bullet, hound and Albie but they may have to work as a team.
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 22, 2022, 10:56:33 pmI trying to connect you with someone that could possibly understand your political theories tyke and I have narrowed it down to selby, bullet, hound and Albie but they may have to work as a team.The only political theories you should concern yourself with is on planet reality Sydney .You might want to believe the country is crying out for a Labour government but that's not necessarily the case .I'm not particularly crying out for one either to be honest .If Labour win so fecking what .
Quote from: Colemans Left Hook on July 22, 2022, 02:13:17 pmI heard a very small part of a sky reporter Beth's (Mrs Coleman heard her speaking the other day and thought she was a man til she saw her) interview last night He said we didn't have children for politics ( having a right go at that conservative who was the leader of the labour party - and was also a failed rock star )then he mentioned about supporting Arsenal and mentioned he is always home for friday night and prayers ( that could be why Arsenal have improved )..... when questioned on this he "moved around" on this point November 16, 2020 14:05 Starmer: Our kids are being brought up to know their Jewish backgroundsLabour leader tells Desert Island Discs of 'long tradition of family and faith'https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/starmer-our-kids-are-being-brought-up-to-know-their-jewish-backgrounds-1.508720We do all know the children follow the religion of their Mother in such a case.from wikipediaPersonal lifeStarmer married Victoria Alexander in 2007.[221] She was previously a solicitor but now works in NHS occupational health.[5][222] The couple's son and daughter are being brought up in the Jewish faith of their mother and the family attend shabbat dinners.[9] Starmer himself stated he does not believe in God but does "believe in faith" and its power to bring people together.[223] Starmer is a keen footballer, having played for Homerton Academicals, a north London amateur team,[224] and supports Premier League side Arsenal.[5]Starmer is a vegetarian, believing that "it's better for yourself and for the environment".[225] listening to the whole interview goes onto my bucket list at least I learned somrething I didn't know about himI didn't know that about his wife, not that I am particualy bothered.I do know he used to be a keen supporter of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign - so he presumably has good knowledge of middle east and middle east politics from all sides.I think he dropped out of PSC when some activists went a bit too far and the a/s problem kicked off under Corbynhttps://twitter.com/tristandross/status/1460629248381788164
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 22, 2022, 10:56:33 pmI trying to connect you with someone that could possibly understand your political theories tyke and I have narrowed it down to selby, bullet, hound and Albie but they may have to work as a team.OI! Don't leave me out. I understand Tyke's political theories well. Quite simple really. The Labour Party was formed to represent working class people and Trade Unions.That's something that you and Keith seem to be ignoring.
SS,Syd will be on in a minute to explain why a loss said to be of £10.5 million per year in membership fees - £52.5 million per parliament, is a cracking move by Keith.Just after he finishes reading the Forde Report, which must be causing a bit of anguish down under.
Quote from: scawsby steve on July 23, 2022, 05:16:36 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on July 22, 2022, 10:56:33 pmI trying to connect you with someone that could possibly understand your political theories tyke and I have narrowed it down to selby, bullet, hound and Albie but they may have to work as a team.OI! Don't leave me out. I understand Tyke's political theories well. Quite simple really. The Labour Party was formed to represent working class people and Trade Unions.That's something that you and Keith seem to be ignoring.My apologies Steve, I guess it will all come out in the wash. How's your private health, hope you are have the top cover. I think that the tag should be changed to haves and have nots to better represent who this government will 'serve' Maybe as tyke's campaign manager you could put him up for office, he would fit in on the Truss team I think.Oh, by the way can you ask tyke which union he's in atm moment if you get a chance.
While Starmer is fiercely schtum about his private life – hence his reticence to publicly name his daughter – we do know that his wife, originally from Poland, is Jewish, and that the couple's children are being raised in the Jewish faith. Speaking to the Jewish Chronicle in March, the Labour leader opened up about his wife's faith, saying: 'As you probably know my wife’s family is Jewish. On her father’s side there are bar mitzvahs, synagogues — there’s all the traditions.'https://www.tatler.com/article/who-is-keir-starmers-wife-victoria
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 23, 2022, 10:07:40 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on July 23, 2022, 05:16:36 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on July 22, 2022, 10:56:33 pmI trying to connect you with someone that could possibly understand your political theories tyke and I have narrowed it down to selby, bullet, hound and Albie but they may have to work as a team.OI! Don't leave me out. I understand Tyke's political theories well. Quite simple really. The Labour Party was formed to represent working class people and Trade Unions.That's something that you and Keith seem to be ignoring.My apologies Steve, I guess it will all come out in the wash. How's your private health, hope you are have the top cover. I think that the tag should be changed to haves and have nots to better represent who this government will 'serve' Maybe as tyke's campaign manager you could put him up for office, he would fit in on the Truss team I think.Oh, by the way can you ask tyke which union he's in atm moment if you get a chance.As usual, you've gone off on a tangent about something that's got f*ck all to do with my post. I never mentioned private health, this government, or Liz Truss.Now, do you think Keith is the man, as Labour leader, to represent working class people and Trade Unions?Yes or no?
Sorry Syd, but you are sounding like a desperate man now.It is not "silly" to suggest that you do only what you can afford, it is silly not to.Labour have to cut their cloth according to the reduced resources for a GE, caused by loss of membership fees and reduced TU support.That means fewer national candidates and contesting priority winnable seats.It is also sensible to look at the numbers before a GE and focus where it is effective.Without regaining ground in Scotland, and a LD revival in the south, Labour will not form a majority government.The task is to prevent the Tories returned on a lower majority, or to broker a deal with others beforehand to maximise the seats lost by Truss. Wasting money drawing a small number of votes in no chance constituencies is completely barmy.That said, what is it that you are actually voting FOR in supporting Keith....not public ownership by the look;https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-public-ownership-nationalise-reeves-starmer-b2130382.htmlI still don't see how pitching for "growth" is going to tame climate breakdown, do you?How you getting on with the Forde Report?
Quote from: albie on July 25, 2022, 04:18:52 pmSorry Syd, but you are sounding like a desperate man now.It is not "silly" to suggest that you do only what you can afford, it is silly not to.Labour have to cut their cloth according to the reduced resources for a GE, caused by loss of membership fees and reduced TU support.That means fewer national candidates and contesting priority winnable seats.It is also sensible to look at the numbers before a GE and focus where it is effective.Without regaining ground in Scotland, and a LD revival in the south, Labour will not form a majority government.The task is to prevent the Tories returned on a lower majority, or to broker a deal with others beforehand to maximise the seats lost by Truss. Wasting money drawing a small number of votes in no chance constituencies is completely barmy.That said, what is it that you are actually voting FOR in supporting Keith....not public ownership by the look;https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-public-ownership-nationalise-reeves-starmer-b2130382.htmlI still don't see how pitching for "growth" is going to tame climate breakdown, do you?How you getting on with the Forde Report?https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/25/starmer-says-he-wont-be-ideological-labour-renationalisation-rowUnfortunately for Labour its now becoming apparent why Keith's been lagging behind on coming out with policies for Labours fight with the Tories for the next election.It seems Keith has decided that "Growth" is the priority and all traditional Labour staples like bringing back into public ownership Rail, Energy, public utilities is for the birds.So its now clear that the fella has no clear aspiration or ambition that sits square with traditional Labour values, instead choosing to take the same road already trodden by the present incumbents.So, can one of the sycophants on here tell me what exactly Labour under this pretend leader stands for?I have no idea, the country has no idea and unfortunately neither does Keith.
Sorry Syd, but you are sounding like a desperate man now.It is not "silly" to suggest that you do only what you can afford, it is silly not to.Labour have to cut their cloth according to the reduced resources for a GE, caused by loss of membership fees and reduced TU support.That means fewer national candidates and contesting priority winnable seats.It is also sensible to look at the numbers before a GE and focus where it is effective.Without regaining ground in Scotland, and a LD revival in the south, Labour will not form a majority government.The task is to prevent the Tories returned on a lower majority, or to broker a deal with others beforehand to maximise the seats lost by Truss. Wasting money drawing a small number of votes in no chance constituencies is completely barmy.That said, what is it that you are actually voting FOR in supporting Keith....not public ownership by the look;https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-public-ownership-nationalise-reeves-starmer-b2130382.htmlI still don't see how pitching for "growth" is going to tame climate breakdown, do you?How you getting on with the Forde Report?