Will Starmer be "fine" or "fined" ?

[albie]

Syd,

Your posts are getting more and more bizarre.

You seem to think losing members and finance hand over fist is somehow OK.
"with all those previous members and financial resources labour lost"
Right, so you reckon fewer members and less resource is not a problem?

"Starmer has reduced the debt that you were moaning about to around 1/20th of what it was"....what?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-membership-loss-accounts-deficit-b2146691.html

Once more trade union money is withdrawn, the situation becomes even more critical.

Do you think Labour should be funded by commercial interests, looking for a payback from their investment?
Or perhaps money from a foreign government, Israel maybe, in return for support on the international stage?

[SydneyRover]

Syd,

Your posts are getting more and more bizarre.

You seem to think losing members and finance hand over fist is somehow OK.
"with all those previous members and financial resources labour lost"
Right, so you reckon fewer members and less resource is not a problem?

"Starmer has reduced the debt that you were moaning about to around 1/20th of what it was"....what?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-membership-loss-accounts-deficit-b2146691.html

Once more trade union money is withdrawn, the situation becomes even more critical.

Do you think Labour should be funded by commercial interests, looking for a payback from their investment?
Or perhaps money from a foreign government, Israel maybe, in return for support on the international stage?

Maybe you should take some comprehension lessons Albie, my previous comment you completely misunderstood and now you wish to put your own interpretation to what I write. You will not see anywhere that I have said the highlighted section above. If you can recall your gloating regarding what Starmer had lost for the party, what you appear to miss is that with those far left members in control Labour could not win and with due respect what is the point of being a wealthy party in opposition?

You don't vote labour so why should this be of bother to you Albie? your vote maintains a tory government.

A lot of the troubles are due to the previous far left unable to unite the party and get enough of the vote, as shown at the last election, never forget the last election Albie when you are bashing out your comments.

I think you are extremely naive Albie as you seem unable to grasp the political reality of how to win power, If I am incorrect please put your ideas together in a comment, I have been asking you for some time.

[albie]

Syd,

Could you answer my questions please?

"Do you think Labour should be funded by commercial interests, looking for a payback from their investment?
Or perhaps money from a foreign government, Israel maybe, in return for support on the international stage?"

Thanks.

[drfchound]

Oh it’s all gone quiet over there……

[wilts rover]

Syd,

Could you answer my questions please?

"Do you think Labour should be funded by commercial interests, looking for a payback from their investment?
Or perhaps money from a foreign government, Israel maybe, in return for support on the international stage?"

Thanks.

It's illegal for a foreign government, company or individual to donate to a UK political party. So that will narrow it down for you:

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/political-party-funding

[SydneyRover]

Syd,

Could you answer my questions please?

"Do you think Labour should be funded by commercial interests, looking for a payback from their investment?
Or perhaps money from a foreign government, Israel maybe, in return for support on the international stage?"

Thanks.

Unless you grow a bit Albie the answer is no, I've put plenty of questions to you and they have gone unanswered, quid pro quo old chap.

[Colin C No.3]

Sydney can I ask, has your neighbour become a good friend?

[SydneyRover]

Col, yes you can ask.

[albie]

Wilts,

Yes, I am aware of the rules.
The problem is that they are easy to sidestep, and as a result are widely disregarded.

Open Democracy has run a series of "Dark Money" investigations, mainly focussed upon Russian influence in the Tory party, and cash for access scams;
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/urgent-changes-needed-tackle-dirty-money-british-politics-says-new-report/

The Russians are not the only players in this.
Israel has been very active in courting influence within the UK political landscape.
Often this takes the form of financial support to sympathetic MP's, with donations channelled via UK residents to particular MP's.

They have sub-groups within the parties, such as Labour Friends of Israel, which act as a focus for activities supporting Israel on the international stage.
Now the issue is whether this is legitimate political engagement, or a corrosive corruption of UK party politics?

If it is deplorable when Russian interests have leverage, then surely it is equally deplorable for other countries to act in similar fashion!

[wilts rover]

That's a serious allegation you are making there Albie.

What evidence do you have that Labour Friends of Israel is connected in anyway, and receives funding from, the government of Israel?

It is a group for Labour MP's and Labour members who are interested in Israel.

Barry Gardiner used to be chair of it. Are you saying Barry Gardner is receiving this funding?

[scawsby steve]

Sydney can I ask, has your neighbour become a good friend?

That's the trouble, CC. We're finally rid of "Neighbours", but can we f*ck get rid of Syd.

He hangs about like a bad smell.

[SydneyRover]

Sydney can I ask, has your neighbour become a good friend?

That's the trouble, CC. We're finally rid of "Neighbours", but can we f*ck get rid of Syd.

He hangs about like a bad smell.

With all things considered you don't smell too good yourself after your dalliances with the tories aye Steve

[scawsby steve]

Sydney can I ask, has your neighbour become a good friend?

That's the trouble, CC. We're finally rid of "Neighbours", but can we f*ck get rid of Syd.

He hangs about like a bad smell.

With all things considered you don't smell too good yourself after your dalliances with the tories aye Steve

Never voted Tory in my life, Cobber. True socialists don't.

Liberals can often be persuaded to though. Are you sure you've always voted Labour?

[SydneyRover]

I've never supported for a party that would risk having conservative government in power. In the UK I've always voted labour.

[SydneyRover]

Sydney can I ask, has your neighbour become a good friend?

That's the trouble, CC. We're finally rid of "Neighbours", but can we f*ck get rid of Syd.

He hangs about like a bad smell.

With all things considered you don't smell too good yourself after your dalliances with the tories aye Steve

Never voted Tory in my life, Cobber. True socialists don't.

Liberals can often be persuaded to though. Are you sure you've always voted Labour?

True socialists may not but why would they support yet another balmy venture from the house of dumb ideas, Come on lads let's cut ourselves off from the wealthiest market in the world and show them how to really run a country.

[scawsby steve]

Sydney can I ask, has your neighbour become a good friend?

That's the trouble, CC. We're finally rid of "Neighbours", but can we f*ck get rid of Syd.

He hangs about like a bad smell.

With all things considered you don't smell too good yourself after your dalliances with the tories aye Steve

Never voted Tory in my life, Cobber. True socialists don't.

Liberals can often be persuaded to though. Are you sure you've always voted Labour?

True socialists may not but why would they support yet another balmy venture from the house of dumb ideas, Come on lads let's cut ourselves off from the wealthiest market in the world and show them how to really run a country.

Do you mean the market that wouldn't have allowed us to re-nationalise public services?

[SydneyRover]

No I mean the government that has grown stronger and been in power longer and is intent on stripping out protections for workers, the same one that has allowed polluting of the rivers, the same one that has allowed pollution in the cities, the same one that lied to the head of state and wanted to break international law, the one that wants to rip up the NI protocol, tell me when you've had enough Steve.

[wilts rover]

Sydney can I ask, has your neighbour become a good friend?

That's the trouble, CC. We're finally rid of "Neighbours", but can we f*ck get rid of Syd.

He hangs about like a bad smell.

With all things considered you don't smell too good yourself after your dalliances with the tories aye Steve

Never voted Tory in my life, Cobber. True socialists don't.

Liberals can often be persuaded to though. Are you sure you've always voted Labour?

True socialists may not but why would they support yet another balmy venture from the house of dumb ideas, Come on lads let's cut ourselves off from the wealthiest market in the world and show them how to really run a country.

Do you mean the market that wouldn't have allowed us to re-nationalise public services?

France have just re-nationalised their electricty industry. Or was there some other market you meant?

[albie]

Wilts,

Not my accusations, the reportage of others.
 
These matters were covered by media outlets at the time;
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/08/israeli-diplomat-shai-masot-plotted-against-mps-set-up-political-groups-labour

I am not saying that Labour FOI receive direct funding from Israel... not sure where you get that idea from!

The issue was covered by the Aljazeera documentary "The Lobby", which exposed the actions of the Israeli embassy in covert UK operations.
You can catch the original in this Jonathan Cook article;
https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2017-01-08/how-many-british-mps-are-working-for-israel/
The episodes are at the foot of the article.

A further aspect is discussed here:
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2018/03/28/reminder-israel-put-up-a-1000000-bounty-for-labour-insiders-to-undermine-corbyn/

They have also been very active within the Conservative Party, as Alan Duncan's revelations show.

[albie]

I see Keith is not allowing even a discussion of public ownership at Labour conference;
https://labourlist.org/2022/09/anger-from-labour-activists-as-public-ownership-conference-motion-blocked/

Here is what he said to Andrew Neil previously;
https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1571138352774279169?cxt=HHwWgsDTob6A580rAAAA

He is just a brylcremed Boris, a habitual liar!

[scawsby steve]

I see Keith is not allowing even a discussion of public ownership at Labour conference;
https://labourlist.org/2022/09/anger-from-labour-activists-as-public-ownership-conference-motion-blocked/

Here is what he said to Andrew Neil previously;
https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1571138352774279169?cxt=HHwWgsDTob6A580rAAAA

He is just a brylcremed Boris, a habitual liar!

The bloke's a f*cking disgrace. I can't see the Unions putting up with him for much longer.

[phil old leake]

I see that he’s now having the national anthem sung at the Labour Party conference.  He’s obviously seen the support for the queen and royals and is hoping to capitalise on it.

[albie]

It is now clear that the public energy company promised by Keith at Labour Conference will not be a supplier to the general public;
https://labourlist.org/2022/09/great-british-energy-falls-far-short-of-what-the-public-and-the-planet-need/

The aim appears to be to leave the utility market entirely untouched after the present crisis is over.
A fundamental misunderstanding of the problems that the energy sector will continue to experience.

[drfchound]

Well he did get his round of applause for his suggestion.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I see that he’s now having the national anthem sung at the Labour Party conference.  He’s obviously seen the support for the queen and royals and is hoping to capitalise on it.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

He, like many of us on the not-very-far-Left, held his head in his hands while Corbyn indulged himself in student politics that gave free punches to those on the Right who claim lefties are unpatriotic.

Starmer's first speech when he took over from Corbyn included a pledge to never under his leadership engage in that sort of stupid navel gazing, where proving you are ideologically sound to your mates is more important than convincing the public that you can be trusted to stand up for the country. He's been moving the Labour party in that direction for two and a half years. This wasn't a knee jerk reaction to the Queen's death.

[drfchound]

Genuinely, did they have the National Anthem played at the previous LP conference.

[phil old leake]

Maybe the tv producers cut out the footage of the national anthem previously

Or maybe it just wasn’t sung or thought about previously as a vote winner

[tyke1962]

Genuinely, did they have the National Anthem played at the previous LP conference.

I wouldn't read too much in to it Hound .

They also sang The Red Flag to close down the conference which is a socialist anthem also sung in communist North Korea .

That's after proclaiming the whole week they are the party of the centre .

 

[drfchound]

Genuinely, did they have the National Anthem played at the previous LP conference.

I wouldn't read too much in to it Hound .

They also sang The Red Flag to close down the conference which is a socialist anthem also sung in communist North Korea .

That's after proclaiming the whole week they are the party of the centre .

 

So I guess we still have no idea where they stand.   

[BillyStubbsTears]

Genuinely, did they have the National Anthem played at the previous LP conference.

I wouldn't read too much in to it Hound .

They also sang The Red Flag to close down the conference which is a socialist anthem also sung in communist North Korea .

That's after proclaiming the whole week they are the party of the centre .

 

I do understand that you're both hurting and looking for solace in each other.