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You simply cannot put your hand on the throat of another player. A certain red card by the laws of the game whether he intended to do harm or not, and of course he didn't.He wasn't enjoying having to defend against Rowe and Knoyle up to that point, perhaps it got to him.
Quote from: RoversAlias on August 17, 2022, 12:47:40 amYou simply cannot put your hand on the throat of another player. A certain red card by the laws of the game whether he intended to do harm or not, and of course he didn't.He wasn't enjoying having to defend against Rowe and Knoyle up to that point, perhaps it got to him.It was soft. If that's a sending off offence, the game has lost its bearings.Up to that moment, he'd been their best player. He was giving Maxwell all sorts of problems.
Controversial comment first. Very soft red card tonight. That was poor from the officials. But it happened and it happens. You play the hand you're dealt.And tonight, I thought we played superbly against 10 men. Yes, the equaliser was sloppy, but our possession and attacking game was precisely what you should do against a depleted opposition.We probed. We were patient. We made runs wide and through the middle. We created excellent chances. We might not have won. But if we hadn't, that wouldn't have been the end of the world. We showed an intelligence in knowing how to dominate an opposition missing a man. That could easily have been 4 or 5-1.Compare that to Bradford on Day 1.They were one dimensional against our 10 men. They lumped thoughtless balls into the box and tried to batter us. They never looked like finding the key and they weren't smart enough to realise that, or good enough to change tack. Clayton and Tomlin were outstanding tonight, in intelligently probing and keeping the Stockport defence under stress. That bodes well for the season.
Yes ... Well spotted Lino and credit TR for the "shrug" of protest rather than what others all over the Country would have doneRules are there for a reason and their bloke fell foul of officials who saw and upheld themMadden was another with time wasting. He booted the ball already out and a goal kick to them up the East Stand nearly to half way line. Their goalkeeper needed no time wasting help at allThe Ref went to Madden and gave him the " that's your last warning" motion. 5 minutes later Madden picked up the ball (think it was Free kick in their box) and walked up the East Stand with it before dropping it 30 yds from goal. Ref gave him a yellow ... Well done himAre players that stupid or is it an occupational hazard ?Finally imagine if one of our players had done what their RBack did and got sent off that way. This board would be in uproar with half calling him "stupid" and the other half saying it was a Yellow or it was soft.
Imagine if refs allowed violent conduct and only red carded extreme examples.'It was only a gentle head butt ref' or I only wanted to give him a slight face massage', 'his leg's not broken so what's the problem ?' Every game would be a blood bath. Its a contact sport yes but not a game for deliberate violence of any sort.
Quote from: Avsuptem on August 17, 2022, 08:16:52 amImagine if refs allowed violent conduct and only red carded extreme examples.'It was only a gentle head butt ref' or I only wanted to give him a slight face massage', 'his leg's not broken so what's the problem ?' Every game would be a blood bath. Its a contact sport yes but not a game for deliberate violence of any sort.Very good point especially after the start at AFCW where the Ref seemed to award a Yellow Card to Clayton for a tackle he made after just 50 seconds However he produced a Yellow almost 2 minutes later but only after seeing the victim needed lengthy treatment on the fieldSums up exactly what you infer. It was a foul but initially he just gave it as a free kick but then was "influenced" (by overthinking maybe) that it must have been worthy of a Card.In fact it was still the same challenge he seemed to have let go with a Free Kick to them.Well done the Officials last night ... A sentence I never thought would appear in any post of mine
Since when was a left hook to the face softhttps://www.facebook.com/bailey.vickerage.1/videos/591758465824641
Fascinating how we all see different things. How on earth can anyone watch the video of that incident and say their lad punched Rowe? I agree that it was a red card according to the interpretation of the rules today. But it's the interpretation that's wrong. By no sensible measure should a push like that be classed as "violent conduct".
Quote from: Donnywolf on August 17, 2022, 08:04:36 amYes ... Well spotted Lino and credit TR for the "shrug" of protest rather than what others all over the Country would have doneRules are there for a reason and their bloke fell foul of officials who saw and upheld themMadden was another with time wasting. He booted the ball already out and a goal kick to them up the East Stand nearly to half way line. Their goalkeeper needed no time wasting help at allThe Ref went to Madden and gave him the " that's your last warning" motion. 5 minutes later Madden picked up the ball (think it was Free kick in their box) and walked up the East Stand with it before dropping it 30 yds from goal. Ref gave him a yellow ... Well done himAre players that stupid or is it an occupational hazard ?Finally imagine if one of our players had done what their RBack did and got sent off that way. This board would be in uproar with half calling him "stupid" and the other half saying it was a Yellow or it was soft.Good post John you've encapsulated the scene well.
Quote from: Donnywolf on August 17, 2022, 08:34:10 amQuote from: Avsuptem on August 17, 2022, 08:16:52 amImagine if refs allowed violent conduct and only red carded extreme examples.'It was only a gentle head butt ref' or I only wanted to give him a slight face massage', 'his leg's not broken so what's the problem ?' Every game would be a blood bath. Its a contact sport yes but not a game for deliberate violence of any sort.Very good point especially after the start at AFCW where the Ref seemed to award a Yellow Card to Clayton for a tackle he made after just 50 seconds However he produced a Yellow almost 2 minutes later but only after seeing the victim needed lengthy treatment on the fieldSums up exactly what you infer. It was a foul but initially he just gave it as a free kick but then was "influenced" (by overthinking maybe) that it must have been worthy of a Card.In fact it was still the same challenge he seemed to have let go with a Free Kick to them.Well done the Officials last night ... A sentence I never thought would appear in any post of mine That will equate to more than any officiating awards they win in their careers, are you feeling ok Wolf?
Quote from: Avsuptem on August 17, 2022, 08:16:52 amImagine if refs allowed violent conduct and only red carded extreme examples.'It was only a gentle head butt ref' or I only wanted to give him a slight face massage', 'his leg's not broken so what's the problem ?' Every game would be a blood bath. Its a contact sport yes but not a game for deliberate violence of any sort.Very good point especially after the start at AFCW where the Ref seemed to award a Yellow Card to Clayton for a tackle he made after just 50 seconds However he produced a Yellow almost 2 minutes later but only after seeing the victim needed lengthy treatment on the fieldSums up exactly what you infer. It was a foul but initially he just gave it as a free kick but then was "influenced" (by overthinking maybe) that it must have been worthy of a Card.In fact it was still the same challenge he seemed to have let go with a Free Kick to them.Well done the Officials last night ... A sentence I never thought would appear in any post of mine
This is the footage of the red card.https://mobile.twitter.com/JSomersetActor/status/1559621602035236864Clear that the push with the right hand was at the top of Rowe's chest, possibly on his neck. That's what I thought the sending off was for, in which case it's as soft as you'll ever see.But, it's possible that their lad has clipped Rowe's chin with his left elbow after the push, judging by how Rowe's head jerks back. Impossible to say if contact was actually made given how the image changes between frames, but if that what the linesman saw then fair enough.Apparently their manager's said the ref told him the card was for an elbow.