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What a negative view point. Don't change because it can always get worse is essentially the argument. Anyone doing anything in life like running a business, football club etc has to be optimistic and look at how things can get better. The probability now is that we would be better under a new manager. Yes not guaranteed but we've seen enough of GM to know he isn't going to turn it around. If anything i think this attitude shows how little faith supporters have in the club to get the right manager in. Over recent years it's justified but if you go back a few more we've appointed much better. Don't confuse people saying sack the board with everyone else who wants GM out. Insulting to be lumped in with them. Of course the summer was on the face of it a good window where majority were happy with the business. Thats just more reason to get GM gone. Only way to shut the board out people is to win games. I think deep down even they know GM is to blame at the moment.
What happens when we get a new manager and everyone wants him out too? They don’t come waving magic wands as people seem to hope. People were happy with the recruitment in the summer and on Saturday it was back to chants of “sack the board” and “Gavin Baldwin (not that it’s anything to do with him but anyway) shops at Netto.” Selby is right, the opinions blow in the wind. Is it the manager, is it the investment, is it both? Who cares as long as there’s someone to shout at. Right now it’s in fashion to slate the current manager and pick at every single word he says. There’s probably no winning the fanbase back now, and it has been hard to watch at times. But when we get a new manager we’ll have more difficult spells as that’s football. We’re Doncaster Rovers not Manchester City. The delusion is now rife and the demands detached from reality. I’ll get a boatload of criticism for this from people saying “we just want to see good football and we have a right to say our piece.” But it’s just not true is it, we’ll be back here again in months under the next manager. If we play well and lose then the football is irrelevant. If we win without playing well then we demand expansive football. The loud mouths on Twitter will regroup when we have a new manager and start the next campaign to get someone sacked.
Quote from: Jonathan on October 11, 2022, 10:17:04 pmWhat happens when we get a new manager and everyone wants him out too? They don’t come waving magic wands as people seem to hope. People were happy with the recruitment in the summer and on Saturday it was back to chants of “sack the board” and “Gavin Baldwin (not that it’s anything to do with him but anyway) shops at Netto.” Selby is right, the opinions blow in the wind. Is it the manager, is it the investment, is it both? Who cares as long as there’s someone to shout at. Right now it’s in fashion to slate the current manager and pick at every single word he says. There’s probably no winning the fanbase back now, and it has been hard to watch at times. But when we get a new manager we’ll have more difficult spells as that’s football. We’re Doncaster Rovers not Manchester City. The delusion is now rife and the demands detached from reality. I’ll get a boatload of criticism for this from people saying “we just want to see good football and we have a right to say our piece.” But it’s just not true is it, we’ll be back here again in months under the next manager. If we play well and lose then the football is irrelevant. If we win without playing well then we demand expansive football. The loud mouths on Twitter will regroup when we have a new manager and start the next campaign to get someone sacked.Jonathan, I understand your points regarding general anger, and I know you're an advocate of McSheffrey, but surely you can see that at least some of the criticism of him is valid and there's more to it than "demanding expansive football"?The style of football we are playing is pretty irrelevant. It would be nice to have style alongside substance, but I think it's the lack of substance that is bothering people. We go into the vast majority of our games looking devoid of any sort of plan. We look absolutely aimless, rudderless, disorganised, and frequently find ourselves being sussed out with incredible ease by sides that have a game plan and are relatively well coached and well drilled. If we looked organised and like we knew what we were doing but played a direct style, I think most people would accept that. Personally I wouldn't be too worried by us being in the position we're in outside the play-offs if I could see any semblance of a plan developing, but sadly I can't.People being happy with the summer recruitment is precisely why this situation is so frustrating, and why it also reflects on Blunt and the board, because they decided, and sold us all the idea that Gary McSheffrey was the best man to take the club forward, despite him objectively not hitting quite a number of the criteria in the job description and by continuing to look like a man who is out of his depth.Some people might be shouting for more money to be spent, but in my case, and in many others', I think it's more a matter of concern that the board really don't seem to be acting in the best interests of the football team being the best it can be by appointing and persisting with a rookie manager who is clearly struggling to get anything approaching the best out of a set of players that he signed.Regarding GM's comments in the press, I agree that some of the reaction has been overly picky, but part of the job as a manager is to communicate well, and despite it being blown out of proportion, I don't think criticising players publicly, appearing to criticise sections of the fanbase and blaming others when the team doesn't perform is a good look. Especially when you are starting to lose people's support already. He could've handled those questions much better.FWIW I feel sorry for GM. He's getting a lot of heat and a lot of unnecessary nastiness and abuse, which must be absolutely unbearable. I know I wouldn't like to be in his position right now. But, the truth of the matter in my opinion (and clearly many others) is that he is hindering our club's progress, and it's not unreasonable to question his position at this point. How long does our club's decline have to go on before folk are allowed to say anything? Despite being told we have a promotion budget, do we have to shrug our shoulders and say "meh" when we continue to be outplayed by almost every opponent we face in the fourth tier?
Quote from: Jonathan on October 11, 2022, 10:17:04 pmWhat happens when we get a new manager and everyone wants him out too? They don’t come waving magic wands as people seem to hope. People were happy with the recruitment in the summer and on Saturday it was back to chants of “sack the board” and “Gavin Baldwin (not that it’s anything to do with him but anyway) shops at Netto.” Selby is right, the opinions blow in the wind. Is it the manager, is it the investment, is it both? Who cares as long as there’s someone to shout at. Right now it’s in fashion to slate the current manager and pick at every single word he says. There’s probably no winning the fanbase back now, and it has been hard to watch at times. But when we get a new manager we’ll have more difficult spells as that’s football. We’re Doncaster Rovers not Manchester City. The delusion is now rife and the demands detached from reality. I’ll get a boatload of criticism for this from people saying “we just want to see good football and we have a right to say our piece.” But it’s just not true is it, we’ll be back here again in months under the next manager. If we play well and lose then the football is irrelevant. If we win without playing well then we demand expansive football. The loud mouths on Twitter will regroup when we have a new manager and start the next campaign to get someone sacked.Jonathan, I understand your points regarding general anger, and I know you're an advocate of McSheffrey, but surely you can see that at least some of the criticism of him is valid and there's more to it than "demanding expansive football"?The style of football we are playing is pretty irrelevant. It would be nice to have style alongside substance, but I think it's the lack of substance that is bothering people. We go into the vast majority of our games looking devoid of any sort of plan. We look absolutely aimless, rudderless, disorganised, and frequently find ourselves being sussed out with incredible ease by sides that have a game plan and are relatively well coached and well drilled. If we looked organised and like we knew what we were doing but played a direct style, I think most people would accept that. Personally I wouldn't be too worried by us being in the position we're in outside the play-offs if I could see any semblance of a plan developing, but sadly I can't.People being happy with the summer recruitment is precisely why this situation is so frustrating, and why it also reflects on Blunt and the board, because they decided, and sold us all the idea that Gary McSheffrey was the best man to take the club forward, despite him objectively not hitting quite a number of the criteria in the job description and by continuing to look like a man who is out of his depth.Some people might be shouting for more money to be spent, but in my case, and in many others', I think it's more a matter of concern that the board really don't seem to be acting in the best interests of the football team being the best it can be by appointing and persisting with a rookie manager who is clearly struggling to get anything approaching the best out of a set of players that he signed.Regarding GM's comments in the press, I agree that some of the reaction has been overly picky, but part of the job as a manager is to communicate well, and despite it being blown out of proportion, I don't think criticising players publicly, appearing to criticise sections of the fanbase and blaming others when the team doesn't perform is a good look. Especially when you are starting to lose people's support already. He could've handled those questions much better.FWIW I feel sorry for GM. He's getting a lot of heat and a lot of unnecessary nastiness and abuse, which must be absolutely unbearable. I know I wouldn't like to be in his position right now. But, the truth of the matter in my opinion (and clearly many others) is that he is hindering our club's progress, and it's not unreasonable to question his position at this point. How long does our club's decline have to go on before folk are allowed to say anything? Despite being told we have a promotion budget, do we have to shrug our shoulders and say "meh" when we continue to be outplayed by almost every opponent we face in the fourth tier?
Quote from: pib on October 12, 2022, 09:47:22 amQuote from: Jonathan on October 11, 2022, 10:17:04 pmWhat happens when we get a new manager and everyone wants him out too? They don’t come waving magic wands as people seem to hope. People were happy with the recruitment in the summer and on Saturday it was back to chants of “sack the board” and “Gavin Baldwin (not that it’s anything to do with him but anyway) shops at Netto.” Selby is right, the opinions blow in the wind. Is it the manager, is it the investment, is it both? Who cares as long as there’s someone to shout at. Right now it’s in fashion to slate the current manager and pick at every single word he says. There’s probably no winning the fanbase back now, and it has been hard to watch at times. But when we get a new manager we’ll have more difficult spells as that’s football. We’re Doncaster Rovers not Manchester City. The delusion is now rife and the demands detached from reality. I’ll get a boatload of criticism for this from people saying “we just want to see good football and we have a right to say our piece.” But it’s just not true is it, we’ll be back here again in months under the next manager. If we play well and lose then the football is irrelevant. If we win without playing well then we demand expansive football. The loud mouths on Twitter will regroup when we have a new manager and start the next campaign to get someone sacked.Jonathan, I understand your points regarding general anger, and I know you're an advocate of McSheffrey, but surely you can see that at least some of the criticism of him is valid and there's more to it than "demanding expansive football"?The style of football we are playing is pretty irrelevant. It would be nice to have style alongside substance, but I think it's the lack of substance that is bothering people. We go into the vast majority of our games looking devoid of any sort of plan. We look absolutely aimless, rudderless, disorganised, and frequently find ourselves being sussed out with incredible ease by sides that have a game plan and are relatively well coached and well drilled. If we looked organised and like we knew what we were doing but played a direct style, I think most people would accept that. Personally I wouldn't be too worried by us being in the position we're in outside the play-offs if I could see any semblance of a plan developing, but sadly I can't.People being happy with the summer recruitment is precisely why this situation is so frustrating, and why it also reflects on Blunt and the board, because they decided, and sold us all the idea that Gary McSheffrey was the best man to take the club forward, despite him objectively not hitting quite a number of the criteria in the job description and by continuing to look like a man who is out of his depth.Some people might be shouting for more money to be spent, but in my case, and in many others', I think it's more a matter of concern that the board really don't seem to be acting in the best interests of the football team being the best it can be by appointing and persisting with a rookie manager who is clearly struggling to get anything approaching the best out of a set of players that he signed.Regarding GM's comments in the press, I agree that some of the reaction has been overly picky, but part of the job as a manager is to communicate well, and despite it being blown out of proportion, I don't think criticising players publicly, appearing to criticise sections of the fanbase and blaming others when the team doesn't perform is a good look. Especially when you are starting to lose people's support already. He could've handled those questions much better.FWIW I feel sorry for GM. He's getting a lot of heat and a lot of unnecessary nastiness and abuse, which must be absolutely unbearable. I know I wouldn't like to be in his position right now. But, the truth of the matter in my opinion (and clearly many others) is that he is hindering our club's progress, and it's not unreasonable to question his position at this point. How long does our club's decline have to go on before folk are allowed to say anything? Despite being told we have a promotion budget, do we have to shrug our shoulders and say "meh" when we continue to be outplayed by almost every opponent we face in the fourth tier?Spot on.
Quote from: sedwardsdrfc on October 12, 2022, 08:48:40 amWhat a negative view point. Don't change because it can always get worse is essentially the argument. Anyone doing anything in life like running a business, football club etc has to be optimistic and look at how things can get better. The probability now is that we would be better under a new manager. Yes not guaranteed but we've seen enough of GM to know he isn't going to turn it around. If anything i think this attitude shows how little faith supporters have in the club to get the right manager in. Over recent years it's justified but if you go back a few more we've appointed much better. Don't confuse people saying sack the board with everyone else who wants GM out. Insulting to be lumped in with them. Of course the summer was on the face of it a good window where majority were happy with the business. Thats just more reason to get GM gone. Only way to shut the board out people is to win games. I think deep down even they know GM is to blame at the moment.Completely agree with this. The Board and their approach to sustainability has my backing - but they are also being tested here - not about investment or cheapness (which is nonsense in my opinion), but about decisiveness and taking responsibility to make change when it is required. So they are getting dragged into the ill-feeling, the majority of us can see the issue is McSheffrey but only the Board can change that.The mood has definitely shifted re McSheffrey though, this isn't a few kids messing about, everyone I've spoken to (admittedly a small sample!) wants McSheffrey gone. I take Campsall as the barometer for how people are feeling on here - a poster who is passionately positive and supportive of the club now clearly articulating the view it's time for a change of manager, and I consider myself in that same group - still supporting the 'club' but desperate now for something to change. Sorry if I'm speaking out of turn Campsall.
Datum, if the Club are, in any way, contemplating replacing GM, then they need to be getting on with it. Working back from the January window (which could be critical), the Board’s usual ‘modus operandi’ is to advertise, interview and appoint, which could take 4 weeks. Add to that a ‘grace period’ for the new manager to review what he’s got, squad wise, before the window opens. That doesn’t leave much time……..at all!
This being the case i think its only right that the club hold their nerve in this instance and allow GM to have the benefit of the returning players to give them time to get up to speed and be integrated back into the team.
Quote This being the case i think its only right that the club hold their nerve in this instance and allow GM to have the benefit of the returning players to give them time to get up to speed and be integrated back into the team. No, you didn’t and I didn’t suggest you did. You appear to be suggesting to keep him and the Board should ‘keep their nerve’. You also mentioned about time being allowed for players to come back such that GM can realise his ambitions with the squad. What I’m saying is we have 2 possibilities to change manager - either before January or before the end of the season. If they think (not you or I) that GM is not going to have us ‘bouncing back decisively’ (Blunt’s pre-season statement) then they need to act sooner, not later. That’s all I’m saying.Rumours are GM has already gone!!
One of the scouts has gone. Maybe he’s taken the blame
I think (hope) that’s a wind-up, Hound.