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Quote from: NickDRFC on December 10, 2022, 10:20:39 pmQuote from: Filo on December 10, 2022, 09:19:57 pmQuote from: NickDRFC on December 10, 2022, 09:14:53 pmQuote from: Filo on December 10, 2022, 09:10:14 pmWhen players are being paid thousands and thousands a week, the minimum you could expect when they take a penalty is to work the goalkeeper and get it inside the posts and under the crossbarGood grief. Have you seen the state of some of the penalties this World Cup? Players miss them. Pressure does things. 1 in 4 penalties are missed, however much you pay players that’s not going to increase the likelihood of scoring.We played well. We lost to the champions. Hurts as this team could so easily have gone on to win it but going out like this is so much better than the whimpers of 2002, 2006, 2010, 2016 etc etc.I stand by what I said, I don’t buy the pressure theory, i’d back myself everytime to get a shot on target from 12 yardsAnd I imagine that Kane would back himself to taxi punters from A to B on a Saturday night but it’s unlikely either one of you will ever get the chance to test the theory.Very true, I don’t work Saturday nights
Quote from: Filo on December 10, 2022, 09:19:57 pmQuote from: NickDRFC on December 10, 2022, 09:14:53 pmQuote from: Filo on December 10, 2022, 09:10:14 pmWhen players are being paid thousands and thousands a week, the minimum you could expect when they take a penalty is to work the goalkeeper and get it inside the posts and under the crossbarGood grief. Have you seen the state of some of the penalties this World Cup? Players miss them. Pressure does things. 1 in 4 penalties are missed, however much you pay players that’s not going to increase the likelihood of scoring.We played well. We lost to the champions. Hurts as this team could so easily have gone on to win it but going out like this is so much better than the whimpers of 2002, 2006, 2010, 2016 etc etc.I stand by what I said, I don’t buy the pressure theory, i’d back myself everytime to get a shot on target from 12 yardsAnd I imagine that Kane would back himself to taxi punters from A to B on a Saturday night but it’s unlikely either one of you will ever get the chance to test the theory.
Quote from: NickDRFC on December 10, 2022, 09:14:53 pmQuote from: Filo on December 10, 2022, 09:10:14 pmWhen players are being paid thousands and thousands a week, the minimum you could expect when they take a penalty is to work the goalkeeper and get it inside the posts and under the crossbarGood grief. Have you seen the state of some of the penalties this World Cup? Players miss them. Pressure does things. 1 in 4 penalties are missed, however much you pay players that’s not going to increase the likelihood of scoring.We played well. We lost to the champions. Hurts as this team could so easily have gone on to win it but going out like this is so much better than the whimpers of 2002, 2006, 2010, 2016 etc etc.I stand by what I said, I don’t buy the pressure theory, i’d back myself everytime to get a shot on target from 12 yards
Quote from: Filo on December 10, 2022, 09:10:14 pmWhen players are being paid thousands and thousands a week, the minimum you could expect when they take a penalty is to work the goalkeeper and get it inside the posts and under the crossbarGood grief. Have you seen the state of some of the penalties this World Cup? Players miss them. Pressure does things. 1 in 4 penalties are missed, however much you pay players that’s not going to increase the likelihood of scoring.We played well. We lost to the champions. Hurts as this team could so easily have gone on to win it but going out like this is so much better than the whimpers of 2002, 2006, 2010, 2016 etc etc.
When players are being paid thousands and thousands a week, the minimum you could expect when they take a penalty is to work the goalkeeper and get it inside the posts and under the crossbar
I thought we was the better team over 90 mins on the whole,kept their front 3 quiet most of the night and unlucky to lose,anyone can miss a penalty especially when under pressure just think he tried going with more power than placement,if gone with p lol ace ment and not in quiete in corner and loris saved it then fans no doubt would say he should of blasted it
Quote from: drfchound on December 10, 2022, 09:14:01 pmSome of the worlds best have missed pens, the pressure in those situations is something that the average bloke can’t imagine.Totally agree, mate. The defeat wasn't down to him. They were better than us, that's all.Anyway, the Rovers won, so it's been a good day as far as I'm concerned.
Some of the worlds best have missed pens, the pressure in those situations is something that the average bloke can’t imagine.
Quote from: donnievic on December 10, 2022, 10:51:09 pmI thought we was the better team over 90 mins on the whole,kept their front 3 quiet most of the night and unlucky to lose,anyone can miss a penalty especially when under pressure just think he tried going with more power than placement,if gone with p lol ace ment and not in quiete in corner and loris saved it then fans no doubt would say he should of blasted itYeh we tend to miss an awful lot of penalties under pressure .
I never thought we had control of the game despite having some decent spells .I find this hard luck theory completely nauseating to be honest .Gone on too many years for me to be down to hard luck .At this level we've had opportunities to win tournaments over the last 32 years and it always ends the same way , we bottle the big moments , that's not bad luck that's a flaw in our DNA and until that nut is cracked if it ever can be the wait for a major tournament will continue .I'm not Southgate's greatest admirer by any means but he's had a decent tournament other than the US game from the technical area .However I think it's time for a change personally , everyone has a sell by date in football and Southgate is in that territory .Time for a new man , different perspective and some fresh ideas to take to the next Euros in 2024 .Eddie Howe would be my man .
Quote from: tyke1962 on December 10, 2022, 10:55:59 pmQuote from: donnievic on December 10, 2022, 10:51:09 pmI thought we was the better team over 90 mins on the whole,kept their front 3 quiet most of the night and unlucky to lose,anyone can miss a penalty especially when under pressure just think he tried going with more power than placement,if gone with p lol ace ment and not in quiete in corner and loris saved it then fans no doubt would say he should of blasted itYeh we tend to miss an awful lot of penalties under pressure .No more than Anyone else
Quote from: dickos1 on December 10, 2022, 10:58:20 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 10, 2022, 10:55:59 pmQuote from: donnievic on December 10, 2022, 10:51:09 pmI thought we was the better team over 90 mins on the whole,kept their front 3 quiet most of the night and unlucky to lose,anyone can miss a penalty especially when under pressure just think he tried going with more power than placement,if gone with p lol ace ment and not in quiete in corner and loris saved it then fans no doubt would say he should of blasted itYeh we tend to miss an awful lot of penalties under pressure .No more than Anyone elseThe Croatians have won as many penalty shootouts at this world cup as we have in our entire history .
Quote from: Padge_DRFC on December 10, 2022, 10:35:03 pmWe'll never win anything with Southgate in charge. France have won with half their side injured. Never a better chance of beating them.Here we go again your football knowledge is questionable I bet you were one of those who said Marquis was a championship player worth 2 million.
We'll never win anything with Southgate in charge. France have won with half their side injured. Never a better chance of beating them.
5 matches. Only 1 of them we played a team on par.Only at the Euros did we beat someone on par with us. The worst Germany side for decades. Belgium twice, Croatia, Italy, now France. Wouldn't call him a failure, he's not done have us lose to someone rubbish. He's not got us beat anyone decent though.
The Euro qualifying campaign looks very interesting. Brutally, our first game probably decides it all, away to Italy in March. If we can avoid defeat there, we are probably in the driving seat.
Quote from: tyke1962 on December 10, 2022, 11:04:58 pmQuote from: dickos1 on December 10, 2022, 10:58:20 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 10, 2022, 10:55:59 pmQuote from: donnievic on December 10, 2022, 10:51:09 pmI thought we was the better team over 90 mins on the whole,kept their front 3 quiet most of the night and unlucky to lose,anyone can miss a penalty especially when under pressure just think he tried going with more power than placement,if gone with p lol ace ment and not in quiete in corner and loris saved it then fans no doubt would say he should of blasted itYeh we tend to miss an awful lot of penalties under pressure .No more than Anyone elseThe Croatians have won as many penalty shootouts at this world cup as we have in our entire history .So drawing against Japan and beating them on pens is better than beating Senegal 3-0 is it?
What a World Cup for England, yes we lost but we played attacking football in every game bar the USA game, we were the better team against the best team in the world and people still want the manager sacked, apart from winning the World Cup what else can he do
Quote from: dickos1 on December 11, 2022, 12:49:31 amQuote from: tyke1962 on December 10, 2022, 11:04:58 pmQuote from: dickos1 on December 10, 2022, 10:58:20 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 10, 2022, 10:55:59 pmQuote from: donnievic on December 10, 2022, 10:51:09 pmI thought we was the better team over 90 mins on the whole,kept their front 3 quiet most of the night and unlucky to lose,anyone can miss a penalty especially when under pressure just think he tried going with more power than placement,if gone with p lol ace ment and not in quiete in corner and loris saved it then fans no doubt would say he should of blasted itYeh we tend to miss an awful lot of penalties under pressure .No more than Anyone elseThe Croatians have won as many penalty shootouts at this world cup as we have in our entire history .So drawing against Japan and beating them on pens is better than beating Senegal 3-0 is it?We were talking about high pressure penalty kicks I believe .You said we miss just as many as anybody else , which is just plain wrong because everyone knows it's our nemesis , the facts are the facts .In tournament football it really doesn't matter how you progress to the next stage just as long as you do and Croatia are in there second consecutive semi final because they were also more mentally stronger than the pre tournament favourites when it mattered the most .This is something that consistently let's us down at tournaments and shows no sign of going away .Kane's penalty was high pressure last night , the same conditions were in play as a penalty shoot out and his head was so scrambled he put it 3 foot over the bar , the brutal truth is he bottled it .I'm not so critical as to expect the England team to win every penalty shoot out they are involved in , the Brazilians , French , Argentinean's and the Italians have all lost them but they've won plenty of them too , the Brazilians and Italians have won a World Cup and a Euros from the penalty spot .It's an unfortunate truth that in high pressure situations we crumble , mentally weak .The facts are the facts given our appalling record , if it was just down to luck we'd win 50% of them because that's the laws of probability .
Anyone watching that game, and coming out of it thinking France were the better side need help. England were by far the better side and got robbed by a few terrible decisions and a terrible missed pen.
Quote from: dickos1 on December 10, 2022, 10:57:45 pmAnyone watching that game, and coming out of it thinking France were the better side need help. England were by far the better side and got robbed by a few terrible decisions and a terrible missed pen.I'll get in touch with some kind of Counsellor then!I agree England were the better side in the 2nd half once they were given licence to play. But the first half scoreline was a fair reflection.In that first half England's possession was mainly slow, ponderous and pointless. So many 1-2's between centre halfs in their own half, balls into the midfield which were immediately returned and players standing on the ball pointing.The French in comparison when given the opportunity attacked with pace. Where this wasn't possible, in complete contrast to England, they played possession football at a decent tempo in their opponents half probing the England defence and getting their creative players on the ball.England's ponderous, unadventurous first half display gave a quality French team a half time head start which they could ill afford to allow them. Even when second best top class sides can hurt you in an instance - as the French second goal showed.I'll repeat over the 90 minutes the braver and better side won.