Protest Vote for next general election

[roverstillidie91]

The guy on this video hits the nail on the head, not limited to this video only however there is plenty of content on there, for which there is also the EIE campaign and other associated campaigns.

With Conservatives just serving their oligarch friends and it looks inevitable that Keir Starmer is going to do the same and pander for the big press rather than the people i.e. daily mail, the sun, daily express - who buys that filth anyway.

What it requires is like the guy says is proportional representation, unless Labour/Conservatives/ Lib Dems or any other main party is willing to do what the people want. It is time for smaller parties to get a stronghold within the political system to get the policies that we want not what the billionaires want.

And he strikes a note in the video - We should rethink who we are..

Which is why I believe a tactical vote for either smaller parties or independents to get seats or even a hung parliament so Labour or Conservatives cannot wield their wants on all of us.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTR9Pnsd0Sc

[tyke1962]

There's little doubt in my mind that both the Tory and Labour Party are finished as credible political party's .

Neither will offer PR and to force it through protest would require millions of people going out and actually doing it .

The only way the political system in this country will come towards working people isn't going to be won through the ballot box .

I'll leave you to work out how that would be achieved if it ever could be and this country is way too divided for that to ever happen .

Apathy has replaced protest although it still exists but not in sufficient  numbers to replace the system in my opinion .

[Axholme Lion]

The only way the political system in this country will come towards working people isn't going to be won through the ballot box .

Dead right. We need a strong leader to raise the people to take back OUR country for the WORKING masses by any means required.

[Bristol Red Rover]

There has to be a "none of the above" option.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The only way the political system in this country will come towards working people isn't going to be won through the ballot box .

Dead right. We need a strong leader to raise the people to take back OUR country for the WORKING masses by any means required.

Presumably you're in favour of terrorism and murder to get what you want.

[River Don]

So what would this new strong dictator do for the working masses?

[BillyStubbsTears]

The only way the political system in this country will come towards working people isn't going to be won through the ballot box .

Dead right. We need a strong leader to raise the people to take back OUR country for the WORKING masses by any means required.

A Fuhrer perhaps. Leading a party committed to a strong Government to look after their own country's workers?

A sort of National Socialist English Workers' Party?

[Bentley Bullet]

Starmer could be the answer.


 if someone tells him what the question is.

[roverstillidie91]

There's little doubt in my mind that both the Tory and Labour Party are finished as credible political party's .

Neither will offer PR and to force it through protest would require millions of people going out and actually doing it .

The only way the political system in this country will come towards working people isn't going to be won through the ballot box .

I'll leave you to work out how that would be achieved if it ever could be and this country is way too divided for that to ever happen .

Apathy has replaced protest although it still exists but not in sufficient  numbers to replace the system in my opinion .

It just needs to make people see sense about what has been happening over the last 40 years under both.

It will be interesting to see who people will vote for who have gone away from Labour and Conservatives though however.

[wilts rover]

The only way the political system in this country will come towards working people isn't going to be won through the ballot box .

Dead right. We need a strong leader to raise the people to take back OUR country for the WORKING masses by any means required.

The Working Masses have overwhelmingly voted Labour in the past 2 General Elections.

It has been those of non-working age, allied with the small percentage such as yourself who thought that voting for Old Etonian millionaires would benefit the working masses, who have decided the result.

https://www.britishelectionstudy.com/bes-findings/age-and-voting-behaviour-at-the-2019-general-election/

[ravenrover]

Trouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote?

[bpoolrover]

Trouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote?

you woukd think most people who work will have some sort of I’d that will be acceptable, it will be the people that don’t work that possibly won’t have it or youngsters

[wilts rover]

Trouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote?

you woukd think most people who work will have some sort of I’d that will be acceptable, it will be the people that don’t work that possibly won’t have it or youngsters

No it will be people under 65 who don't drive or dont travel abroad who will struggle.

EU identity cards will be valid so it could be that EU citizens (with leave to remain) can vote in the next GE whilst UK citizens can't.

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-that-you-can-use-in-uk-elections-and-how-to-get-it/

[bpoolrover]

Trouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote?

you woukd think most people who work will have some sort of I’d that will be acceptable, it will be the people that don’t work that possibly won’t have it or youngsters

No it will be people under 65 who don't drive or dont travel abroad who will struggle.

EU identity cards will be valid so it could be that EU citizens (with leave to remain) can vote in the next GE whilst UK citizens can't.

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-that-you-can-use-in-uk-elections-and-how-to-get-it/

surely they make it easy enough to get some other form of I’d that will be acceptable

[ravenrover]

Think about the elderly, how many over 70 will hold some form of ID? Passports really only came into the hands of working clas in the late 60's 70's when foreign package holidays became affordable How many of that generation will still have passports, the only ID most over 70's will have will be a bus pass is that acceptable?

[BobG]

My Mum has no passport.

BobG

[drfchound]

Trouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote?

you woukd think most people who work will have some sort of I’d that will be acceptable, it will be the people that don’t work that possibly won’t have it or youngsters

No it will be people under 65 who don't drive or dont travel abroad who will struggle.

EU identity cards will be valid so it could be that EU citizens (with leave to remain) can vote in the next GE whilst UK citizens can't.

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-that-you-can-use-in-uk-elections-and-how-to-get-it/

surely they make it easy enough to get some other form of I’d that will be acceptable

What about the National Insurance Number?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Trouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote?

you woukd think most people who work will have some sort of I’d that will be acceptable, it will be the people that don’t work that possibly won’t have it or youngsters

No it will be people under 65 who don't drive or dont travel abroad who will struggle.

EU identity cards will be valid so it could be that EU citizens (with leave to remain) can vote in the next GE whilst UK citizens can't.

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-that-you-can-use-in-uk-elections-and-how-to-get-it/

surely they make it easy enough to get some other form of I’d that will be acceptable

Oh, bless. You think this is about trying to make voting easy for honest people?

[bpoolrover]

Trouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote?

you woukd think most people who work will have some sort of I’d that will be acceptable, it will be the people that don’t work that possibly won’t have it or youngsters

No it will be people under 65 who don't drive or dont travel abroad who will struggle.

EU identity cards will be valid so it could be that EU citizens (with leave to remain) can vote in the next GE whilst UK citizens can't.

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-that-you-can-use-in-uk-elections-and-how-to-get-it/

surely they make it easy enough to get some other form of I’d that will be acceptable

Oh, bless. You think this is about trying to make voting easy for honest people?

it will depend on what Id they accept 86 percent of people have a passport and if they accept photo id on driving licence and possibly bus passes that number will be over 90 percent, many other countries do it, I just think your making more of it that needs be

[ravenrover]

So only 4 cases of voter fraud at the last election but now according to this lot our elections are open to fraud on an industrial scale..... really? Maybe they should keeo their eyes on Russian interference.
Interesting figure of 86% with a passport where did you pick that one up from? What about the other 10%, as you put it, they not allowed to vote?
It's purely political, anything to try to cling to power

[albie]

There has to be a "none of the above" option.

There is, it is called staying at home.

This is already clear in the turnout for by-elections, and is a big challenge to the modern democracy.
If people do not think that Sunak or Keith offer something that resonates, it is either the smaller parties or just refuse to take part.

Greens will get a lift in the places that they already have a foothold. LDems will pick up, but many have not forgotten the betrayals of Clegg.

[danumdon]

There has to be a "none of the above" option.

There is, it is called staying at home.

This is already clear in the turnout for by-elections, and is a big challenge to the modern democracy.
If people do not think that Sunak or Keith offer something that resonates, it is either the smaller parties or just refuse to take part.

Greens will get a lift in the places that they already have a foothold. LDems will pick up, but many have not forgotten the betrayals of Clegg.

This is something that all incoming or re elected governments have paid little attention to in the past. Its probable a large percentage of none voters are so because of the "none of the above" situation. How governments in the past seem to have dealt with this is very unsatisfactory, their current dalliance with "focus groups" is a complete sham as they tend to favour groups and whatever gets said beforehand they tend to be made up of their own support, what do you learn in that situation?

I'd say that it currently looks like a very convoluted result will emerge in the next 18months or so to a GE. Really not liking the direction of this government, have no clue about where a Labour one may take us, with the smaller and independent groups all over the place it looks very much like another session of make it up as you go along, the very last thing this country and economy needs.

When we need a strong government with an enterprising and inspirational leader we will end up with the utter incompetence and scared to do anything that may look like we don't know sh*t we see before our eyes right now.

What a choice, more years of fudge and muddle.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Albie.

Doubtless you have evidence that by-election turnouts in the past three years are well down in those we saw when Corbyn was Labour leader?

[SydneyRover]

So only 4 cases of voter fraud at the last election but now according to this lot our elections are open to fraud on an industrial scale..... really? Maybe they should keeo their eyes on Russian interference.
Interesting figure of 86% with a passport where did you pick that one up from? What about the other 10%, as you put it, they not allowed to vote?
It's purely political, anything to try to cling to power

How many people are going to be disenfranchised trying to stop 4 cases of fraud.

[Branton Red]

No it will be people under 65 who don't drive or dont travel abroad who will struggle.

i.e. People more likely to vote Labour.

Pretty despicable from the Tories this.

And, of course, wholly unnecessary as we are all sent polling cards which can be checked at the polling station.

Yet nothing, so far, to stem the rise in postal voting given how this potentially disenfranchises the many people living in households with an overbearing/domineering individual.

[bpoolrover]

So only 4 cases of voter fraud at the last election but now according to this lot our elections are open to fraud on an industrial scale..... really? Maybe they should keeo their eyes on Russian interference.
Interesting figure of 86% with a passport where did you pick that one up from? What about the other 10%, as you put it, they not allowed to vote?
It's purely political, anything to try to cling to power

I got it from the 2021 census, and then there is the other forms of id

[bpoolrover]

You need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?

[BillyStubbsTears]

You need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?

1) You DON'T have to have a photo ID to open a bank account.

2) Many of the standard photo IDs that young people can use to prove their age and identity when buying ale or fags are not on the list of acceptable voter ID.

This is a straight up attempt at viter suppression, directly out of the playbook of the Republicans in the USA who have systematically done similar things to suppress the black vote.

[SydneyRover]

You need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?

you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no?

[bpoolrover]

You need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?

you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no?  I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life