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The only way the political system in this country will come towards working people isn't going to be won through the ballot box .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 27, 2022, 12:32:33 pmThe only way the political system in this country will come towards working people isn't going to be won through the ballot box .Dead right. We need a strong leader to raise the people to take back OUR country for the WORKING masses by any means required.
There's little doubt in my mind that both the Tory and Labour Party are finished as credible political party's .Neither will offer PR and to force it through protest would require millions of people going out and actually doing it .The only way the political system in this country will come towards working people isn't going to be won through the ballot box .I'll leave you to work out how that would be achieved if it ever could be and this country is way too divided for that to ever happen .Apathy has replaced protest although it still exists but not in sufficient numbers to replace the system in my opinion .
Trouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote?
Quote from: ravenrover on December 18, 2022, 04:26:22 pmTrouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote? you woukd think most people who work will have some sort of I’d that will be acceptable, it will be the people that don’t work that possibly won’t have it or youngsters
Quote from: bpoolrover on December 18, 2022, 09:07:24 pmQuote from: ravenrover on December 18, 2022, 04:26:22 pmTrouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote? you woukd think most people who work will have some sort of I’d that will be acceptable, it will be the people that don’t work that possibly won’t have it or youngsters No it will be people under 65 who don't drive or dont travel abroad who will struggle.EU identity cards will be valid so it could be that EU citizens (with leave to remain) can vote in the next GE whilst UK citizens can't.https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-that-you-can-use-in-uk-elections-and-how-to-get-it/
Quote from: wilts rover on December 18, 2022, 10:02:14 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on December 18, 2022, 09:07:24 pmQuote from: ravenrover on December 18, 2022, 04:26:22 pmTrouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote? you woukd think most people who work will have some sort of I’d that will be acceptable, it will be the people that don’t work that possibly won’t have it or youngsters No it will be people under 65 who don't drive or dont travel abroad who will struggle.EU identity cards will be valid so it could be that EU citizens (with leave to remain) can vote in the next GE whilst UK citizens can't.https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-that-you-can-use-in-uk-elections-and-how-to-get-it/ surely they make it easy enough to get some other form of I’d that will be acceptable
Quote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 02:25:06 amQuote from: wilts rover on December 18, 2022, 10:02:14 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on December 18, 2022, 09:07:24 pmQuote from: ravenrover on December 18, 2022, 04:26:22 pmTrouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote? you woukd think most people who work will have some sort of I’d that will be acceptable, it will be the people that don’t work that possibly won’t have it or youngsters No it will be people under 65 who don't drive or dont travel abroad who will struggle.EU identity cards will be valid so it could be that EU citizens (with leave to remain) can vote in the next GE whilst UK citizens can't.https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-that-you-can-use-in-uk-elections-and-how-to-get-it/ surely they make it easy enough to get some other form of I’d that will be acceptable Oh, bless. You think this is about trying to make voting easy for honest people?
There has to be a "none of the above" option.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on November 29, 2022, 04:23:15 pmThere has to be a "none of the above" option.There is, it is called staying at home.This is already clear in the turnout for by-elections, and is a big challenge to the modern democracy.If people do not think that Sunak or Keith offer something that resonates, it is either the smaller parties or just refuse to take part.Greens will get a lift in the places that they already have a foothold. LDems will pick up, but many have not forgotten the betrayals of Clegg.
There has to be a "none of the above" option.
So only 4 cases of voter fraud at the last election but now according to this lot our elections are open to fraud on an industrial scale..... really? Maybe they should keeo their eyes on Russian interference.Interesting figure of 86% with a passport where did you pick that one up from? What about the other 10%, as you put it, they not allowed to vote?It's purely political, anything to try to cling to power
No it will be people under 65 who don't drive or dont travel abroad who will struggle.
You need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?
Quote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 09:54:22 pmYou need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life