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Quote from: SydneyRover on December 19, 2022, 10:28:07 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 09:54:22 pmYou need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life No you haven't agreed with it bp but you haven't supported the other side of the argument either have you?
Quote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 09:54:22 pmYou need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life
You need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?
Quote from: SydneyRover on December 19, 2022, 10:28:07 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 09:54:22 pmYou need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life
Quote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 11:31:18 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on December 19, 2022, 10:28:07 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 09:54:22 pmYou need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life But a large number of people don't! That's the point!
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 20, 2022, 12:03:18 amQuote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 11:31:18 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on December 19, 2022, 10:28:07 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 09:54:22 pmYou need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life But a large number of people don't! That's the point! hopefully they will come up with a scheme that enables them to acquire some then
You would think that it would benefit labour anyway as a study showed 99 percent of younger people had photo id and the lowest was over 85s which some on here say there the Tory voters
Quote from: bpoolrover on December 20, 2022, 12:19:20 amYou would think that it would benefit labour anyway as a study showed 99 percent of younger people had photo id and the lowest was over 85s which some on here say there the Tory votersIn that case you would think that labour supported it and the tories wouldn't bp, I've missed your input in off topic.
Quote from: bpoolrover on December 20, 2022, 12:15:37 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 20, 2022, 12:03:18 amQuote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 11:31:18 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on December 19, 2022, 10:28:07 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 09:54:22 pmYou need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life But a large number of people don't! That's the point! hopefully they will come up with a scheme that enables them to acquire some then They haven't! They've had three years to do so and they haven't. They've got vague mutterings about local authorities being able to give out ID cards, but they haven't given any funding for this, and experts say it would be impossible to implement at this notice anyway. Why not read up about this instead of assuming it'll be alright?Here's a start.https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-list-gives-few-options-for-younger-voters/"During the passage of the Elections Act we successfully campaigned to extend the list of acceptable IDs. A cross-party group of peers passed an amendment that would have seen student IDs, library cards, bank statements and other easily accessible forms of ID accepted at polling stations. These options would have provided an important backstop for voters who don’t have more expensive forms of identity documents, like passports, and who may not have been able to access the voting certificate option."The government’s decision to repeal this amendment during the final stages of the bill means that voters now have far fewer options on polling day."
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 20, 2022, 12:39:24 amQuote from: bpoolrover on December 20, 2022, 12:15:37 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 20, 2022, 12:03:18 amQuote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 11:31:18 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on December 19, 2022, 10:28:07 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 09:54:22 pmYou need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life But a large number of people don't! That's the point! hopefully they will come up with a scheme that enables them to acquire some then They haven't! They've had three years to do so and they haven't. They've got vague mutterings about local authorities being able to give out ID cards, but they haven't given any funding for this, and experts say it would be impossible to implement at this notice anyway. Why not read up about this instead of assuming it'll be alright?Here's a start.https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-list-gives-few-options-for-younger-voters/"During the passage of the Elections Act we successfully campaigned to extend the list of acceptable IDs. A cross-party group of peers passed an amendment that would have seen student IDs, library cards, bank statements and other easily accessible forms of ID accepted at polling stations. These options would have provided an important backstop for voters who don’t have more expensive forms of identity documents, like passports, and who may not have been able to access the voting certificate option."The government’s decision to repeal this amendment during the final stages of the bill means that voters now have far fewer options on polling day."Meanwhile, it's just another day in 21st Century UK and the Tories' plan to disenfranchise millions of voters goes on. And here's a lying Cabinet Minister lying about it. https://mobile.twitter.com/BrandonLewis/status/1613576330574012416"Similar to when you pick up a package"? Well that's fine then. Loads of ID will do.Or...err...https://mobile.twitter.com/arthistorynews/status/1614940185355079684In a poll last week, only 30% of people had heard that photo ID was going to be needed to vote. Many fewer had heard what ID was acceptable. But 62% had heard a lot about in-person voter fraud and believed it was happening on an industrial scale. Whereas on the whole of 2019, there was ONE conviction.It's happening folks. Right under your eyes. A non-probkem being used to disenfranchise millions of people. And no-one seems to give a f**k.
Quote from: bpoolrover on December 20, 2022, 12:15:37 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 20, 2022, 12:03:18 amQuote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 11:31:18 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on December 19, 2022, 10:28:07 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 09:54:22 pmYou need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life But a large number of people don't! That's the point! hopefully they will come up with a scheme that enables them to acquire some then They haven't! They've had three years to do so and they haven't. They've got vague mutterings about local authorities being able to give out ID cards, but they haven't given any funding for this, and experts say it would be impossible to implement at this notice anyway. Why not read up about this instead of assuming it'll be alright?Here's a start.https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-list-gives-few-options-for-younger-voters/"During the passage of the Elections Act we successfully campaigned to extend the list of acceptable IDs. A cross-party group of peers passed an amendment that would have seen student IDs, library cards, bank statements and other easily accessible forms of ID accepted at polling stations. These options would have provided an important backstop for voters who don’t have more expensive forms of identity documents, like passports, and who may not have been able to access the voting certificate option."The government’s decision to repeal this amendment during the final stages of the bill means that voters now have far fewer options on polling day."
It's a despicable trick again , an Electoral " ploy" with one aim to suppress Voting. It is not anecdotal that there were so few examples of "voter fraud". These are figures regularly availableAltering Constituency Boundaries is another way of stacking the odds a certain wayMy hope though (of a non Conservative Govt) after next election would be that those that cannot be arsed to get Voter ID will largely come from the 33% of those who can't be arsed to Vote and so be of a minimal impact
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 17, 2023, 02:29:39 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 20, 2022, 12:39:24 amQuote from: bpoolrover on December 20, 2022, 12:15:37 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 20, 2022, 12:03:18 amQuote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 11:31:18 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on December 19, 2022, 10:28:07 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 09:54:22 pmYou need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life But a large number of people don't! That's the point! hopefully they will come up with a scheme that enables them to acquire some then They haven't! They've had three years to do so and they haven't. They've got vague mutterings about local authorities being able to give out ID cards, but they haven't given any funding for this, and experts say it would be impossible to implement at this notice anyway. Why not read up about this instead of assuming it'll be alright?Here's a start.https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-list-gives-few-options-for-younger-voters/"During the passage of the Elections Act we successfully campaigned to extend the list of acceptable IDs. A cross-party group of peers passed an amendment that would have seen student IDs, library cards, bank statements and other easily accessible forms of ID accepted at polling stations. These options would have provided an important backstop for voters who don’t have more expensive forms of identity documents, like passports, and who may not have been able to access the voting certificate option."The government’s decision to repeal this amendment during the final stages of the bill means that voters now have far fewer options on polling day."Meanwhile, it's just another day in 21st Century UK and the Tories' plan to disenfranchise millions of voters goes on. And here's a lying Cabinet Minister lying about it. https://mobile.twitter.com/BrandonLewis/status/1613576330574012416"Similar to when you pick up a package"? Well that's fine then. Loads of ID will do.Or...err...https://mobile.twitter.com/arthistorynews/status/1614940185355079684In a poll last week, only 30% of people had heard that photo ID was going to be needed to vote. Many fewer had heard what ID was acceptable. But 62% had heard a lot about in-person voter fraud and believed it was happening on an industrial scale. Whereas on the whole of 2019, there was ONE conviction.It's happening folks. Right under your eyes. A non-probkem being used to disenfranchise millions of people. And no-one seems to give a f**k. I feel like there is public tension brewing in all honesty about the goings on with this government.It is all about taking control and being a dictatorial political party we should have seen this when it was covid and they was trying to control us and fining people 10,000 for walking their dog
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 20, 2022, 12:39:24 amQuote from: bpoolrover on December 20, 2022, 12:15:37 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 20, 2022, 12:03:18 amQuote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 11:31:18 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on December 19, 2022, 10:28:07 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 09:54:22 pmYou need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life But a large number of people don't! That's the point! hopefully they will come up with a scheme that enables them to acquire some then They haven't! They've had three years to do so and they haven't. They've got vague mutterings about local authorities being able to give out ID cards, but they haven't given any funding for this, and experts say it would be impossible to implement at this notice anyway. Why not read up about this instead of assuming it'll be alright?Here's a start.https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-list-gives-few-options-for-younger-voters/"During the passage of the Elections Act we successfully campaigned to extend the list of acceptable IDs. A cross-party group of peers passed an amendment that would have seen student IDs, library cards, bank statements and other easily accessible forms of ID accepted at polling stations. These options would have provided an important backstop for voters who don’t have more expensive forms of identity documents, like passports, and who may not have been able to access the voting certificate option."The government’s decision to repeal this amendment during the final stages of the bill means that voters now have far fewer options on polling day."Meanwhile, it's just another day in 21st Century UK and the Tories' plan to disenfranchise millions of voters goes on. And here's a lying Cabinet Minister lying about it. https://mobile.twitter.com/BrandonLewis/status/1613576330574012416"Similar to when you pick up a package"? Well that's fine then. Loads of ID will do.Or...err...https://mobile.twitter.com/arthistorynews/status/1614940185355079684In a poll last week, only 30% of people had heard that photo ID was going to be needed to vote. Many fewer had heard what ID was acceptable. But 62% had heard a lot about in-person voter fraud and believed it was happening on an industrial scale. Whereas on the whole of 2019, there was ONE conviction.It's happening folks. Right under your eyes. A non-probkem being used to disenfranchise millions of people. And no-one seems to give a f**k.
Quote from: bpoolrover on December 20, 2022, 12:15:37 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 20, 2022, 12:03:18 amQuote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 11:31:18 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on December 19, 2022, 10:28:07 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on December 19, 2022, 09:54:22 pmYou need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life But a large number of people don't! That's the point! hopefully they will come up with a scheme that enables them to acquire some then They haven't! They've had three years to do so and they haven't. They've got vague mutterings about local authorities being able to give out ID cards, but they haven't given any funding for this, and experts say it would be impossible to implement at this notice anyway. Why not read up about this instead of assuming it'll be alright?Here's a start.https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-list-gives-few-options-for-younger-voters/"During the passage of the Elections Act we successfully campaigned to extend the list of acceptable IDs. A cross-party group of peers passed an amendment that would have seen student IDs, library cards, bank statements and other easily accessible forms of ID accepted at polling stations. These options would have provided an important backstop for voters who don’t have more expensive forms of identity documents, like passports, and who may not have been able to access the voting certificate option."The government’s decision to repeal this amendment during the final stages of the bill means that voters now have far fewer options on polling day."
Funny how the politicians talk about The Lockdown The War in Ukraine on having an effect on cost of living and inflation but no mention from any Party about the calamitous tenure of Trusstless and Kamikwazi and the effect of their mini budget. Or have I missed it?
Quote from: ravenrover on January 20, 2023, 04:54:41 pmFunny how the politicians talk about The Lockdown The War in Ukraine on having an effect on cost of living and inflation but no mention from any Party about the calamitous tenure of Trusstless and Kamikwazi and the effect of their mini budget. Or have I missed it?I’m not saying that it didn’t, but is there any evidence that it did?
Quote from: ncRover on January 20, 2023, 08:52:33 pmQuote from: ravenrover on January 20, 2023, 04:54:41 pmFunny how the politicians talk about The Lockdown The War in Ukraine on having an effect on cost of living and inflation but no mention from any Party about the calamitous tenure of Trusstless and Kamikwazi and the effect of their mini budget. Or have I missed it?I’m not saying that it didn’t, but is there any evidence that it did?Have you looked for any?
This will come as a surprise to some posters. Interested to hear what they think.https://twitter.com/rubenbmathisen/status/1614707243856936960?s=46&t=qTd69bQhvEPVVYGr7hpKxQ
This will come as a surprise to some posters. Interested to hear what they think.https://twitter.com/rubenbmathisen/status/1614707243856936960?s=46&t=qTd69bQhvEPVVYGr7hpKxQ
Quote from: wilts rover on January 20, 2023, 09:39:06 pmQuote from: ncRover on January 20, 2023, 08:52:33 pmQuote from: ravenrover on January 20, 2023, 04:54:41 pmFunny how the politicians talk about The Lockdown The War in Ukraine on having an effect on cost of living and inflation but no mention from any Party about the calamitous tenure of Trusstless and Kamikwazi and the effect of their mini budget. Or have I missed it?I’m not saying that it didn’t, but is there any evidence that it did?Have you looked for any?Yes but I’m not informed enough to find an example of clear lasting cause and effect from that budget to what we see today with the CoL crisis.Lockdown and Ukraine far bigger factors in what is a big and complex system.
I’ll have a read of that in the morning. What I meant was that countries that are lauded for their “fairer” approach such as Sweden (I think it was BST) have a higher % of total wealth owned by the top 1%.Apart from Belgium and Netherlands we have the lowest % there in Western Europe. Would you have expected that?
Quote from: ncRover on January 20, 2023, 10:00:07 pmQuote from: wilts rover on January 20, 2023, 09:39:06 pmQuote from: ncRover on January 20, 2023, 08:52:33 pmQuote from: ravenrover on January 20, 2023, 04:54:41 pmFunny how the politicians talk about The Lockdown The War in Ukraine on having an effect on cost of living and inflation but no mention from any Party about the calamitous tenure of Trusstless and Kamikwazi and the effect of their mini budget. Or have I missed it?I’m not saying that it didn’t, but is there any evidence that it did?Have you looked for any?Yes but I’m not informed enough to find an example of clear lasting cause and effect from that budget to what we see today with the CoL crisis.Lockdown and Ukraine far bigger factors in what is a big and complex system.Really?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/63229204
Quote from: ncRover on January 20, 2023, 10:18:05 pmI’ll have a read of that in the morning. What I meant was that countries that are lauded for their “fairer” approach such as Sweden (I think it was BST) have a higher % of total wealth owned by the top 1%.Apart from Belgium and Netherlands we have the lowest % there in Western Europe. Would you have expected that?I hope you are not basing this comment on your coloured map with zero explanation nc