Bobby Faulkener out on loan

[Chris Black come back]

We’ve got Anderson, Williams, Long, Faulkner and Olowu on the books as centre backs, and seemingly Rowe and Knoyle as back three centre backs. Now, collectively the defensive unit is dross but we have a lot of individuals there who aside from Faulkner will be on decent money for us. We need to dramatically improve the defensive performance but is it too much to ask to get a tune out of this million man defensive army, before we spend yet more money?

[danumdon]

Well, we've tried all season and are yet to hit on a successful formula.

If we can offload some then we may be able to bring in better quality.

Remember this was the defence that more or less that had us relegated last season, this season has not seen any improvements that we can build a successful promotional challenge with.

[Chris Black come back]

Anderson, Williams and Olowu all out of contract in the summer. Long and Faulkner summer 2024.

Forgot Ollie Younger as well, who is a centre back firstly. Out of contract this summer.

[steve@dcfd]

In an article from free press Bobby is going to cover an injury to one of their centre halves so should play games.

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-james-coppinger-explains-decision-to-loan-bobby-faulkner-to-worksop-town-3957481

[Cramby10]

In an article from free press Bobby is going to cover an injury to one of their centre halves so should play games.

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-james-coppinger-explains-decision-to-loan-bobby-faulkner-to-worksop-town-3957481

simply cannot believe what I am reading. Love Copps but this must be the biggest load of guff to come out his mouth. He hasn’t the experience of this “playing style”? Yet possibly the worst footballer in the football league, RSW, has?? Ridiculous. We really are a disaster right now.

[Barmby Rover]

I bet his agent is loving it, properly annoying the lad, if what is said on here is true and that he "can't play as the manager wants, the agent is rubbing his hands and seeing £ signs as he touts him around other clubs to get a nice fat fee for him. If that is the case it is another fail for the club. Good luck to the lad.

[Metalmicky]

In an article from free press Bobby is going to cover an injury to one of their centre halves so should play games.

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-james-coppinger-explains-decision-to-loan-bobby-faulkner-to-worksop-town-3957481

simply cannot believe what I am reading. Love Copps but this must be the biggest load of guff to come out his mouth. He hasn’t the experience of this “playing style”? Yet possibly the worst footballer in the football league, RSW, has?? Ridiculous. We really are a disaster right now.

So let me get this right - you're simple and can't believe what you are reading... However, you think that Copps is talking 'guff' and the manager doesn't have an understanding off what the lad needs best.  Added to that we are a 'disaster' sitting 2 points off the play-offs........ OK fella   

[Cramby10]

Yep

[Canadian Rover]

Is this the role of the first team transition coach?

Loan young lads out to Worksop?

Yet we have the young lad Woltman who gets chance after chance in our first team because he's from Liverpool?

I really am at a loss on how we treat our youth players who progress (or don't mire accurately). This reasoning of Faulkner not being able to play Danny's style of football is horrendous reasoning.

The fans see he's a decent player with potential. We accept he'll have a bad game and isn't the finished article - but he's 100% worthy of a place in our first team squad (and in my view should be in the starting XI).

[ForsolongaRover]

Did not Woltman get his chance in the first team after publicly complaining about not getting starts? No doubt Liverpool will be grateful. No one on here had felt strongly enough to make a case for him, yet most of those who have seen Faulkner see not only potential, but useful current value.

We may be urged to accept the judgment of the coach supported by the HoFO, but in doing so it does seem that effectiveness is lower in the priorities than the coach’s required playing style and systems.

[Colemans Left Hook]

  I remember hearing they had a Mr Moneybags now in charge of the former "debt ridden club" and they were going down the "ambition route"

I've  cracked it why he's gone there ...   we've been bartering  with Worksop-

 obviously part of the  loan deal is

that the Worksop Chairmans company becomes   our new match day caterer and provide "the match catering" 
 

food for thought this one

https://www.windsorfoodservice.co.uk/about-windsor

could say its a win win situation



following on from that...
Has anyone at the club suggested that his company get  bit of advertising exposure at the ECO ?   Could at least sponsor the lads shirt or something -- if  we still do that sort of thing

Selby has he passed his driving test yet ? ( it took Bogle a long time to pass and leave Grimsby for Wigan)  that might restrict him --  At his age it's a good idea to stay at home and focus on football

we don't want him to  go down "  the road of Mandalay Manderville" he did nothing when on loan at mighty Whitby Town - think they sent him back .....

 

[Padge_DRFC]

Woltman looks like someone you want in your 5 a side team not in a league 2 11 a side misters league.

[Lesonthewest]

Is this the role of the first team transition coach?

Loan young lads out to Worksop?

Yet we have the young lad Woltman who gets chance after chance in our first team because he's from Liverpool?

I really am at a loss on how we treat our youth players who progress (or don't mire accurately). This reasoning of Faulkner not being able to play Danny's style of football is horrendous reasoning.

The fans see he's a decent player with potential. We accept he'll have a bad game and isn't the finished article - but he's 100% worthy of a place in our first team squad (and in my view should be in the starting XI).

Don't understand this at all. Of all the defenders we have, he should be the first name on the team sheet, whatever style we play. Huge talent.

[ravenrover]

In front of Olowu or Anderson? He is a great prospect but there needs to more to his game than just being a strong tackler/header

[Padge_DRFC]

He's not better than Anderson and Owulu currently. He should be playing in at least the conference north on loan minimum

[Thorney]

While he probably shouldn't be infront of Anderson, I'd debate on olowu, he is definitely good enough on the bench coming on around the 60th minute to add energy to the defence when needed 

[Canadian Rover]

Let's go FIFA/Football manager style and look at his attributes vs RSW, Long, Oluwu, Anderson and Rowe & Knoyle as CBs only.

Or even as a scout.

How would you rate Faulkner?

[German Rover]

Bit concerning for Bobby, could this be the beginning of the end for Bobby at the rovers, and him being the next Harry Middleton or Liam Wakefield.

The manager doesn't fancy him, and potentially could move him on to free up space in the club.


He will be training still with the rovers so hopefully can continue to improve and make it impossible for him to be pushed out.

Hopefully I'm wrong about him being on the way out? But can't help but think it's what's happening.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

He needs to develop somewhere and he can do this whilst playing elsewhere.  He's got loads of potential to be very good. But he's nowhere near the finished article or league 2 ready in my view as he isn't that great with the ball at his feet.

That williams isn't a great player imo doesn't mean this is a bad move, it isn't.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Bit concerning for Bobby, could this be the beginning of the end for Bobby at the rovers, and him being the next Harry Middleton or Liam Wakefield.

The manager doesn't fancy him, and potentially could move him on to free up space in the club.


He will be training still with the rovers so hopefully can continue to improve and make it impossible for him to be pushed out.

Hopefully I'm wrong about him being on the way out? But can't help but think it's what's happening.

Very good observation and comparison to Middleton and Wakefield. Both highly promising but just couldn't quite make it when their chances came.

Wakefield just not quite sturdy enough to be a regular centre half and not quite up to the full back role when tested there.

Middleton got regular chances and displayed many positive signs with passing and tackling but, seemed to have a blind spot in being caught in possession too often and not quite having enough pace or speed of thought to get out of trouble in tight situations.

I'm sure we hope Faulkner can make the grade but he has a long way to go in accumulating minutes and experience in a very unforgiving environment. Fans enthusiasm and patience wears thin very quickly when mistakes cost goals.

[selby]

  Let's put yesterday in context, he is just 18yrs old has had two training sessions with a team that is top of their division at a decent standard and was going into the game with expectation on his shoulders of recently being seen playing well at division 2 level, so all eyes on him and expectancy.
 And he rocked up and breezed through the game playing very well in front of three scouts from other clubs that will be sniffing a cheap option now our own publicity machine at the cub has undermined his value in the transfer market.
  The Stockton manager even came the old nutshell give him some stick he is a young lad in the second half, and he withstood a physical going  over both on and off the ball, more chance of seeing Putin at a peace rally buddy.
   As for technical ability he did everything right, tackling and heading is a given with him, and yesterday he mixed it up just right, getting rid of the ball when under pressure going long and played the ball out to feet when it was the right time to do it, and also handled the inevitable media attention a performance like that attracts even at that level very well.
  So he will have impressed the teams that were bothered to monitor his game, no doubt looking for a cheap young player.

[ravenrover]

You're falling into the Mandeville trap again Selby, hope this time the lad does come good

[Canadian Rover]

You're falling into the Mandeville trap again Selby, hope this time the lad does come good

He won't come good with us as we won't give him a chance. Name the last youth player we gave propert support, guidance and opportunities to.

[selby]

  RR, Mandeville isn't doing bad for himself and would breeze into this technical lot we have got now, but would probably think we were not good enough for him now.
  There is every chance he is one of the main players in a better side than we currently have, and he certainly had more skill as an eighteen year old who liked a drink than some of this lot currently here if this seasons showings are the best they can produce.

[Canadian Rover]

Let's look at this way RE: Faulkner.

Apparently he needs improving technically as a defender (our youth team coach) played 100s of games in the top flight won the FA Cup, league Cup a couple of times and a UEFA Cup winners Cup, he was also an international player. Surely he could either coach him to improve at this level or have the connections to send him elsewhere to further improve his technical abilites; as playing for Worksop ain't gonna cut it.

How many lads have broken through the Worksop team to establish themselves in league football? (genuine question and not a knock on Worksop Town).

For those with a deep connection to the club please speak up. We shouldn't accept these types of moves over and over again.

Expect incoming "hot prospects" to the club from "premier league clubs" Woltman for example isn't and never will be premier league quality yet here we are developing him for MK Dons or Cheltenham in the future.

What is the point to our youth system at all?

[NickDRFC]

  RR, Mandeville isn't doing bad for himself and would breeze into this technical lot we have got now, but would probably think we were not good enough for him now.
  There is every chance he is one of the main players in a better side than we currently have, and he certainly had more skill as an eighteen year old who liked a drink than some of this lot currently here if this seasons showings are the best they can produce.

Mandeville’ not played in the football league for 3 and a half years. Just because we’ve got some poor players doesn’t mean his career to date has been a success.

[selby]

Probanly not, it also dosen't mean that there are not better players in the National league than we have currently got, in my opinion there are better at that level, and at levels below that, and Mandeville is one of them.
  For instance the most skilled and talented player we have had playing for us this current season is a player coach at a lower league side, and he was past his best and not fit.
   Doesn't bode well for the rest does it.

[DaveDRFC]

People are aware Faulkner has literally only just turned 18? Worksop might be low down in the pyramid but they are destroying that league, surely going to breed confidence winning week after week. I don't buy this talk that he's being managed out, he's 18 years old for god's sake.

[drfchound]

If Alick had been around in the modern day I wonder whether he would have been farmed out as a 17 year old.

[Cramby10]

People are aware Faulkner has literally only just turned 18? Worksop might be low down in the pyramid but they are destroying that league, surely going to breed confidence winning week after week. I don't buy this talk that he's being managed out, he's 18 years old for god's sake.

i think any other time we would all be in agreement with what you say. But I rekon why everyone is so wound up about it, myself included, is that anyone with 2 eyes can see that there’s a player getting picked week in week out that’s not fit to lace his boots!