Extinction Rebellion

[wilts rover]

WE QUIT - Extinction Rebellion to cease tactics of public disruption for a new campaign of political disruption:

'As we ring in the new year, we make a controversial resolution to temporarily shift away from public disruption as a primary tactic. We recognise and celebrate the power of disruption to raise the alarm and believe that constantly evolving tactics is a necessary approach. What’s needed now most is to disrupt the abuse of power and imbalance, to bring about a transition to a fair society that works together to end the fossil fuel era. Our politicians, addicted to greed and bloated on profits won’t do it without pressure.'

https://extinctionrebellion.uk/2022/12/31/we-quit/

No idea what this might entail but it should be interesting.

[glosterred]

Sounds like they have finally realised that pissing off Joe Public ain’t working

[Nudga]

Be interesting to see who their backers are

[BobG]

Me for one Nudga.

BobG

[selby]

  A bit cold and damp on the old backside at this time of year and have been forgotten about

[ncRover]

“The risk of dying from climate-related disasters has declined.

As the global population quadrupled over the century, the risk declined by 99% from the 1920s to the 2010s

A spectacular 99.4% reduction from 1920s to 2022”

[albie]

Sorry NC Rover, but who are you quoting there.

Not sure at all what this is referring to, and how that conclusion can be reached!

[normal rules]

Seems they plan to surround the Houses of Parliament from April 21 with 100000 people. Probably a mass permanent encampment.
April 21 seems a bit specific?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sorry NC Rover, but who are you quoting there.

Not sure at all what this is referring to, and how that conclusion can be reached!

It comes from someone called Bjorn Lomberg. According to his Twitter bio is is, "Author of 'False Alarm', 'Cool It' and 'Skeptical Environmentalist'".

Given his previous track record on spreading climate change misinformation, I suspect it's b*llocks. But the trouble is, that sort of b*llocks finds sympathetic ears.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is him by the way.

https://twitter.com/BjornLomborg/status/1606259625669566465?s=20&t=V22l8QX_Gy8Li_Rp2SPZ2Q

I'll leave you to work out in how many ways this tweet is deliberately deceptive b*llocks.

[Colemans Left Hook]

Be interesting to see who their backers are

just do a bit of googling for the answer.

About 2 months ago on the tv  i accidentally came across some rich youngish american woman being interviewed on tv .. When pressed she said they would no longer fund peoples legal fees. After that i noticed

by googling


i now realise it was this one

https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2022/10/21/getty-oil-heiress-funds-climate-crisis-activism-just-stop-oil



Aileen Getty—the granddaughter of J. Paul Getty, the oil tycoon and founder of the Getty Museum in Los Angeles—co-founded the non-profit Climate Emergency Fund
(CEF) in 2019 and has reportedly donated $1m of her personal wealth to be used to support environmental activist groups, including Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion.


Their groups’ connection to an oil heiress has inadvertently heightened criticism around the nature of the protests, which have on occasion involved the vandalism of artworks and sometimes targeted institutions with no ties to funders involved in the fossil fuel industry. For example, the National Portrait Gallery announced in February that it would cease receiving funding from British Petroleum (BP) after their contract expires in December this year.


iT MAKES YOU WONDER WHY THEY DON'T STICK THEMSELVES TO SOME OF THE PAINTINGS IN THE GETTY MUSEUM HER GRANDFATHER FOUNDED OUT OF THE OIL PROFITS

[Nudga]

Weird how these people seem to have a free pass by "law enforcement" to do what they want like being able to walk onto the M25 and sit down, almost like they had a police escort. Same with the BLM activists but lockdown protests were met with true British policing with batons and police dogs.

[SydneyRover]

Probably because they are intelligent people with a large planning network and adhere to non-violent protest so they are not a physical threat to anyone including the police.

[Nudga]

Hahaha haha

[SydneyRover]

''When wood is burned, even in newer certified wood stoves, it creates localized particulate pollution hot spots and releases surprisingly high levels of harmful toxins such as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), benzene and dioxins into our environment. Wood smoke shares many of the same toxic chemical compounds as tobacco smoke, but evidence suggests it may be even more harmful''

https://woodsmokepollution.org/#:~:text=When%20wood%20is%20burned%2C%20even,and%20dioxins%20into%20our%20environment.

hohoho ho ho

[Nudga]

And yet just ten years ago woodburners were lauded as a carbon neutral renewable source of heat.

[SydneyRover]

Maybe they were nudga but times change, they are a health hazard until someone finds a a way to refuel them without releasing toxins into the room.

[SydneyRover]

Probably because they are intelligent people with a large planning network and adhere to non-violent protest so they are not a physical threat to anyone including the police.

Getting back on topic, as I was saying they are intelligent, clever enough to change when they can see things aren't going to plan, just think how better the world would be if putin did the same or the tories could ...... nah not a chance

[ncRover]

This is him by the way.

https://twitter.com/BjornLomborg/status/1606259625669566465?s=20&t=V22l8QX_Gy8Li_Rp2SPZ2Q

I'll leave you to work out in how many ways this tweet is deliberately deceptive b*llocks.

It’s not saying that the climate isn’t changing. It’s showing how as humans have progressed that we have become better adapted at surviving extreme weather.

If you can disprove this info I’m all ears BST.

It exposes the idea of an “extinction” that these extremist protestors talk about. We can go through some of their disinformation and a list of climate predictions that haven’t come true? That doesn’t mean I automatically dismiss everything they say though, like you are doing.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Nc.

I never, ever "automatically dismiss everything". What I DO do, is have a healthy approach of scepticism to the pronouncements of anyone who I know has a record of choosing to mislead people.

Lomberg did it over the so called "hiatus" in increasing global temperatures ten years ago. He's just done it in that tweet I linked to. When I see people doing that, I assume it's a deliberate feature of their work, not an honest error. So I don't accept what they say in future, unless THEY can set out a clear, open and unambiguously argued case.

He hasn't done. He's just published a graph without explaining the context.

[Nudga]

Maybe they were nudga but times change, they are a health hazard until someone finds a a way to refuel them without releasing toxins into the room.

And yet toasters and candles are still ok to use.
Burners that are installed correctly and serviced regularly shouldn't smoke back into the room at all.
Mine don't.

[wilts rover]

This is him by the way.

https://twitter.com/BjornLomborg/status/1606259625669566465?s=20&t=V22l8QX_Gy8Li_Rp2SPZ2Q

I'll leave you to work out in how many ways this tweet is deliberately deceptive b*llocks.

It’s not saying that the climate isn’t changing. It’s showing how as humans have progressed that we have become better adapted at surviving extreme weather.

If you can disprove this info I’m all ears BST.

It exposes the idea of an “extinction” that these extremist protestors talk about. We can go through some of their disinformation and a list of climate predictions that haven’t come true? That doesn’t mean I automatically dismiss everything they say though, like you are doing.

Really? And what 'idea of an extinction' have you exposed here then when you have ignored species going extinct?

https://www.macleans.ca/society/science/infographic-charting-the-worlds-sixth-mass-exinction/

[ncRover]

This is him by the way.

https://twitter.com/BjornLomborg/status/1606259625669566465?s=20&t=V22l8QX_Gy8Li_Rp2SPZ2Q

I'll leave you to work out in how many ways this tweet is deliberately deceptive b*llocks.

It’s not saying that the climate isn’t changing. It’s showing how as humans have progressed that we have become better adapted at surviving extreme weather.

If you can disprove this info I’m all ears BST.

It exposes the idea of an “extinction” that these extremist protestors talk about. We can go through some of their disinformation and a list of climate predictions that haven’t come true? That doesn’t mean I automatically dismiss everything they say though, like you are doing.

Really? And what 'idea of an extinction' have you exposed here then when you have ignored species going extinct?

https://www.macleans.ca/society/science/infographic-charting-the-worlds-sixth-mass-exinction/

Would you trade your life as it is to live as a 17th century peasant if it brought those animals back to life?

That’s sad but the industrial revolution has allowed 7 billion more sentient human beings to live on this planet. Nature is full of trade offs but we can focus on the future and how to make it better - maybe some of these XR protestors could work in conservation rather than gluing themselves to a road on a Monday morning?

The world has actually become greener in recent decades and people are putting nature first a lot more in developed nations, so I would expect that graph to plateau.

[ncRover]

This is him by the way.

https://twitter.com/BjornLomborg/status/1606259625669566465?s=20&t=V22l8QX_Gy8Li_Rp2SPZ2Q

I'll leave you to work out in how many ways this tweet is deliberately deceptive b*llocks.

It’s not saying that the climate isn’t changing. It’s showing how as humans have progressed that we have become better adapted at surviving extreme weather.

If you can disprove this info I’m all ears BST.

It exposes the idea of an “extinction” that these extremist protestors talk about. We can go through some of their disinformation and a list of climate predictions that haven’t come true? That doesn’t mean I automatically dismiss everything they say though, like you are doing.

Really? And what 'idea of an extinction' have you exposed here then when you have ignored species going extinct?

https://www.macleans.ca/society/science/infographic-charting-the-worlds-sixth-mass-exinction/

They think the world is going to become inhabitable for humans. That bit.

[albie]

NC Rover,

Bjorn Lomberg is not a climate scientist, his background is in game theory.
He has made a media career in contrarian views, which are regarded as ungrounded in the data by those in the field.

The point about the rising probability of disruption from climate change is that we may reach an early tipping point, where uncontrolled effects kick in to amplify the changes already recorded in the data.

1.1 degree rise is already baked in, and on current trend 1.5 degrees will be locked in by 2029 at the latest.
Without runaway impacts, at 1.5 degrees major disruption to agriculture in the south is inevitable.
This will lead to migration from unviable locations as a consequence, and conflict over access to resources under pressure.

Climate change will restrict and determine the economic possibilities in the next decade.
Politicians selling the myth of economic growth in this situation are conning the electorate about the likely outcomes from the changes already underway.

Some parts of the world will become uninhabitable, some will become economically unviable, and some will become deserts.......there is no way to spin this as a net positive.

Whose interest is Lomberg serving with this misinformation? 

[SydneyRover]

lomberg

'Last week’s announcement that the University of Western Australia would no longer house Bjorn Lomborg’s ‘Consensus Centre’ was a fantastic outcome for science. However, the fact that the Centre is still trying to establish itself in Australia is deeply troubling.

Misinformation is harmful. Just as false information about the ‘benefits’ of tobacco misled the public and damaged health, so false information about climate change and its impacts can mislead the public and decision-makers, delaying much needed action to stabilise the climate system. Here are the top four reasons why Lomborg’s arguments about climate change are flawed''

1. Lomborg fundamentally misunderstands climate science ...................

2. Lomborg doesn’t get that we need to address the cause of climate change, not just some of the symptoms.

3. Lomborg forgets that climate change makes many existing challenges worse

4. Lomborg has no credibility in the scientific community

https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/resources/the-low-down-on-lomborg/

[selby]

  Anybody following the BLM leader being done for fraud in Bristol, anyone who donated I am sure she is very grateful suckers.

[wilts rover]

  Anybody following the BLM leader being done for fraud in Bristol, anyone who donated I am sure she is very grateful suckers.

No. What's her connection with Extinction Rebellion/climate change?

[SydneyRover]

  Anybody following the BLM leader being done for fraud in Bristol, anyone who donated I am sure she is very grateful suckers.

No. What's her connection with Extinction Rebellion/climate change?

I thought all the dinosaurs were extinct!

[ncRover]

Was my original comment disinformation?

On the point about deserts, the world has got more green vegetation now than it did in 2000.