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Quote from: Chris Black come back on January 13, 2023, 08:30:36 pmMay 2019 - scintillating football, modest budget, robbed at the death. January 2023 - 9 points off automatic promotion in lowest professional tier, 4 clean sheets all season, best player signed by club below us. You’ve spent the best part of two years slagging of our defence saying it’s up there with the worst ever and now you’re suggesting one of the main culprits is our best player
May 2019 - scintillating football, modest budget, robbed at the death. January 2023 - 9 points off automatic promotion in lowest professional tier, 4 clean sheets all season, best player signed by club below us.
It could also be read as " I would have stayed if you payed me more" a final swipe at the club. Some players make their living by running contracts down.
Quote from: jmt23 on January 13, 2023, 06:58:58 pmIt could also be read as " I would have stayed if you payed me more" a final swipe at the club. Some players make their living by running contracts down.In the statement from Copps he told them in December he wanted to go before any money terms were talked about.
It could also be read as " I would have stayed if you payed me more" a final swipe at the club. Some players make their living by running contracts down.
Realistically we are not going to be making much headway in terms of reconfiguring the squad in January. Loans, yes. Permanent signings, much less so. It is either free agents but the most attractive will have been signed already before the window, or players running down the contract and a club trying to monetise the last six months, such as when we signed Fejiri or obviously Knoyle. We don’t regularly pay a fee and trying to buy a player under decent contract in January is going to be especially difficult. I don’t see much permanent business, but could be wrong.
There may be some Premier League clubs that can claim to be Sustainable but I don't know of any Lower League clubs that have taken this direction and achieved it.Ambition and Investing (gambling) on success by spending is what many supporters want to see from the club but Combining Sustainability with 'Finding our level' is also a gamble because our 'Level' hasn't ever been tested and can't be known until we get there.Although the much lauded club statement of last week claims we are now a sustainable club, that isn't actually true since sustainability is only attained when the operating Level is maintained by the finances generated on an ongoing basis, and since Sustainability is largely dependent on gate receipts & advertising revenue (which will depend upon how much exposure can be delivered by our attendances) it cannot be assumed that we have reached sustainability. Whilst we continue struggling to attract players and support staff who have ambition to better their careers our direction of travel towards sustainability appears destined to be downwards.
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on January 14, 2023, 11:49:14 amThere may be some Premier League clubs that can claim to be Sustainable but I don't know of any Lower League clubs that have taken this direction and achieved it.Ambition and Investing (gambling) on success by spending is what many supporters want to see from the club but Combining Sustainability with 'Finding our level' is also a gamble because our 'Level' hasn't ever been tested and can't be known until we get there.Although the much lauded club statement of last week claims we are now a sustainable club, that isn't actually true since sustainability is only attained when the operating Level is maintained by the finances generated on an ongoing basis, and since Sustainability is largely dependent on gate receipts & advertising revenue (which will depend upon how much exposure can be delivered by our attendances) it cannot be assumed that we have reached sustainability. Whilst we continue struggling to attract players and support staff who have ambition to better their careers our direction of travel towards sustainability appears destined to be downwards."...our 'Level' hasn't ever been tested and can't be known until we get there"Really? I think there's many who would disagree with that.
There may be some Premier League clubs that can claim to be Sustainable but I don't know of any Lower League clubs that have taken this direction and achieved it.Ambition and Investing (gambling) on success by spending is what many supporters want to see from the club but Combining Sustainability with 'Finding our level' is also a gamble because our 'Level' hasn't ever been tested and can't be known until we get there.Although the much lauded club statement of last week claims we are now a sustainable club, that isn't actually true since sustainability is only attained when the operating Level is maintained by the finances generated on an ongoing basis, and since Sustainability is largely dependent on gate receipts & advertising revenue (which will depend upon how much exposure can be delivered by our attendances) it cannot be assumed that we have reached sustainability. Whilst we continue struggling to attract players and support staff who have ambition to better their careers our direction of travel towards sustainability appears destined to be downwards.
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on January 14, 2023, 11:49:14 amThere may be some Premier League clubs that can claim to be Sustainable but I don't know of any Lower League clubs that have taken this direction and achieved it.Ambition and Investing (gambling) on success by spending is what many supporters want to see from the club but Combining Sustainability with 'Finding our level' is also a gamble because our 'Level' hasn't ever been tested and can't be known until we get there.Although the much lauded club statement of last week claims we are now a sustainable club, that isn't actually true since sustainability is only attained when the operating Level is maintained by the finances generated on an ongoing basis, and since Sustainability is largely dependent on gate receipts & advertising revenue (which will depend upon how much exposure can be delivered by our attendances) it cannot be assumed that we have reached sustainability. Whilst we continue struggling to attract players and support staff who have ambition to better their careers our direction of travel towards sustainability appears destined to be downwards.Have to agree. We are, in a way, living through the ‘experiment’ Mk II
Quote from: DonnyBazR0ver on January 15, 2023, 10:56:24 amQuote from: i_ateallthepies on January 14, 2023, 11:49:14 amThere may be some Premier League clubs that can claim to be Sustainable but I don't know of any Lower League clubs that have taken this direction and achieved it.Ambition and Investing (gambling) on success by spending is what many supporters want to see from the club but Combining Sustainability with 'Finding our level' is also a gamble because our 'Level' hasn't ever been tested and can't be known until we get there.Although the much lauded club statement of last week claims we are now a sustainable club, that isn't actually true since sustainability is only attained when the operating Level is maintained by the finances generated on an ongoing basis, and since Sustainability is largely dependent on gate receipts & advertising revenue (which will depend upon how much exposure can be delivered by our attendances) it cannot be assumed that we have reached sustainability. Whilst we continue struggling to attract players and support staff who have ambition to better their careers our direction of travel towards sustainability appears destined to be downwards."...our 'Level' hasn't ever been tested and can't be known until we get there"Really? I think there's many who would disagree with that. So what is your view of 'our level', DBR?
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on January 14, 2023, 11:49:14 amThere may be some Premier League clubs that can claim to be Sustainable but I don't know of any Lower League clubs that have taken this direction and achieved it.Ambition and Investing (gambling) on success by spending is what many supporters want to see from the club but Combining Sustainability with 'Finding our level' is also a gamble because our 'Level' hasn't ever been tested and can't be known until we get there.Although the much lauded club statement of last week claims we are now a sustainable club, that isn't actually true since sustainability is only attained when the operating Level is maintained by the finances generated on an ongoing basis, and since Sustainability is largely dependent on gate receipts & advertising revenue (which will depend upon how much exposure can be delivered by our attendances) it cannot be assumed that we have reached sustainability. Whilst we continue struggling to attract players and support staff who have ambition to better their careers our direction of travel towards sustainability appears destined to be downwards."...our 'Level' hasn't ever been tested and can't be known until we get there"Really? I think there's many who would disagree with that.
There may be some Premier League clubs that can claim to be Sustainable but I don't know of any Lower League clubs that have taken this direction and achieved it.Ambition and Investing (gambling) on success by spending is what many supporters want to see from the club but Combining Sustainability with 'Finding our level' is also a gamble because our 'Level' hasn't ever been tested and can't be known until we get there.Although the much lauded club statement of last week claims we are now a sustainable club, that isn't actually true since sustainability is only attained when the operating Level is maintained by the finances generated on an ongoing basis, and since Sustainability is largely dependent on gate receipts & advertising revenue (which will depend upon how much exposure can be delivered by our attendances) it cannot be assumed that we have reached sustainability. Whilst we continue struggling to attract players and support staff who have ambition to better their careers our direction of travel towards sustainability appears destined to be downwards.
The sustainable model they’ve achieved is pretty impressive. There won’t be any other clubs outside the premiership that are. But unfortunately I fear there’s a reason for this. It doesn’t belong in football. A football club can never be sustainable. Lack of investment and the team not playing or performing well, means a down turn in paying customers. Add a relegation poor form in the cup to the mix also running out of saleable assets it really is a recipe for disaster. It ends up becoming a vicious circle of spiralling down the football pyramid.
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on January 15, 2023, 11:27:37 amQuote from: DonnyBazR0ver on January 15, 2023, 10:56:24 amQuote from: i_ateallthepies on January 14, 2023, 11:49:14 amThere may be some Premier League clubs that can claim to be Sustainable but I don't know of any Lower League clubs that have taken this direction and achieved it.Ambition and Investing (gambling) on success by spending is what many supporters want to see from the club but Combining Sustainability with 'Finding our level' is also a gamble because our 'Level' hasn't ever been tested and can't be known until we get there.Although the much lauded club statement of last week claims we are now a sustainable club, that isn't actually true since sustainability is only attained when the operating Level is maintained by the finances generated on an ongoing basis, and since Sustainability is largely dependent on gate receipts & advertising revenue (which will depend upon how much exposure can be delivered by our attendances) it cannot be assumed that we have reached sustainability. Whilst we continue struggling to attract players and support staff who have ambition to better their careers our direction of travel towards sustainability appears destined to be downwards."...our 'Level' hasn't ever been tested and can't be known until we get there"Really? I think there's many who would disagree with that. So what is your view of 'our level', DBR?That's not the question. You said our level has not been tested. Was it tested through the Championship seasons?
Quote from: DonnyBazR0ver on January 15, 2023, 10:56:24 amQuote from: i_ateallthepies on January 14, 2023, 11:49:14 amThere may be some Premier League clubs that can claim to be Sustainable but I don't know of any Lower League clubs that have taken this direction and achieved it.Ambition and Investing (gambling) on success by spending is what many supporters want to see from the club but Combining Sustainability with 'Finding our level' is also a gamble because our 'Level' hasn't ever been tested and can't be known until we get there.Although the much lauded club statement of last week claims we are now a sustainable club, that isn't actually true since sustainability is only attained when the operating Level is maintained by the finances generated on an ongoing basis, and since Sustainability is largely dependent on gate receipts & advertising revenue (which will depend upon how much exposure can be delivered by our attendances) it cannot be assumed that we have reached sustainability. Whilst we continue struggling to attract players and support staff who have ambition to better their careers our direction of travel towards sustainability appears destined to be downwards."...our 'Level' hasn't ever been tested and can't be known until we get there"Really? I think there's many who would disagree with that. So what is your view of 'our level', DBR?
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on January 14, 2023, 11:49:14 amThere may be some Premier League clubs that can claim to be Sustainable but I don't know of any Lower League clubs that have taken this direction and achieved it.Ambition and Investing (gambling) on success by spending is what many supporters want to see from the club but Combining Sustainability with 'Finding our level' is also a gamble because our 'Level' hasn't ever been tested and can't be known until we get there.Although the much lauded club statement of last week claims we are now a sustainable club, that isn't actually true since sustainability is only attained when the operating Level is maintained by the finances generated on an ongoing basis, and since Sustainability is largely dependent on gate receipts & advertising revenue (which will depend upon how much exposure can be delivered by our attendances) it cannot be assumed that we have reached sustainability. Whilst we continue struggling to attract players and support staff who have ambition to better their careers our direction of travel towards sustainability appears destined to be downwards."...our 'Level' hasn't ever been tested and can't be known until we get there"Really? I think there's many who would disagree with that.
There may be some Premier League clubs that can claim to be Sustainable but I don't know of any Lower League clubs that have taken this direction and achieved it.Ambition and Investing (gambling) on success by spending is what many supporters want to see from the club but Combining Sustainability with 'Finding our level' is also a gamble because our 'Level' hasn't ever been tested and can't be known until we get there.Although the much lauded club statement of last week claims we are now a sustainable club, that isn't actually true since sustainability is only attained when the operating Level is maintained by the finances generated on an ongoing basis, and since Sustainability is largely dependent on gate receipts & advertising revenue (which will depend upon how much exposure can be delivered by our attendances) it cannot be assumed that we have reached sustainability. Whilst we continue struggling to attract players and support staff who have ambition to better their careers our direction of travel towards sustainability appears destined to be downwards.
I answered that in my post 53. So, you believe the club can be considered sustainable whilst its owners have to subsidise the club to cover the annual losses? I think there's many who would disagree with you.
The last point is the key one Baz.Sustainable or not, the question remains why, when we have somewhere around the 5th best gates in L2 (and better than many in L1), and are the self-professed best club in the lower leagues at generating income from other sources, are we struggling to get in the play-off mix in League Two?That points to serious failings in how those resources are managed and deployed, which many of us have been raising as a concern for a number of years. This shows very little sign of improving at the moment, in spite of the “re-structuring” that has taken place. Whether it will prove to be a mistake appointing from within and from a small pool of “known” contacts for this restructure will come out in the wash in the coming months and years.