Caolan Lavery

[Retdon1]

Looks like we’re about to sign him. His contract with Scunny runs out tomorrow. He’s scored 8 from 18 games for them this season. Can play anywhere across the forward line.

He’s played most of his career at League 1 level and not been prolific but can’t fault his record this season and seems like a low risk signing that could come good.

[normal rules]

I can’t imagine what it must be like playing for scunny at the moment.

[Chris Black come back]

I can’t imagine what it must be like playing for scunny at the moment.

Did you go to Colchester away?

[roversdude]

Is this just a rumour?

[Retdon1]

Is this just a rumour?

It may have started that way earlier today but it’s now being reported by Radio Sheffield reporters now

[GazLaz]

Ffs what happened to us wanting to be sustainable. Signings like this (and Clayton and Agard last Jan) don’t scream sustainability do they.

[Retdon1]

Ffs what happened to us wanting to be sustainable. Signings like this (and Clayton and Agard last Jan) don’t scream sustainability do they.

I would say this is a smarter signing than those 2 as long as it’s a deal until the end of the season with the option to extend in our hands. He’s just turned 30 so should be in his prime now. He’s playing regularly and scoring goals, unlike Agard and Clayton when they signed

[Dare to dream!]

Shocking.

[dickos1]

Shocking.

What’s shocking

[scawsby steve]

Lavery's a good player with good experience.

[Janso]

Shocking.

What’s shocking

Everything the club do, according to some people.

[Lesonthewest]

Bags of experience, just what we need, would be a good addition. Talking to a Blade's mate of mine said he's a good player & couldn't believe he was at Scunny.

[sedwardsdrfc]

I’d be disappointed if it’s a long term contract. In summer we should be focusing on players aged 20-25 to build a sustainable team. And to be fair we mostly did that in the summer.

Deal to the end of the season is fine and if he turns good we can try extend for next season

[ncRover]

You’d think that players turn 30 and all of a sudden become Hans Moleman. If we’ve got him on an 18-month contract, he’ll be 31 by the end of that. He looks lean and fit. He is ready to go and in scoring touch.

[Chris Black come back]

Whether he is or isn't what we need, it's refreshing to actually acquire a player who is fit, in form, playing football regularly and ready to start straight away. Doesn't happen so often in January.

[Thorney]

I'd be happy with this on a contract to end of season with option to sign for longer. He is a player who I think can become a fans favourite, will work hard and will put the ball in the net when he gets the chance.
Bags of experience for this level.
Unfortunately some people will write him off before a ball is kicked because we havnt splashed a wad full of cash him.

[Campsall rover]

Ffs what happened to us wanting to be sustainable. Signings like this (and Clayton and Agard last Jan) don’t scream sustainability do they.

What has sustainability got to do with this signing? ( if he is signing )

[Chris Black come back]

Because at 30 there is no resale value.

[dickos1]

Because at 30 there is no resale value.

Of course there is,
If he comes on an 18 month deal and scores 25 goals, there’ll be clubs happy to pay good
Money for a 31 year old.
The age isn’t the issue it’s making sure the players we want to keep have long enough contracts

[Campsall rover]

Because at 30 there is no resale value.

Yes but if he a short term signing till the end of the season, which I suspect he will be then it doesn’t matter.

Which strikers do you think we are going to get in January? They are all under contract. We are only going to get other clubs cast offs.  Yes we might be lucky and drop on one that is a gem. But what are the odds?

Lavery has got League 2, league 1 & Championship experience. In this transfer window he might be the best we can get. Let’s see how good he is then make a decision on him at the end of the season.
In May/June/July there will be much more choice.

[NickDRFC]

Looks like we’re about to sign him. His contract with Scunny runs out tomorrow. He’s scored 8 from 18 games for them this season. Can play anywhere across the forward line.

He’s played most of his career at League 1 level and not been prolific but can’t fault his record this season and seems like a low risk signing that could come good.

He’s made 234 league appearances according to wiki - 49 at League One level, 34 at Championship, 133 at League Two so only about 37% at League One (and above). Plenty of experience though.

Will be interesting to see the length of the contract - we are very light on numbers at the moment so until the end of the season with an option feels low risk and would give the chance to earn something more long term.

[ravenrover]

Every young team needs at least 1 or 2 older heads playing  with the young un's

[IDM]

What’s more important?  The future sale value of a player, or the added value he brings to the team during the time he plays?

[Chris Black come back]

Because at 30 there is no resale value.

Of course there is,
If he comes on an 18 month deal and scores 25 goal, there’ll be clubs happy to pay good
Money for a 31 year old.
The age isn’t the issue it’s making sure the players we want to keep have long enough contracts

In the past 50 years, which 30 year old+ players have we received a decent fee for?

Of our top 25 player sales of all time, not one of them has been over 30 years old. It's obviously a fantasy.

He could do well for us, but there is no way we are going to get a decent fee for a player in League Two aged 31 or ever 32.

[Chris Black come back]

What’s more important?  The future sale value of a player, or the added value he brings to the team during the time he plays?

Both are equally important but the point made earlier in the chain was about sustainability and clearly trying to monetise even a successful 31 or 32 year old is not easy. In fact, there is almost no evidence in recent memory of us managing to do this.

[Campsall rover]

We either get a 19/20 yr old from the Premier League or Championship  on loan, with possibly none or very little League experience or we get someone like Lavery.
That is what the January transfer window IS. 

Now the club, it seems are damned if they do the former and damned if they do the latter by some of our fans. Nothing new there though.

At least Lavery is ready to go. Match fit and has scored almost 1 in 2 games this season for a club that is bottom of the National League.

Last season we signed Agard who hadn’t played for months and wasn’t ready to go.

I think the right option has been chosen this time, assuming this is happening.  Nothing confirmed.

[IDM]

What’s more important?  The future sale value of a player, or the added value he brings to the team during the time he plays?

Both are equally important but the point made earlier in the chain was about sustainability and clearly trying to monetise even a successful 31 or 32 year old is not easy. In fact, there is almost no evidence in recent memory of us managing to do this.

If all we ever signed were 30 year olds then that point is more valid. 

Do you think our “sustainability” model is dependent upon transfer profits?  I’m not so sure seen as that is quite unpredictable..

[idler]

Ernie Moss and Paul Barnes  were no spring chickens when we signed them but they did a job for us.
If a player gets you where your club wants to be over a one or two season period then I would be happy if there was no resale value as he will have earned his wages and done the job that was expected of him.
It’s not like we are trying to recoup a large initial transfer fee.

[Campsall rover]

What’s more important?  The future sale value of a player, or the added value he brings to the team during the time he plays?

Both are equally important but the point made earlier in the chain was about sustainability and clearly trying to monetise even a successful 31 or 32 year old is not easy. In fact, there is almost no evidence in recent memory of us managing to do this.

If all we ever signed were 30 year olds then that point is more valid. 

Do you think our “sustainability” model is dependent upon transfer profits?  I’m not so sure seen as that is quite unpredictable..

It quite clearly isn’t dependant on transfer fees received IDM
Marquis & Whiteman are the only Substantial fees received since 2011.
Just received a very small fee for Knoyle. It will only have been small. Other fees we may have received will have been very small.
We are financially stable without receiving transfer fees.  We couldn’t keep Marquis or Whiteman.
We wanted to keep them though. They were not sold because the club needed to sell.

[Bessie Red]

What’s more important?  The future sale value of a player, or the added value he brings to the team during the time he plays?

Both are equally important but the point made earlier in the chain was about sustainability and clearly trying to monetise even a successful 31 or 32 year old is not easy. In fact, there is almost no evidence in recent memory of us managing to do this.

It's one player though, as long as its the exception and not the rule then what is wrong with it, he has good experience at this level and will be a good squad player for the level we are currently at.