Jared O'Mara

[tyke1962]

Dear me .


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-64375992

[Filo]

He should ask Gove how he funds his habit

[Colemans Left Hook]

Dear me .


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-64375992

It's BST's area I knew HE  should have stood   (•¿•)› ---  he would get my "cross "


hang on a minute I just realised Dracula's don't like crosses


https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=284723.msg1162208#msg1162208

[danumdon]

Ive said it on here quite a few times that there are some proper wrong un's elected as MP's on all sides.

We all know the long list of failures going back years but this fella takes the biscuit, what i'd like to know is how someone like this gets proposed as a prospective candidate in the first place?

Do we castigate the perpetrator for his sins or the organisation behind him? how in gods name did they not have an inkling that he was a desperate case.

Was it a genuine error to have him as a candidate or was he "proposed because of all the proper boxes he fills as far as Labour is concerned.

If i was a Labour voting member in this Sheffield constituency i would want to have some serious questions answered.

Shocking, but not unexpected.

[Filo]

Ive said it on here quite a few times that there are some proper wrong un's elected as MP's on all sides.

We all know the long list of failures going back years but this fella takes the biscuit, what i'd like to know is how someone like this gets proposed as a prospective candidate in the first place?

Do we castigate the perpetrator for his sins or the organisation behind him? how in gods name did they not have an inkling that he was a desperate case.

Was it a genuine error to have him as a candidate or was he "proposed because of all the proper boxes he fills as far as Labour is concerned.

If i was a Labour voting member in this Sheffield constituency i would want to have some serious questions answered.

Shocking, but not unexpected.

He’s been suspended from the Labour Party since 2018

[danumdon]

Ive said it on here quite a few times that there are some proper wrong un's elected as MP's on all sides.

We all know the long list of failures going back years but this fella takes the biscuit, what i'd like to know is how someone like this gets proposed as a prospective candidate in the first place?

Do we castigate the perpetrator for his sins or the organisation behind him? how in gods name did they not have an inkling that he was a desperate case.

Was it a genuine error to have him as a candidate or was he "proposed because of all the proper boxes he fills as far as Labour is concerned.

If i was a Labour voting member in this Sheffield constituency i would want to have some serious questions answered.

Shocking, but not unexpected.

He’s been suspended from the Labour Party since 2018

We all know he's been suspended from the Labour party, im commenting on the period when he was a member and elected as an MP, do you have any comment about that period?

[Filo]

Ive said it on here quite a few times that there are some proper wrong un's elected as MP's on all sides.

We all know the long list of failures going back years but this fella takes the biscuit, what i'd like to know is how someone like this gets proposed as a prospective candidate in the first place?

Do we castigate the perpetrator for his sins or the organisation behind him? how in gods name did they not have an inkling that he was a desperate case.

Was it a genuine error to have him as a candidate or was he "proposed because of all the proper boxes he fills as far as Labour is concerned.

If i was a Labour voting member in this Sheffield constituency i would want to have some serious questions answered.

Shocking, but not unexpected.

He’s been suspended from the Labour Party since 2018

We all know he's been suspended from the Labour party, im commenting on the period when he was a member and elected as an MP, do you have any comment about that period?

I agree with you regarding his selection process, something is flawed somewhere to allow him to be selected, I also agree with your comment on the proposer

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mistakes get made by all parties. It's inevitable. You can't necessarily find out someone is a sociopath before they start acting like one.

Prospective Parliamentary candidates are chosen by interview by local constituency parties. No constituency parties have the wherewithal to do extensive checks into a candidate's background and mental health. O'Mara is a t**t of the first order, but not many people knew that in 2017.

All that parties can do is take prompt action when evidence of wrongdoing emerges.

In that very same constituency, the Tory MP in the 1980s scuttled between SY Police and the Sun spreading malicious lies about Liverpool fans in the immediate aftermath of Hillsborough. He was never disciplined by his party. In fact he stood at the next 2 elections and was knighted by the Major government.

Maybe there's something in the water in Sheffield Hallam. The MP between Sir Irvine Patnick  and O'Mara was Nick Clegg, who, after playing his role in deceiving the British public over Austerity, took a highly paid job as an apologist for Facebook being used to foster ethnic cleansing and social unrest around the world.

[danumdon]

Mistakes get made by all parties. It's inevitable. You can't necessarily find out someone is a sociopath before they start acting like one.

Prospective Parliamentary candidates are chosen by interview by local constituency parties. No constituency parties have the wherewithal to do extensive checks into a candidate's background and mental health. O'Mara is a t**t of the first order, but not many people knew that in 2017.

All that parties can do is take prompt action when evidence of wrongdoing emerges.

In that very same constituency, the Tory MP in the 1980s scuttled between SY Police and the Sun spreading malicious lies about Liverpool fans in the immediate aftermath of Hillsborough. He was never disciplined by his party. In fact he stood at the next 2 elections and was knighted by the Major government.

Maybe there's something in the water in Sheffield Hallam. The MP between Sir Irvine Patnick  and O'Mara was Nick Clegg, who, after playing his role in deceiving the British public over Austerity, took a highly paid job as an apologist for Facebook being used to foster ethnic cleansing and social unrest around the world.

I'm not buying that BST, if not many people knew anything about this man then how the f*ck did he get onto a selection process in the first place, if he was Mr anonymous in 2017 then that tells me that the constituency party was either bloody useless in its selection process or was privy to this individuals folly's and was determined to get him into the seat as an example of Labour being a party that welcomes diversity!!

I know Sheffield can look a bit like the land that time forgot but to accept some geezer that nobody knew anything about along to your selection panel in a city that's full of Labour activists and then actually have him as the prospective candidate rings some bloody strange bells.

Smells pretty rotten from here.

[BillyStubbsTears]

DD.
How many people fall in love with and get married to someone who turns out to be an abusive bas**rd?

You reckon we can all spot people's failings before they are exposed to view?

[normal rules]

A bit like police who become rapists.
Or doctors and nurses that become murderers.
Sometimes you don’t know about it until it’s too late.

[SydneyRover]

or due to this .....

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/met-police-hire-officers-without-face-to-face-interviews-l3bl9j52b

[BillyStubbsTears]

But again NR, what really matters is how you respond when the evidence does emerge.

The problem with the Met is that they've institutionally failed to address huge amounts of evidence against serving officers. Carrick had EIGHT allegations of abuse against him. His nickname among colleagues was bas**rd Dave because he was such a nasty t**t. But he was never rooted out.

[danumdon]

BST, so basically your excusing the clusterf*ck that appointed him in the first place because they have responded after the event to deal with him?

That in itself does not excuse the incompetence or ineptitude or even slight of hand that took place in 2017 to appoint him. You have spent the last few years constantly berating the Tories who have made just as many if not more of the same mistakes but it appears the Labour party get off Scott free?

What i'd like to hear from you (and especially because of where you live ) a full and descriptivism evisceration of the Labour party in Sheffield and how they became to be so incompetent , so it seems.

After all its only what you do on a constant basis for the Tories when they f*uck up constantly. it seems only fair?

Remember if they had acted with competence in the first place they would not have needed to respond to such a poor decision.

[BillyStubbsTears]

DD.
How do you come to the conclusion that the original selection was a clusterf**k?

You seem to be suggesting that either:

1) The local party were aware of his sociopathic behaviour and ignored it, or

2) They weren't aware of it but they should have been.

If it's 1), do you have any evidence for that? If it's 2) What process do you think they should have gone through but didn't?

[danumdon]

DD.
How do you come to the conclusion that the original selection was a clusterf**k?

You seem to be suggesting that either:

1) The local party were aware of his sociopathic behaviour and ignored it, or

2) They weren't aware of it but they should have been.

If it's 1), do you have any evidence for that? If it's 2) What process do you think they should have gone through but didn't?

So your asking me the same questions i've just asked you to comment on, being your a Labour activist in Sheffield and apparently no one there in the whole area had any sort of inkling that he was a wrong un, Erm, Ok

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'm not an activist. And I don't live in that constituency.

You are getting hot under the collar about this "clusterf**k". I assume you know a lot about it.

[danumdon]

I'm not an activist. And I don't live in that constituency.

You are getting hot under the collar about this "clusterf**k". I assume you know a lot about it.

Im aware you mentioned before that you lived in a different constituency, i was talking about the whole area, you strike me as someone who would of had an inkling about other MP's in the city, especially someone who managed to unseat a prominent Lib MP.

I find it intriguing that you as someone who has an interest in politics had not a clue about this individual as it seems the rest of the area didn't.

Strange that you make it a mission to root out corruption and incompetence in MPs nationwide but seem to have not a monkeys about the goings on locally in the City?

That's all, no heat being expunged from the collar region.

[Colemans Left Hook]

DD.
How do you come to the conclusion that the original selection was a clusterf**k?

You seem to be suggesting that either:

1) The local party were aware of his sociopathic behaviour and ignored it, or

2) They weren't aware of it but they should have been.

If it's 1), do you have any evidence for that? If it's 2) What process do you think they should have gone through but didn't?

So your asking me the same questions i've just asked you to comment on, being your a Labour activist in Sheffield and apparently no one there in the whole area had any sort of inkling that he was a wrong un, Erm, Ok

ermmmmm....   (more to follow) round one on the way to a knock out blow ( aka hitting the canvas)

Been out canvassing in Sheffield. I don't like drawing stereotypes but it was quite stunning how people split into two groups.

I had nothing to identify the side I supported. But in every case, the people who turned out to be Remain supporters were open and chatty from the moment they answered the door, whereas the Leavers were the ones who opened the door a crack and immediately had a suspicious look on their faces.

Without exception.

That is actually very troubling.

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round two

Albie.

You make my point for me with that article, which has been posted in here before and reads no better now than it did then.

The article sets out clearly that neo-Liberaism is the move, driven by Hayek and Friedman in the mid 20th century, to embrace the principles of the free market and the minimisation of Govt involvement in the economy. What it skilfully avoids is any mention of what that was a reaction against - the overwhelming triumph of Keynesian economics. He doesn't mention Keynes once. Which is simply ridiculous in any critique of neo-Liberaism.

Keynes embraced the role of Government in guiding the economy through fiscal policy. Hayek and Friedman, and the Chicago School that worships them, were viscerally against that. They wanted the Government out of the picture.

Now look at the record of the last Labour Govt. Brown's approach was committedly Keynesian on fiscal policy. A world away from the Chicago School. In the biggest test of all, when the GFC hit, Brown led the world in driving Keynesian defecit spending to save us from a neo-liberal Great Depression.

It was Cameron and the Tories who embraced the neo-liberal approach with Austerity, with disastrous consequences.

Your man is doing precisely what I said. He's using the term neo-liberal as a catch-all insult to  suit his ideogical argument. It's on a par with Trump calling Biden "socialist" or Rik in the Young Ones calling everyone who disagreed with him "fascist". It's a lazy debasement of language, but it sticks, unfortunately, because it tells some people what they want to hear. It's the sort of utter rubbish that confirms some people's belief that Brown was no better a choice than Cameron in 2010.

As for Wakefield, well, yeah you'll dismiss that. For precisely the same reason. Because it doesn't support the argument you want to make. For what it's worth, in two canvassing sessions I've done there, I haven't heard a single person say they are voting Labour because of the previous Tory MP's conviction. But of course that will be the Left's argument, and as usual, they'll hear nothing to the contrary.

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round 3  good job amateurs only used to box  rounds !!

voters must 'turn a blind eye' to the obnoxious side of johnson which has been well documented and really hard to ignore, why would you vote for someone that you wouldn't want in you home.

But surely people aren’t voting for the man, they are voting for the Party.

voters must 'turn a blind eye' to the obnoxious side of johnson which has been well documented and really hard to ignore, why would you vote for someone that you wouldn't want in you home.

But surely people aren’t voting for the man, they are voting for the Party.

You should have come canvassing with me in Maltby and Stockbridge in December if you think that, Hound!

Conclusion
someone certainly has hit  the canvas a lot over the last few years and strangely heard nothing through the grapeveine

[BillyStubbsTears]

Not sure what your point is CLH (so little new there...) although it's touching and a little unnerving how comprehensive your knowledge is of my previous posts.

I'm a Labour party member, but I don't get involved in constituency activity. And certainly not in the activity of other constituencies.

Canvassing during elections draws in hundreds and hundreds of people who are not otherwise "active" in the party, or even members of it. Hope that helps.

[normal rules]

But again NR, what really matters is how you respond when the evidence does emerge.

The problem with the Met is that they've institutionally failed to address huge amounts of evidence against serving officers. Carrick had EIGHT allegations of abuse against him. His nickname among colleagues was bas**rd Dave because he was such a nasty t**t. But he was never rooted out.

You are right.
The other issue is the sheer numbers of cops needed to keep the met afloat. With retirements, sackings, resignations and transfers, it will be like Macdonalds for staff turnover
Very very difficult to keep the force sustainable.
And in a climate where no one wants to be a cop for numerous reasons, it’s no wonder the bar is being lowered.
The met have a very stark problem.
Employ shit cops, or have no cops.

I worked for a small shire force. When I got the job I was one of 600 applicants for 12 jobs. I had a face to face interview. And had to jump through many hoops. The recruitment window for my year of application was just 2 days. That’s all they needed, such was the levels of interest. The same force has just opened a recruitment window. It’s 6 weeks long. And they are sending their own staff emails practically begging them to help identify and assist in recruiting new officers. It’s quite frankly scary and heart braking that a once regarded position has become “ just another job”, that very few, by comparison to 20 years ago, want.
Multiply these numbers by 30 and you get some sort of idea the problem facing the met.

[danumdon]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/08/jared-o-mara-former-labour-mp-found-guilty-expenses-fraud

Not unexpected unfortunately.

[drfchound]

Expected though that this wouldn’t attract much in the way of comments.

[Bentley Bullet]

What, a heart-of-gold socialist on the fiddle? Never in a million years!

[wilts rover]

Expected though that this wouldn’t attract much in the way of comments.

Bloke kicked out of the Labour party probably going to prison for cheating the public out of £40k & illegal drug use.

Tory MP pictured on the front of a Sunday newspaper with a pile of coke and another found guilty of evading £5 MILLION in tax. Both still in Parliament and collecting tax payers money.

One rule for the posh boys, one rule for...

[SydneyRover]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/08/jared-o-mara-former-labour-mp-found-guilty-expenses-fraud

Not unexpected unfortunately.

If all politicians are the same, should we expect 650 more prosecutions?

[Bentley Bullet]

Expected though that this wouldn’t attract much in the way of comments.

Correct Hound. Although someone will eventually come along and try to change the subject by commenting on opposition bad boys! 

Bugger! Someone beat me to it!

[SydneyRover]

Expected though that this wouldn’t attract much in the way of comments.

Correct Hound. Although someone will eventually come along and try to change the subject by commenting on opposition bad boys! 

Bugger! Someone beat me to it!

I hope you are setting a new standard for posting and you will abide and call out all offenders because it will improve the forum and help to make it fact based debate.

[BillyStubbsTears]

O'Mara is a t**t and a crook. He's been dealt with both by the Labour party and the courts. I'm not sure what more there is to say.

[wilts rover]

Expected though that this wouldn’t attract much in the way of comments.

Correct Hound. Although someone will eventually come along and try to change the subject by commenting on opposition bad boys! 

Bugger! Someone beat me to it!

That appears to be the default process on these threads. Go check on some of the ones about the Tory crooks for instance.

Or is it one rule for the posh boys again?