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Ive said it on here quite a few times that there are some proper wrong un's elected as MP's on all sides.We all know the long list of failures going back years but this fella takes the biscuit, what i'd like to know is how someone like this gets proposed as a prospective candidate in the first place?Do we castigate the perpetrator for his sins or the organisation behind him? how in gods name did they not have an inkling that he was a desperate case.Was it a genuine error to have him as a candidate or was he "proposed because of all the proper boxes he fills as far as Labour is concerned.If i was a Labour voting member in this Sheffield constituency i would want to have some serious questions answered. Shocking, but not unexpected.
Quote from: danumdon on January 23, 2023, 10:10:51 pmIve said it on here quite a few times that there are some proper wrong un's elected as MP's on all sides.We all know the long list of failures going back years but this fella takes the biscuit, what i'd like to know is how someone like this gets proposed as a prospective candidate in the first place?Do we castigate the perpetrator for his sins or the organisation behind him? how in gods name did they not have an inkling that he was a desperate case.Was it a genuine error to have him as a candidate or was he "proposed because of all the proper boxes he fills as far as Labour is concerned.If i was a Labour voting member in this Sheffield constituency i would want to have some serious questions answered. Shocking, but not unexpected.He’s been suspended from the Labour Party since 2018
Ive said it on here quite a few times that there are some proper wrong un's elected as MP's on all sides.We all know the long list of failures going back years but this fella takes the biscuit, what i'd like to know is how someone like this gets proposed as a prospective candidate in the first place?Do we castigate the perpetrator for his sins or the organisation behind him? how in gods name did they not have an inkling that he was a desperate case.Was it a genuine error to have him as a candidate or was he "proposed because of all the proper boxes he fills as far as Labour is concerned.If i was a Labour voting member in this Sheffield constituency i would want to have some serious questions answered. Shocking, but not unexpected.
Quote from: Filo on January 23, 2023, 10:22:14 pmQuote from: danumdon on January 23, 2023, 10:10:51 pmIve said it on here quite a few times that there are some proper wrong un's elected as MP's on all sides.We all know the long list of failures going back years but this fella takes the biscuit, what i'd like to know is how someone like this gets proposed as a prospective candidate in the first place?Do we castigate the perpetrator for his sins or the organisation behind him? how in gods name did they not have an inkling that he was a desperate case.Was it a genuine error to have him as a candidate or was he "proposed because of all the proper boxes he fills as far as Labour is concerned.If i was a Labour voting member in this Sheffield constituency i would want to have some serious questions answered. Shocking, but not unexpected.He’s been suspended from the Labour Party since 2018We all know he's been suspended from the Labour party, im commenting on the period when he was a member and elected as an MP, do you have any comment about that period?
Quote from: danumdon on January 23, 2023, 10:10:51 pmIve said it on here quite a few times that there are some proper wrong un's elected as MP's on all sides.We all know the long list of failures going back years but this fella takes the biscuit, what i'd like to know is how someone like this gets proposed as a prospective candidate in the first place?Do we castigate the perpetrator for his sins or the organisation behind him? how in gods name did they not have an inkling that he was a desperate case.Was it a genuine error to have him as a candidate or was he "proposed because of all the proper boxes he fills as far as Labour is concerned.If i was a Labour voting member in this Sheffield constituency i would want to have some serious questions answered. Shocking, but not unexpected.He’s been suspended from the Labour Party since 2018
Ive said it on here quite a few times that there are some proper wrong un's elected as MP's on all sides.We all know the long list of failures going back years but this fella takes the biscuit, what i'd like to know is how someone like this gets proposed as a prospective candidate in the first place?Do we castigate the perpetrator for his sins or the organisation behind him? how in gods name did they not have an inkling that he was a desperate case.Was it a genuine error to have him as a candidate or was he "proposed because of all the proper boxes he fills as far as Labour is concerned.If i was a Labour voting member in this Sheffield constituency i would want to have some serious questions answered. Shocking, but not unexpected.
Mistakes get made by all parties. It's inevitable. You can't necessarily find out someone is a sociopath before they start acting like one. Prospective Parliamentary candidates are chosen by interview by local constituency parties. No constituency parties have the wherewithal to do extensive checks into a candidate's background and mental health. O'Mara is a t**t of the first order, but not many people knew that in 2017.All that parties can do is take prompt action when evidence of wrongdoing emerges.In that very same constituency, the Tory MP in the 1980s scuttled between SY Police and the Sun spreading malicious lies about Liverpool fans in the immediate aftermath of Hillsborough. He was never disciplined by his party. In fact he stood at the next 2 elections and was knighted by the Major government.Maybe there's something in the water in Sheffield Hallam. The MP between Sir Irvine Patnick and O'Mara was Nick Clegg, who, after playing his role in deceiving the British public over Austerity, took a highly paid job as an apologist for Facebook being used to foster ethnic cleansing and social unrest around the world.
DD.How do you come to the conclusion that the original selection was a clusterf**k?You seem to be suggesting that either:1) The local party were aware of his sociopathic behaviour and ignored it, or2) They weren't aware of it but they should have been.If it's 1), do you have any evidence for that? If it's 2) What process do you think they should have gone through but didn't?
I'm not an activist. And I don't live in that constituency.You are getting hot under the collar about this "clusterf**k". I assume you know a lot about it.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 24, 2023, 12:51:43 pmDD.How do you come to the conclusion that the original selection was a clusterf**k?You seem to be suggesting that either:1) The local party were aware of his sociopathic behaviour and ignored it, or2) They weren't aware of it but they should have been.If it's 1), do you have any evidence for that? If it's 2) What process do you think they should have gone through but didn't?So your asking me the same questions i've just asked you to comment on, being your a Labour activist in Sheffield and apparently no one there in the whole area had any sort of inkling that he was a wrong un, Erm, Ok
Been out canvassing in Sheffield. I don't like drawing stereotypes but it was quite stunning how people split into two groups. I had nothing to identify the side I supported. But in every case, the people who turned out to be Remain supporters were open and chatty from the moment they answered the door, whereas the Leavers were the ones who opened the door a crack and immediately had a suspicious look on their faces. Without exception. That is actually very troubling.
Albie.You make my point for me with that article, which has been posted in here before and reads no better now than it did then.The article sets out clearly that neo-Liberaism is the move, driven by Hayek and Friedman in the mid 20th century, to embrace the principles of the free market and the minimisation of Govt involvement in the economy. What it skilfully avoids is any mention of what that was a reaction against - the overwhelming triumph of Keynesian economics. He doesn't mention Keynes once. Which is simply ridiculous in any critique of neo-Liberaism.Keynes embraced the role of Government in guiding the economy through fiscal policy. Hayek and Friedman, and the Chicago School that worships them, were viscerally against that. They wanted the Government out of the picture. Now look at the record of the last Labour Govt. Brown's approach was committedly Keynesian on fiscal policy. A world away from the Chicago School. In the biggest test of all, when the GFC hit, Brown led the world in driving Keynesian defecit spending to save us from a neo-liberal Great Depression. It was Cameron and the Tories who embraced the neo-liberal approach with Austerity, with disastrous consequences.Your man is doing precisely what I said. He's using the term neo-liberal as a catch-all insult to suit his ideogical argument. It's on a par with Trump calling Biden "socialist" or Rik in the Young Ones calling everyone who disagreed with him "fascist". It's a lazy debasement of language, but it sticks, unfortunately, because it tells some people what they want to hear. It's the sort of utter rubbish that confirms some people's belief that Brown was no better a choice than Cameron in 2010.As for Wakefield, well, yeah you'll dismiss that. For precisely the same reason. Because it doesn't support the argument you want to make. For what it's worth, in two canvassing sessions I've done there, I haven't heard a single person say they are voting Labour because of the previous Tory MP's conviction. But of course that will be the Left's argument, and as usual, they'll hear nothing to the contrary.
Quote from: drfchound on July 24, 2020, 11:15:35 amQuote from: SydneyRover on July 24, 2020, 09:08:23 amvoters must 'turn a blind eye' to the obnoxious side of johnson which has been well documented and really hard to ignore, why would you vote for someone that you wouldn't want in you home.But surely people aren’t voting for the man, they are voting for the Party.Quote from: drfchound on July 24, 2020, 11:15:35 amQuote from: SydneyRover on July 24, 2020, 09:08:23 amvoters must 'turn a blind eye' to the obnoxious side of johnson which has been well documented and really hard to ignore, why would you vote for someone that you wouldn't want in you home.But surely people aren’t voting for the man, they are voting for the Party.You should have come canvassing with me in Maltby and Stockbridge in December if you think that, Hound!
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 24, 2020, 09:08:23 amvoters must 'turn a blind eye' to the obnoxious side of johnson which has been well documented and really hard to ignore, why would you vote for someone that you wouldn't want in you home.But surely people aren’t voting for the man, they are voting for the Party.
voters must 'turn a blind eye' to the obnoxious side of johnson which has been well documented and really hard to ignore, why would you vote for someone that you wouldn't want in you home.
But again NR, what really matters is how you respond when the evidence does emerge.The problem with the Met is that they've institutionally failed to address huge amounts of evidence against serving officers. Carrick had EIGHT allegations of abuse against him. His nickname among colleagues was bas**rd Dave because he was such a nasty t**t. But he was never rooted out.
Expected though that this wouldn’t attract much in the way of comments.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/08/jared-o-mara-former-labour-mp-found-guilty-expenses-fraudNot unexpected unfortunately.
Quote from: drfchound on February 08, 2023, 09:16:18 pmExpected though that this wouldn’t attract much in the way of comments.Correct Hound. Although someone will eventually come along and try to change the subject by commenting on opposition bad boys! Bugger! Someone beat me to it!