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I hear that the govt may announce as soon as March their intention to bring forward plans to raise state pension age to 68. It was planned to happen in 2046, but may now be brought forward to 2035. That will affect anyone who is aged 54 or under today. I see the French are protesting over Macrons change to their state pension. I hope to see the same in the uk if this goes ahead.
What is education going to do for people on national minimum wage or zero hours contracts for whom every day is a struggle just to afford to live?
danumdon you are ignoring the question of those whose earnings aren't enough to live let alone buy a private pension.
Regardless of that demographic being the "wealthiest age group in the nation"(debatable) i was under the impression that pensioners had the triple lock because as a demographic they were not in a position to be able to deal with inflation rises like the rest of us who can change careers or work harder if it suits, Its not like they can all go back to work and earn some extra!I'd imagine there is a sizable percentage who have no private provision and have to make do with the state handout.Should we all start castigating these people because they got an inflation busting rise?
Something very apt about the Baby Boomer generation getting the state pension (which is paid for by the rest of the population) at 65, then voting to pull up the ladder behind them.
Quote from: danumdon on January 27, 2023, 07:07:43 pmRegardless of that demographic being the "wealthiest age group in the nation"(debatable) i was under the impression that pensioners had the triple lock because as a demographic they were not in a position to be able to deal with inflation rises like the rest of us who can change careers or work harder if it suits, Its not like they can all go back to work and earn some extra!I'd imagine there is a sizable percentage who have no private provision and have to make do with the state handout.Should we all start castigating these people because they got an inflation busting rise?No just do what it says in the article and means test pensions so that those wealthy ones, the ones that don't need the money don't get the money, simple.
Regardless of that demographic being the "wealthiest age group in the nation"(debatable) i was under the impression that pensioners had the triple lock because as a demographic they were not in a position to be able to deal with inflation rises like the rest of us who can change careers or work harder if it suits, Its not like they can all go back to work and earn some extra!I'd imagine there is a sizable percentage who have no private provision and have to make do with the state handout.Should we all start castigating these people because they got an inflation busting rise?
Quote from: SydneyRover on January 27, 2023, 08:03:32 pmQuote from: danumdon on January 27, 2023, 07:07:43 pmRegardless of that demographic being the "wealthiest age group in the nation"(debatable) i was under the impression that pensioners had the triple lock because as a demographic they were not in a position to be able to deal with inflation rises like the rest of us who can change careers or work harder if it suits, Its not like they can all go back to work and earn some extra!I'd imagine there is a sizable percentage who have no private provision and have to make do with the state handout.Should we all start castigating these people because they got an inflation busting rise?No just do what it says in the article and means test pensions so that those wealthy ones, the ones that don't need the money don't get the money, simple.I don’t profess to know your situation but you are either drawing or in for some pension payments, should you be means tested?Where do you draw the line, do we penalise someone for making prudent decisions decades aga?
Quote from: danumdon on January 27, 2023, 10:35:55 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on January 27, 2023, 08:03:32 pmQuote from: danumdon on January 27, 2023, 07:07:43 pmRegardless of that demographic being the "wealthiest age group in the nation"(debatable) i was under the impression that pensioners had the triple lock because as a demographic they were not in a position to be able to deal with inflation rises like the rest of us who can change careers or work harder if it suits, Its not like they can all go back to work and earn some extra!I'd imagine there is a sizable percentage who have no private provision and have to make do with the state handout.Should we all start castigating these people because they got an inflation busting rise?No just do what it says in the article and means test pensions so that those wealthy ones, the ones that don't need the money don't get the money, simple.I don’t profess to know your situation but you are either drawing or in for some pension payments, should you be means tested?Where do you draw the line, do we penalise someone for making prudent decisions decades aga?correct on first count, you don't know, and incorrect on the second I do not. Those that are classed as wealthy which is relative of course are not being penalised, they gained their wealth in a country that has, with some exceptions, educated them with some provided with a better level of education inc facilities and teachers at no extra cost. They are given opportunities to gain further education, access to health services and protection such as it is.Is it asking too much that those that can afford it support those that cannot? You are not being victimised for doing well you are being asked to contribute to a better society.
Quote from: SydneyRover on January 27, 2023, 08:03:32 pmQuote from: danumdon on January 27, 2023, 07:07:43 pmRegardless of that demographic being the "wealthiest age group in the nation"(debatable) i was under the impression that pensioners had the triple lock because as a demographic they were not in a position to be able to deal with inflation rises like the rest of us who can change careers or work harder if it suits, Its not like they can all go back to work and earn some extra!I'd imagine there is a sizable percentage who have no private provision and have to make do with the state handout.Should we all start castigating these people because they got an inflation busting rise?No just do what it says in the article and means test pensions so that those wealthy ones, the ones that don't need the money don't get the money, simple.I don’t profess to know your situation but you are either drawing or in for some pension payments, should you be means tested?Where do you draw the line, do we penalise someone for making prudent decisions decades aga?
Quote from: danumdon on January 27, 2023, 07:07:43 pmRegardless of that demographic being the "wealthiest age group in the nation"(debatable) i was under the impression that pensioners had the triple lock because as a demographic they were not in a position to be able to deal with inflation rises like the rest of us who can change careers or work harder if it suits, Its not like they can all go back to work and earn some extra!I'd imagine there is a sizable percentage who have no private provision and have to make do with the state handout.Should we all start castigating these people because they got an inflation busting rise?No just do what it says in the article and means test pensions so that those wealthy ones, the ones that don't need the money don't get the money, simple.
Regardless of that demographic being the "wealthiest age group in the nation"(debatable) i was under the impression that pensioners had the triple lock because as a demographic they were not in a position to be able to deal with inflation rises like the rest of us who can change careers or work harder if it suits, Its not like they can all go back to work and earn some extra!I'd imagine there is a sizable percentage who have no private provision and have to make do with the state handout.Should we all start castigating these people because they got an inflation busting rise?
Yep Billy, we have the returns of our fathers the best generation that this country ever had, its not our fault your lot have made a mess of it since the 1980s, buck up get going, heads down arses up and you might enjoy the fruits of your labour. If you carry on snorting powder, working from home, less hours, sitting on motorways and stopping people from getting to work and listening to the left loonies its going to get worse buddy. And by the way, if you want a good pension you need to put a lot of money in it over your working life.
What would you like me to say? I consider my country educated me and i'm repaying it by paying ludicrous amounts of tax and NI, MY observation of you is that you come across as politically driven to see to it that we have a society that gets dumbed down to the lowest common denominator, you would rather see people who have worked for their wellbeing struck and dragged down so we all have nothing rather than try to convince society that we all need to work and strive harder so we all do well. Something i totally disagree with, i want to see people do well to act as good examples to others who can achieve the same with drive and effort and not excepting mediocrity.[/quoteI don't think any of your many many observations of me have been correct to date dd, my politics are due to me wanting a more equal society and I place my vote, efforts and some resources to further that goal. Politics is the main opportunity to change and improve society and your jaundiced view of politicians only demonstrates ignorance.If you want to see people do well maybe you should strive to give all people the same opportunity. To understand this you need to get your head around social mobility and how it works but mainly how it doesn't work.
Syd, how would you draw the line at which a pensioner would be classed as being wealthy.