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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/29/revealed-cressida-dick-sought-500000-to-quit-as-met-chiefAnother sorry tale of rewarding gross negligence and failure.Seems we have now become this country that just can't help itself, instead allowing abject failures to call the shots.
Don't forget this was the commanding office who managed to get Jean Charles de Menezes killed in London for the mighty crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.The checks and balances in the Met's system's must be unbelievable.!!
It's wider rhan just the Met. If you pay peanuts... Normal Rules has graphically described for us the price you, me and everybody are paying for over a decade of refusing to pay public servants properly. We ought to be paying more tax. Not less. Look out of your window. What national success do you see? And enquire why that list is so short...BobG
Quote from: BobG on January 29, 2023, 09:20:53 pmIt's wider rhan just the Met. If you pay peanuts... Normal Rules has graphically described for us the price you, me and everybody are paying for over a decade of refusing to pay public servants properly. We ought to be paying more tax. Not less. Look out of your window. What national success do you see? And enquire why that list is so short...BobGWhat has the wider topic of failing police pay got to do with an incompetent policewoman who was actually paid well over the odds for her record of high profile failures.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/29/revealed-cressida-dick-sought-500000-to-quit-as-met-chiefAnother sorry tale of rewarding gross negligence and failure.Seems we have now become this country that just can't help itself, instead allowing abject failures to call the shots.
Quote from: danumdon on January 29, 2023, 09:28:44 pmQuote from: BobG on January 29, 2023, 09:20:53 pmIt's wider rhan just the Met. If you pay peanuts... Normal Rules has graphically described for us the price you, me and everybody are paying for over a decade of refusing to pay public servants properly. We ought to be paying more tax. Not less. Look out of your window. What national success do you see? And enquire why that list is so short...BobGWhat has the wider topic of failing police pay got to do with an incompetent policewoman who was actually paid well over the odds for her record of high profile failures.I suppose the bigger picture is of neither interest nor concern to you then dd.CheersBobG
Dick joined as a beat copper
Quote from: SydneyRover on January 29, 2023, 10:18:17 pmDick joined as a beat copperMost of them started out as PC’s. It means nothing. They all reach a point, usually when they get to Supt and above where they become corporate beasts. Politicians. Ground level policing becomes a very distant memory to them. They care only for organisational risk and reputation of their own careers. They care nothing for ground level officers. They say they do, but they don’t. I’ll give you an example. A local force has just been given an uplift in funding from the home office. Part of that uplift dictates, not recommends, that this force has to maintain a certain head count of police officers. Because that’s what the govt is pushing. If the force does not adhere, they will be financially penalised. A reduction in overall funding. But the overall wage bill doesn’t stack up. So half of this forces pcso’ s are being laid off. Some of whom only joined in oct last year. And there will be police staff losing their jobs no doubt soon also. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.The chief officer group in this force, and others, are pandering to the governments political will to keep police numbers at a certain level. And they will lay off pcso and police staff to make the books balance. Have a look at Kent online. They laid off 350pcso’s /staff just last year. Here is the kicker. Those extra police officers will be used to backfill some of the community policing jobs the pcsos did. And the jobs of some of the police staff did also. There won’t be any extra cops on the street. A good example of this is civilian custodians, or those who staff the town enquiry desks at police station, currently employed on police staff contracts. They get laid off, guess what? Yes, a cop gets used to do that job. Getting double the amount of pay and taking that officer away from normal policing. The chief officers don’t see this, or if they do, they don’t care, because it’s their reputation and career on the line if they stand up to the HO and say no. They are allowing themselves to be bullied by the HO into keeping police numbers acceptable. At the cost of community policing and staff jobs.
Quote from: normal rules on January 30, 2023, 01:28:08 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on January 29, 2023, 10:18:17 pmDick joined as a beat copperMost of them started out as PC’s. It means nothing. They all reach a point, usually when they get to Supt and above where they become corporate beasts. Politicians. Ground level policing becomes a very distant memory to them. They care only for organisational risk and reputation of their own careers. They care nothing for ground level officers. They say they do, but they don’t. I’ll give you an example. A local force has just been given an uplift in funding from the home office. Part of that uplift dictates, not recommends, that this force has to maintain a certain head count of police officers. Because that’s what the govt is pushing. If the force does not adhere, they will be financially penalised. A reduction in overall funding. But the overall wage bill doesn’t stack up. So half of this forces pcso’ s are being laid off. Some of whom only joined in oct last year. And there will be police staff losing their jobs no doubt soon also. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.The chief officer group in this force, and others, are pandering to the governments political will to keep police numbers at a certain level. And they will lay off pcso and police staff to make the books balance. Have a look at Kent online. They laid off 350pcso’s /staff just last year. Here is the kicker. Those extra police officers will be used to backfill some of the community policing jobs the pcsos did. And the jobs of some of the police staff did also. There won’t be any extra cops on the street. A good example of this is civilian custodians, or those who staff the town enquiry desks at police station, currently employed on police staff contracts. They get laid off, guess what? Yes, a cop gets used to do that job. Getting double the amount of pay and taking that officer away from normal policing. The chief officers don’t see this, or if they do, they don’t care, because it’s their reputation and career on the line if they stand up to the HO and say no. They are allowing themselves to be bullied by the HO into keeping police numbers acceptable. At the cost of community policing and staff jobs.Why can't you just say your statement was incorrect
You need to understand that it should be a service rather than a force.
Quote from: SydneyRover on January 30, 2023, 11:17:00 pmYou need to understand that it should be a service rather than a force. What’s that’s supposed to mean? They provide a service, and are named, by many, still, as a Force. What about Fire Service.? Some still give them the military term Brigade?
Quote from: normal rules on January 31, 2023, 07:30:43 amQuote from: SydneyRover on January 30, 2023, 11:17:00 pmYou need to understand that it should be a service rather than a force. What’s that’s supposed to mean? They provide a service, and are named, by many, still, as a Force. What about Fire Service.? Some still give them the military term Brigade?I don't think the fire service has the same problems as the police have they nr?
Quote from: SydneyRover on January 31, 2023, 07:51:44 amQuote from: normal rules on January 31, 2023, 07:30:43 amQuote from: SydneyRover on January 30, 2023, 11:17:00 pmYou need to understand that it should be a service rather than a force. What’s that’s supposed to mean? They provide a service, and are named, by many, still, as a Force. What about Fire Service.? Some still give them the military term Brigade?I don't think the fire service has the same problems as the police have they nr? I wouldn’t be too sure of that. Very well documented reports of widespread mysonginism, bullying and racism in London fire brigade. Which will no doubt be replicated but less reported nationally. Huge issues over funding nationally. Issues with recruitment and retention too. Oh, and they are about to go on strike over pay and conditions. Something the police aren’t allowed to do, but I’m pretty sure they would if they could.
If that's a joke it's a very poor one
Quote from: StocktonRover on January 31, 2023, 09:13:53 pmIf that's a joke it's a very poor onejoke is maybe incorrect but it is a way of asking a question that cannot be answered yes or no just like idlers
Quote from: SydneyRover on January 31, 2023, 09:18:20 pmQuote from: StocktonRover on January 31, 2023, 09:13:53 pmIf that's a joke it's a very poor onejoke is maybe incorrect but it is a way of asking a question that cannot be answered yes or no just like idlers In your quest to feature in every topic in this part of the forum you have made yourself appear to e an obtuse idiot! Can't you find a footie club in your adoptive country to follow an annoy?