Cressida Dick, was she worth it?

[danumdon]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/29/revealed-cressida-dick-sought-500000-to-quit-as-met-chief

Another sorry tale of rewarding gross negligence and failure.

Seems we have now become this country that just can't help itself, instead allowing abject failures to call the shots.

[roverstillidie91]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/29/revealed-cressida-dick-sought-500000-to-quit-as-met-chief

Another sorry tale of rewarding gross negligence and failure.

Seems we have now become this country that just can't help itself, instead allowing abject failures to call the shots.

Everyone will just unfortunately forget about Sarah Everard and the countless women that the recent Met Officer who was charged for rape and god knows else and then something else will come out of the wordwork and everyone will forget about that as well.

I dont believe they covered themselves with glory when they was protesting during covid when Sarah Everard was murdered.



https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-police-commissioner-cressida-dick-six-scandals-resignation-b981978.html

[BobG]

It's wider rhan just the Met. If you pay peanuts... Normal Rules has graphically described for us the price you, me and everybody are paying for over a decade of refusing to pay public servants properly. We ought to be paying more tax. Not less. Look out of your window. What national success do you see? And enquire why that list is so short...

BobG

[danumdon]

Don't forget this was the commanding office who managed to get Jean Charles de Menezes killed in London for the mighty crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The checks and balances in the Met's system's must be unbelievable.!!

[roverstillidie91]

Don't forget this was the commanding office who managed to get Jean Charles de Menezes killed in London for the mighty crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The checks and balances in the Met's system's must be unbelievable.!!

I was trying to think of something that had occured that had involved her but couldn't think what it was and now you've reminded me.

[danumdon]

It's wider rhan just the Met. If you pay peanuts... Normal Rules has graphically described for us the price you, me and everybody are paying for over a decade of refusing to pay public servants properly. We ought to be paying more tax. Not less. Look out of your window. What national success do you see? And enquire why that list is so short...

BobG

What has the wider topic of failing police pay got to do with an incompetent policewoman who was actually paid well over the odds for her record of high profile failures.

[roverstillidie91]

It's wider rhan just the Met. If you pay peanuts... Normal Rules has graphically described for us the price you, me and everybody are paying for over a decade of refusing to pay public servants properly. We ought to be paying more tax. Not less. Look out of your window. What national success do you see? And enquire why that list is so short...

BobG

What has the wider topic of failing police pay got to do with an incompetent policewoman who was actually paid well over the odds for her record of high profile failures.

Like in a lot of the industries especially the public sector there are too many people sat behind desks not doing anything. Jobs for boys or mates and not enough positions lower down on the ground

[tyke1962]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/29/revealed-cressida-dick-sought-500000-to-quit-as-met-chief

Another sorry tale of rewarding gross negligence and failure.

Seems we have now become this country that just can't help itself, instead allowing abject failures to call the shots.

The Labour leader is a big fan apparently but that's the establishment for you .

https://youtu.be/NeKzcPoCxm4

[normal rules]

Those at chief officer group levels are so far detached from real life policing it’s un real. They are politicians first and foremost. Some just wear a police uniform. They have no idea what goes on at pc level.

[SydneyRover]

Dick joined as a beat copper

[Sprotyrover]

Dick was the ideal candidate for the Job at the time, female, Woke,
And seemingly easy to manipulate!

[BobG]

It's wider rhan just the Met. If you pay peanuts... Normal Rules has graphically described for us the price you, me and everybody are paying for over a decade of refusing to pay public servants properly. We ought to be paying more tax. Not less. Look out of your window. What national success do you see? And enquire why that list is so short...

BobG

What has the wider topic of failing police pay got to do with an incompetent policewoman who was actually paid well over the odds for her record of high profile failures.

I suppose the bigger picture is of neither interest nor concern to you then dd.

Cheers

BobG

[danumdon]

It's wider rhan just the Met. If you pay peanuts... Normal Rules has graphically described for us the price you, me and everybody are paying for over a decade of refusing to pay public servants properly. We ought to be paying more tax. Not less. Look out of your window. What national success do you see? And enquire why that list is so short...

BobG

What has the wider topic of failing police pay got to do with an incompetent policewoman who was actually paid well over the odds for her record of high profile failures.

I suppose the bigger picture is of neither interest nor concern to you then dd.

Cheers

BobG

I'm quite positive there is a thread currently engaged in this exact topic you raise Bob, would it not be the sensible thing to do to post it where its more relevant?

[normal rules]

Dick joined as a beat copper

Most of them started out as PC’s. It means nothing.
They all reach a point, usually when they get to Supt and above where they become corporate beasts. Politicians. Ground level policing becomes a very distant memory to them. They care only for organisational risk and reputation of their own careers. They care nothing for ground level officers. They say they do, but they don’t.

I’ll give you an example.
A local force has just been given an uplift in funding from the home office. Part of that uplift dictates, not recommends, that this force has to maintain a certain head count of police officers. Because that’s what the govt is pushing. If the force does not adhere, they will be financially penalised. A reduction in overall funding.
But the overall wage bill doesn’t stack up. So half of this forces pcso’ s are being laid off. Some of whom only joined in oct last year. And there will be police staff losing their jobs no doubt soon also. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
The chief officer group in this force, and others, are pandering to the governments political will to keep police numbers at a certain level. And they will lay off pcso and police staff to make the books balance. Have a look at Kent online. They laid off 350pcso’s /staff just last year. Here is the kicker. Those extra police officers will be used to backfill some of the community policing jobs the pcsos did. And the jobs of some of the police staff did also. There won’t be any extra cops on the street.
A good example of this is civilian custodians, or those who staff the town enquiry desks at police station, currently employed on police staff contracts. They get laid off, guess what? Yes, a cop gets used to do that job. Getting double the amount of pay and taking that officer away from normal policing.
The chief officers don’t see this, or if they do, they don’t care, because it’s their reputation and career on the line if they stand up to the HO and say no. They are allowing themselves to be bullied by the HO into keeping police numbers acceptable. At the cost of community policing and staff jobs.

[Sprotyrover]

Hmm. Both the Prison Service and the Police also have the massive issue of the fact that if they dispense with the services of an officer recruited by means of Government uplift funding
They have to pay a financial penalty of £18,000!
So as a consequence very few officers are having their service terminated, which means that there are a lot of bad apples which will stay in both organisations severely under perform and drag both services down.
The Royal college of Policing asked Chiefs what they thought of the new much vaunted University scheme, the unanimous push back resulted in the Colege telling Chiefs that they could opt out and revert back to traditional training methods.
One local force will carry on with the scheme due to the pathetic leadership skills of the present Woke chief and her even more Woke Right Reverend Police commissioner.

[SydneyRover]

Dick joined as a beat copper

Most of them started out as PC’s. It means nothing.
They all reach a point, usually when they get to Supt and above where they become corporate beasts. Politicians. Ground level policing becomes a very distant memory to them. They care only for organisational risk and reputation of their own careers. They care nothing for ground level officers. They say they do, but they don’t.

I’ll give you an example.
A local force has just been given an uplift in funding from the home office. Part of that uplift dictates, not recommends, that this force has to maintain a certain head count of police officers. Because that’s what the govt is pushing. If the force does not adhere, they will be financially penalised. A reduction in overall funding.
But the overall wage bill doesn’t stack up. So half of this forces pcso’ s are being laid off. Some of whom only joined in oct last year. And there will be police staff losing their jobs no doubt soon also. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
The chief officer group in this force, and others, are pandering to the governments political will to keep police numbers at a certain level. And they will lay off pcso and police staff to make the books balance. Have a look at Kent online. They laid off 350pcso’s /staff just last year. Here is the kicker. Those extra police officers will be used to backfill some of the community policing jobs the pcsos did. And the jobs of some of the police staff did also. There won’t be any extra cops on the street.
A good example of this is civilian custodians, or those who staff the town enquiry desks at police station, currently employed on police staff contracts. They get laid off, guess what? Yes, a cop gets used to do that job. Getting double the amount of pay and taking that officer away from normal policing.
The chief officers don’t see this, or if they do, they don’t care, because it’s their reputation and career on the line if they stand up to the HO and say no. They are allowing themselves to be bullied by the HO into keeping police numbers acceptable. At the cost of community policing and staff jobs.

Why can't you just say your statement was incorrect

[normal rules]

Dick joined as a beat copper

Most of them started out as PC’s. It means nothing.
They all reach a point, usually when they get to Supt and above where they become corporate beasts. Politicians. Ground level policing becomes a very distant memory to them. They care only for organisational risk and reputation of their own careers. They care nothing for ground level officers. They say they do, but they don’t.

I’ll give you an example.
A local force has just been given an uplift in funding from the home office. Part of that uplift dictates, not recommends, that this force has to maintain a certain head count of police officers. Because that’s what the govt is pushing. If the force does not adhere, they will be financially penalised. A reduction in overall funding.
But the overall wage bill doesn’t stack up. So half of this forces pcso’ s are being laid off. Some of whom only joined in oct last year. And there will be police staff losing their jobs no doubt soon also. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
The chief officer group in this force, and others, are pandering to the governments political will to keep police numbers at a certain level. And they will lay off pcso and police staff to make the books balance. Have a look at Kent online. They laid off 350pcso’s /staff just last year. Here is the kicker. Those extra police officers will be used to backfill some of the community policing jobs the pcsos did. And the jobs of some of the police staff did also. There won’t be any extra cops on the street.
A good example of this is civilian custodians, or those who staff the town enquiry desks at police station, currently employed on police staff contracts. They get laid off, guess what? Yes, a cop gets used to do that job. Getting double the amount of pay and taking that officer away from normal policing.
The chief officers don’t see this, or if they do, they don’t care, because it’s their reputation and career on the line if they stand up to the HO and say no. They are allowing themselves to be bullied by the HO into keeping police numbers acceptable. At the cost of community policing and staff jobs.

Why can't you just say your statement was incorrect

Because context, relevance and evidence is important.
I thought you, of all those that post on here, would appreciate that SR.

[SydneyRover]

You need to understand that it should be a service rather than a force.

[normal rules]

You need to understand that it should be a service rather than a force.

What’s that’s supposed to mean? They provide a service, and are named, by many, still, as a Force.
What about Fire Service.? Some still give them the military term Brigade?

[SydneyRover]

You need to understand that it should be a service rather than a force.

What’s that’s supposed to mean? They provide a service, and are named, by many, still, as a Force.
What about Fire Service.? Some still give them the military term Brigade?

I don't think the fire service has the same problems as the police have they nr?

[normal rules]

You need to understand that it should be a service rather than a force.

What’s that’s supposed to mean? They provide a service, and are named, by many, still, as a Force.
What about Fire Service.? Some still give them the military term Brigade?

I don't think the fire service has the same problems as the police have they nr?

I wouldn’t be too sure of that.
Very well documented reports of widespread mysonginism, bullying and racism in London fire brigade. Which will no doubt be replicated but less reported nationally. Huge issues over funding nationally. Issues with recruitment and retention too.
Oh, and they are about to go on strike over pay and conditions.
Something the police aren’t allowed to do, but I’m pretty sure they would if they could.

[drfchound]

You need to understand that it should be a service rather than a force.

What’s that’s supposed to mean? They provide a service, and are named, by many, still, as a Force.
What about Fire Service.? Some still give them the military term Brigade?

I don't think the fire service has the same problems as the police have they nr?

I wouldn’t be too sure of that.
Very well documented reports of widespread mysonginism, bullying and racism in London fire brigade. Which will no doubt be replicated but less reported nationally. Huge issues over funding nationally. Issues with recruitment and retention too.
Oh, and they are about to go on strike over pay and conditions.
Something the police aren’t allowed to do, but I’m pretty sure they would if they could.

Terrible problems within the fire service reported all over the news today.
Sexual harassment of female fire fighters plus the sending of pictures of dead people on WhatsApp.

[SydneyRover]

As you appear to have an answer for everything nr I'm surprised you didn't make it further up in the ranks yourself.

[idler]

Have you ever commented in a thread Sydney without being involved in an argument or starting one?
Just asking.

[StocktonRover]

If that's a joke it's a very poor one

[danumdon]

Talk about not reading the room, very poor taste.

[SydneyRover]

If that's a joke it's a very poor one

joke is maybe incorrect but it is a way of asking a question that cannot be answered yes or no just like idlers

[turnbull for england]

You need to understand that it should be a service rather than a force.

What’s that’s supposed to mean? They provide a service, and are named, by many, still, as a Force.
What about Fire Service.? Some still give them the military term Brigade?

I don't think the fire service has the same problems as the police have they nr?

You need to understand that it should be a service rather than a force.

What’s that’s supposed to mean? They provide a service, and are named, by many, still, as a Force.
What about Fire Service.? Some still give them the military term Brigade?

I don't think the fire service has the same problems as the police have they nr?

Maybe they do https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-64474666

[Sprotyrover]

If that's a joke it's a very poor one

joke is maybe incorrect but it is a way of asking a question that cannot be answered yes or no just like idlers

In your quest to feature in every topic in this part of the forum you have made yourself appear to e an obtuse idiot! Can't you find a footie club in your adoptive country to follow an annoy?

[SydneyRover]

If that's a joke it's a very poor one

joke is maybe incorrect but it is a way of asking a question that cannot be answered yes or no just like idlers

In your quest to feature in every topic in this part of the forum you have made yourself appear to e an obtuse idiot! Can't you find a footie club in your adoptive country to follow an annoy?

Maybe if you and others stuck to facts instead of insults and trying to justify nonsense my task would be easier? just saying like.