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DD.Go and read the exchange.I've replied to your points with a critique of what I think has happened over the last half century.Every time I've posted, you've ignored what I said and just continued your monologue.If that's what you want to do, fine. Just don't get arksey when someone disengages.
Argh!That's the whole point of what I'm saying!Because the Overton Window has moved significantly to the right of where it was 60 years ago.Labour are further to the Right than the Wilson Government (Callaghan is a REALLY bad example as the lurch to the Right started under him.)But the Tories are also to the Right of Thatcher & Major and WAY to the Right of Heath.What you are doing is noticing that Labour moved to the Right but ignoring what the Tories have done, so you're assuming they are all the same.
Syd do you agree?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 17, 2023, 02:02:20 pmArgh!That's the whole point of what I'm saying!Because the Overton Window has moved significantly to the right of where it was 60 years ago.Labour are further to the Right than the Wilson Government (Callaghan is a REALLY bad example as the lurch to the Right started under him.)But the Tories are also to the Right of Thatcher & Major and WAY to the Right of Heath.What you are doing is noticing that Labour moved to the Right but ignoring what the Tories have done, so you're assuming they are all the same. Would you rather live now or 60 years ago?
Argh!That's the whole point of what I'm saying!Because the Overton Window has moved significantly to the right of where it was 60 years ago.Labour are further to the Right than the Wilson Government (Callaghan is a REALLY bad example as the lurch to the Right started under him.)But the Tories are also to the Right of Thatcher & Major and WAY to the Right of Heath.What you are doing is noticing that Labour moved to the Right but ignoring what the Tories have done, so you're assuming they are all the same.
Quote from: ncRover on March 17, 2023, 08:22:19 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 17, 2023, 02:02:20 pmArgh!That's the whole point of what I'm saying!Because the Overton Window has moved significantly to the right of where it was 60 years ago.Labour are further to the Right than the Wilson Government (Callaghan is a REALLY bad example as the lurch to the Right started under him.)But the Tories are also to the Right of Thatcher & Major and WAY to the Right of Heath.What you are doing is noticing that Labour moved to the Right but ignoring what the Tories have done, so you're assuming they are all the same. Would you rather live now or 60 years ago?That's really not the question.Nobody is saying that we should revert the economy back to 1960.The point is we have a lot to learn from how the economic growth direction was managed in the period 1950-1980.We had higher growth than we've had since, fairer distribution of that growth, much less severe recessions and because of all that, we got debt down more effectively.The question isn't: Are we better off now than in 1960?It is: Would we be better off now if we'd not had a revolutionary lurch to the right on economics in the 1980s?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 17, 2023, 02:02:20 pmArgh!That's the whole point of what I'm saying!Because the Overton Window has moved significantly to the right of where it was 60 years ago.Labour are further to the Right than the Wilson Government (Callaghan is a REALLY bad example as the lurch to the Right started under him.)But the Tories are also to the Right of Thatcher & Major and WAY to the Right of Heath.What you are doing is noticing that Labour moved to the Right but ignoring what the Tories have done, so you're assuming they are all the same. Would you rather live now or 60 years ago?
Argh!That's the whole point of what I'm saying!Because the Overton Window has moved significantly to the right of where it was 60 years ago.Labour are further to the Right than the Wilson Government (Callaghan is a REALLY bad example as the lurch to the Right started under him.)But the Tories are also to the Right of Thatcher & Major and WAY to the Right of Heath.What you are doing is noticing that Labour moved to the Right but ignoring what the Tories have done, so you're assuming they are all the same.
I preferred MOTD last week. No commentary, no tiresome analysis, no dad jokes, just straight from game to game, short, sweet, to point.
I don’t remember the seventies as being particularly great.Inflation at 20% and rarely below 10%.Unemployment at over 1.5million.It seemed that one group or another was always on strike too.Labour were in power from 1974 to 79.To suggest that they drastically reduced unemployment is a twist of what really happened.At the start of the 70s unemployment was around 600,00 and it rose to 1.5million under Labour before dropping back a little.BST excuses the inflation rises partly due to OPEC prices rises but condemns the current government without giving any credit against the gas price rises brought about by the war in Ukraine.
Quote from: drfchound on March 18, 2023, 09:58:14 pmI don’t remember the seventies as being particularly great.Inflation at 20% and rarely below 10%.Unemployment at over 1.5million.It seemed that one group or another was always on strike too.Labour were in power from 1974 to 79.To suggest that they drastically reduced unemployment is a twist of what really happened.At the start of the 70s unemployment was around 600,00 and it rose to 1.5million under Labour before dropping back a little.BST excuses the inflation rises partly due to OPEC prices rises but condemns the current government without giving any credit against the gas price rises brought about by the war in Ukraine.well he was in nappies at the timeAbba eventually got into oil and lost a fortune.https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/money-how-abba-actually-came-paid-oil-david-wylie
Quote from: Colemans Left Hook on March 19, 2023, 02:34:28 amQuote from: drfchound on March 18, 2023, 09:58:14 pmI don’t remember the seventies as being particularly great.Inflation at 20% and rarely below 10%.Unemployment at over 1.5million.It seemed that one group or another was always on strike too.Labour were in power from 1974 to 79.To suggest that they drastically reduced unemployment is a twist of what really happened.At the start of the 70s unemployment was around 600,00 and it rose to 1.5million under Labour before dropping back a little.BST excuses the inflation rises partly due to OPEC prices rises but condemns the current government without giving any credit against the gas price rises brought about by the war in Ukraine.well he was in nappies at the timeAbba eventually got into oil and lost a fortune.https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/money-how-abba-actually-came-paid-oil-david-wylieA perfect example of why I have Hound on Ignore. He's so obsessed with his idea of what he thinks I think, he puts wrong words in my mouth even when responding to the actual words I've written. I did NOT say that Labour drastically reduced unemployment in the 1970s. (And by the way, it never got remotely close to 1.5million, but facts, eh?)I'm also not sure who this BST is that Hound knows, who hasn't accepted that the Ukraine war and energy prices have been a big part of our current inflation problem. I'd like to meet him and tell him he's wrong. (But I don't actually think he exists outside Hound's rather embittered imagination.)
Quote from: Colemans Left Hook on March 19, 2023, 02:34:28 amQuote from: drfchound on March 18, 2023, 09:58:14 pmI don’t remember the seventies as being particularly great.Inflation at 20% and rarely below 10%.Unemployment at over 1.5million.It seemed that one group or another was always on strike too.Labour were in power from 1974 to 79.To suggest that they drastically reduced unemployment is a twist of what really happened.At the start of the 70s unemployment was around 600,00 and it rose to 1.5million under Labour before dropping back a little.BST excuses the inflation rises partly due to OPEC prices rises but condemns the current government without giving any credit against the gas price rises brought about by the war in Ukraine.well he was in nappies at the timeAbba eventually got into oil and lost a fortune.https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/money-how-abba-actually-came-paid-oil-david-wylieA perfect example of why I have Hound on Ignore. He's so obsessed with his idea of what he thinks I think, he puts wrong words in my mouth even when responding to the actual words I've written. I did NOT say that Labour drastically reduced unemployment in the 1970s. (And by the way, it never got remotely close to 1.5million, but facts, eh?)I'm also not sure who this BST is that Hound knows, who hasn't accepted that the Ukraine war and energy prices have been a big part of our current inflation problem. I'd like to meet him and tell him he's wrong. (But I don't actually think he exists outside Hound's rather embittered imagination.)
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 19, 2023, 10:55:49 amQuote from: Colemans Left Hook on March 19, 2023, 02:34:28 amQuote from: drfchound on March 18, 2023, 09:58:14 pmI don’t remember the seventies as being particularly great.Inflation at 20% and rarely below 10%.Unemployment at over 1.5million.It seemed that one group or another was always on strike too.Labour were in power from 1974 to 79.To suggest that they drastically reduced unemployment is a twist of what really happened.At the start of the 70s unemployment was around 600,00 and it rose to 1.5million under Labour before dropping back a little.BST excuses the inflation rises partly due to OPEC prices rises but condemns the current government without giving any credit against the gas price rises brought about by the war in Ukraine.well he was in nappies at the timeAbba eventually got into oil and lost a fortune.https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/money-how-abba-actually-came-paid-oil-david-wylieA perfect example of why I have Hound on Ignore. He's so obsessed with his idea of what he thinks I think, he puts wrong words in my mouth even when responding to the actual words I've written. I did NOT say that Labour drastically reduced unemployment in the 1970s. (And by the way, it never got remotely close to 1.5million, but facts, eh?)I'm also not sure who this BST is that Hound knows, who hasn't accepted that the Ukraine war and energy prices have been a big part of our current inflation problem. I'd like to meet him and tell him he's wrong. (But I don't actually think he exists outside Hound's rather embittered imagination.)I'm sorry but when you start referring to yourself in the third person then i just can't take anything you say seriously!!
Quote from: danumdon on March 19, 2023, 05:53:25 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 19, 2023, 10:55:49 amQuote from: Colemans Left Hook on March 19, 2023, 02:34:28 amQuote from: drfchound on March 18, 2023, 09:58:14 pmI don’t remember the seventies as being particularly great.Inflation at 20% and rarely below 10%.Unemployment at over 1.5million.It seemed that one group or another was always on strike too.Labour were in power from 1974 to 79.To suggest that they drastically reduced unemployment is a twist of what really happened.At the start of the 70s unemployment was around 600,00 and it rose to 1.5million under Labour before dropping back a little.BST excuses the inflation rises partly due to OPEC prices rises but condemns the current government without giving any credit against the gas price rises brought about by the war in Ukraine.well he was in nappies at the timeAbba eventually got into oil and lost a fortune.https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/money-how-abba-actually-came-paid-oil-david-wylieA perfect example of why I have Hound on Ignore. He's so obsessed with his idea of what he thinks I think, he puts wrong words in my mouth even when responding to the actual words I've written. I did NOT say that Labour drastically reduced unemployment in the 1970s. (And by the way, it never got remotely close to 1.5million, but facts, eh?)I'm also not sure who this BST is that Hound knows, who hasn't accepted that the Ukraine war and energy prices have been a big part of our current inflation problem. I'd like to meet him and tell him he's wrong. (But I don't actually think he exists outside Hound's rather embittered imagination.)I'm sorry but when you start referring to yourself in the third person then i just can't take anything you say seriously!!DD.I'm referring to this person inside Hound's head who he regularly confuses with me.