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But no other party has been led by someone with a 30 year track record of lying through his teeth about anything an everything from the shape of bananas to where he put his cock.No other party has been led by a liar who broke his own law then lied about it repeatedly.No other party has ever had an ex-PM found by his peers to have deliberately and knowingly lied to the House.What in earth are you trying to balance up here?
Sunak, like the coward he is has not turned up for the debate, that is shameful from the PM over something as serious as this
Quote from: Filo on June 19, 2023, 07:25:42 pmSunak, like the coward he is has not turned up for the debate, that is shameful from the PM over something as serious as thisFirst time in history that an ex-PM has been booted out of the Commons by his peers for lying to them.And the current PM can't find the balls to give a lead on this.
Nick Fletcher is voting against the report, remember people of Don Valley!
Quote from: Filo on June 19, 2023, 08:04:23 pmNick Fletcher is voting against the report, remember people of Don Valley!He's got no chance of getting re-elected.
I live in the Don Valley Constituency and i agree that this fella has not come across well at all. Its very likely he will loose his seat at the next GE, however who will he be replaced by? the way these things are done these days its usually some party plant with no history or allegiance to the area, but with an activist record as long as your arm. Labour are now very proactive in ensuring that their prospective candidates are "vetted" to the 12th degree, they have to be on the same page as Starmer and they will no doubt align themselves with every policy and initiative that the party machine will wheel out, and then they will just as quickly as the party itself, disassociate themselves with policy that's deemed not for now or to put on the back burner.Whatever happened to independent thinking and having the strengths of your own convictions in these people, it seems some will go to any lengths to get on the bandwagon.I am aware that Flint was a plant from above when she first came and i will agree that she did put time and effort into the job, lived in the borough and made it her home, that she had her own mind and convictions was great and a credit to her but i very much doubt this will be the case this time, its a thing of the past now with Starmer's robotic army of disciples of everything and nothing.Ill await to see what appertains but i doubt i will be proved wrong.
I live in the Don Valley Constituency and i agree that this fella has not come across well at all. Its very likely he will loose his seat at the next GE, however who will he be replaced by? the way these things are done these days its usually some party plant with no history or allegiance to the area, but with an activist record as long as your arm. Labour are now very proactive in ensuring that their prospective candidates are "vetted" to the 12th degree, they have to be on the same page as Starmer and they will no doubt align themselves with every policy and initiative that the party machine will wheel out, and then they will just as quickly as the party itself, disassociate themselves with policy that's deemed not for now or to put on the back burner.Whatever happened to independent thinking and having the strengths of your own convictions in these people, it seems some will go to any lengths to get on the bandwagon.I am aware that Flint was a plant from above when she first came and i will agree that she did put time and effort into the job, lived in the borough and made it her home, that she had her own mind and convictions was great and a credit to her but i very much doubt this will be the case this time, its a thing of the past now with Starmer's robotic army of disciples of everything and nothing.Ill await to see what appertains but i doubt i will be proved wrong.
Quote from: danumdon on June 20, 2023, 09:17:50 amI live in the Don Valley Constituency and i agree that this fella has not come across well at all. Its very likely he will loose his seat at the next GE, however who will he be replaced by? the way these things are done these days its usually some party plant with no history or allegiance to the area, but with an activist record as long as your arm. Labour are now very proactive in ensuring that their prospective candidates are "vetted" to the 12th degree, they have to be on the same page as Starmer and they will no doubt align themselves with every policy and initiative that the party machine will wheel out, and then they will just as quickly as the party itself, disassociate themselves with policy that's deemed not for now or to put on the back burner.Whatever happened to independent thinking and having the strengths of your own convictions in these people, it seems some will go to any lengths to get on the bandwagon.I am aware that Flint was a plant from above when she first came and i will agree that she did put time and effort into the job, lived in the borough and made it her home, that she had her own mind and convictions was great and a credit to her but i very much doubt this will be the case this time, its a thing of the past now with Starmer's robotic army of disciples of everything and nothing.Ill await to see what appertains but i doubt i will be proved wrong.You prefer a Martin Redmond?
I live in the Don Valley Constituency and i agree that this fella has not come across well at all. Its very likely he will loose his seat at the next GE, however who will he be replaced by? the way these things are done these days its usually some party plant with no history or allegiance to the area, but with an activist record as long as your arm. Labour are now very proactive in ensuring that their prospective candidates are "vetted" to the 12th degree, they have to be on the same page as Starmer and they will no doubt align themselves with every policy and initiative that the party machine will wheel out, and then they will just as quickly as the party itself, disassociate themselves with policy that's deemed not for now or to put on the back burner.Whatever happened to independent thinking and having the strengths of your own convictions in these people, it seems some will go to any lengths to get on the bandwagon.I am aware that Flint was a plant from above when she first came and i will agree that she did put time and effort into the job, lived in the borough and made it her home, that she had her own mind and convictions was great and a credit to her but i very much doubt this will be the case this time, its a thing of the past now with Starmer's robotic army of disciples of everything and nothing.Ill await to see what appertains but i doubt i will be proved wrong.
Quote from: danumdon on June 20, 2023, 09:17:50 amI live in the Don Valley Constituency and i agree that this fella has not come across well at all. Its very likely he will loose his seat at the next GE, however who will he be replaced by? the way these things are done these days its usually some party plant with no history or allegiance to the area, but with an activist record as long as your arm. Labour are now very proactive in ensuring that their prospective candidates are "vetted" to the 12th degree, they have to be on the same page as Starmer and they will no doubt align themselves with every policy and initiative that the party machine will wheel out, and then they will just as quickly as the party itself, disassociate themselves with policy that's deemed not for now or to put on the back burner.Whatever happened to independent thinking and having the strengths of your own convictions in these people, it seems some will go to any lengths to get on the bandwagon.I am aware that Flint was a plant from above when she first came and i will agree that she did put time and effort into the job, lived in the borough and made it her home, that she had her own mind and convictions was great and a credit to her but i very much doubt this will be the case this time, its a thing of the past now with Starmer's robotic army of disciples of everything and nothing.Ill await to see what appertains but i doubt i will be proved wrong.DanumI am hoping that Elizabeth Dennis-Harburg gets the Labour ticket in Don Valley.She's currently the leader of the Labour Council in North Herts, but is a Donny lass through and through.She's a brilliant communicator and cares passionately about Donny and district.I know she was very keen at one point to go for Don Valley, but last time I spoke to her she was not confident about being selected. We'll see.EditJust looked at Google her cooling it might be summat to do with recent issues in her job
I live in the Don Valley Constituency and i agree that this fella has not come across well at all. Its very likely he will loose his seat at the next GE, however who will he be replaced by? the way these things are done these days its usually some party plant with no history or allegiance to the area, but with an activist record as long as your arm. Labour are now very proactive in ensuring that their prospective candidates are "vetted" to the 12th degree, they have to be on the same page as Starmer and they will no doubt align themselves with every policy and initiative that the party machine will wheel out, and then they will just as quickly as the party itself, disassociate themselves with policy that's deemed not for now or to put on the back burner.Whatever happened to independent thinking and having the strengths of your own convictions in these people, it seems some will go to any lengths to get on the bandwagon.I am aware that Flint was a plant from above when she first came and i will agree that she did put time and effort into the job, lived in the borough and made it her home, that she had her own mind and convictions was great and a credit to her but i very much doubt this will be the case this time, its a thing of the past now with Starmer's robotic army of disciples of everything and nothing.Ill await to see what appertains but i doubt i will be proved wrong.
A bit harsh Danum.Rosie Winterton spends most of her time supporting one thing in Donny then another, and standing up for the community. She came to our fundraiser on Friday night and then to the opening of a miners memorial in the village on Sunday and donated and spoke at both.Her successir Sally Jameson attends everything and works her socks off despite having a full time job at the Prison.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 20, 2023, 10:27:46 amQuote from: danumdon on June 20, 2023, 09:17:50 amI live in the Don Valley Constituency and i agree that this fella has not come across well at all. Its very likely he will loose his seat at the next GE, however who will he be replaced by? the way these things are done these days its usually some party plant with no history or allegiance to the area, but with an activist record as long as your arm. Labour are now very proactive in ensuring that their prospective candidates are "vetted" to the 12th degree, they have to be on the same page as Starmer and they will no doubt align themselves with every policy and initiative that the party machine will wheel out, and then they will just as quickly as the party itself, disassociate themselves with policy that's deemed not for now or to put on the back burner.Whatever happened to independent thinking and having the strengths of your own convictions in these people, it seems some will go to any lengths to get on the bandwagon.I am aware that Flint was a plant from above when she first came and i will agree that she did put time and effort into the job, lived in the borough and made it her home, that she had her own mind and convictions was great and a credit to her but i very much doubt this will be the case this time, its a thing of the past now with Starmer's robotic army of disciples of everything and nothing.Ill await to see what appertains but i doubt i will be proved wrong.You prefer a Martin Redmond?I certainly dont,Also anyone who has had any involvement with Doncaster Council in any of its disguises over the years should never be considered for anything higher than maybe helping on on a bin round.The standard of councillors in Doncaster going back many years has been shocking, when a job lot of them got arrested for fiddling a few years back they should of all been removed and in effect started again from scratch.Awful governance and neglect of a borough for many many years.
Quote from: danumdon on June 20, 2023, 09:17:50 amI live in the Don Valley Constituency and i agree that this fella has not come across well at all. Its very likely he will loose his seat at the next GE, however who will he be replaced by? the way these things are done these days its usually some party plant with no history or allegiance to the area, but with an activist record as long as your arm. Labour are now very proactive in ensuring that their prospective candidates are "vetted" to the 12th degree, they have to be on the same page as Starmer and they will no doubt align themselves with every policy and initiative that the party machine will wheel out, and then they will just as quickly as the party itself, disassociate themselves with policy that's deemed not for now or to put on the back burner.Whatever happened to independent thinking and having the strengths of your own convictions in these people, it seems some will go to any lengths to get on the bandwagon.I am aware that Flint was a plant from above when she first came and i will agree that she did put time and effort into the job, lived in the borough and made it her home, that she had her own mind and convictions was great and a credit to her but i very much doubt this will be the case this time, its a thing of the past now with Starmer's robotic army of disciples of everything and nothing.Ill await to see what appertains but i doubt i will be proved wrong.You prefer a Martin Redmond?
I live in the Don Valley Constituency and i agree that this fella has not come across well at all. Its very likely he will loose his seat at the next GE, however who will he be replaced by? the way these things are done these days its usually some party plant with no history or allegiance to the area, but with an activist record as long as your arm. Labour are now very proactive in ensuring that their prospective candidates are "vetted" to the 12th degree, they have to be on the same page as Starmer and they will no doubt align themselves with every policy and initiative that the party machine will wheel out, and then they will just as quickly as the party itself, disassociate themselves with policy that's deemed not for now or to put on the back burner.Whatever happened to independent thinking and having the strengths of your own convictions in these people, it seems some will go to any lengths to get on the bandwagon.I am aware that Flint was a plant from above when she first came and i will agree that she did put time and effort into the job, lived in the borough and made it her home, that she had her own mind and convictions was great and a credit to her but i very much doubt this will be the case this time, its a thing of the past now with Starmer's robotic army of disciples of everything and nothing.Ill await to see what appertains but i doubt i will be proved wrong.
Quote from: danumdon on June 20, 2023, 02:00:30 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 20, 2023, 10:27:46 amQuote from: danumdon on June 20, 2023, 09:17:50 amI live in the Don Valley Constituency and i agree that this fella has not come across well at all. Its very likely he will loose his seat at the next GE, however who will he be replaced by? the way these things are done these days its usually some party plant with no history or allegiance to the area, but with an activist record as long as your arm. Labour are now very proactive in ensuring that their prospective candidates are "vetted" to the 12th degree, they have to be on the same page as Starmer and they will no doubt align themselves with every policy and initiative that the party machine will wheel out, and then they will just as quickly as the party itself, disassociate themselves with policy that's deemed not for now or to put on the back burner.Whatever happened to independent thinking and having the strengths of your own convictions in these people, it seems some will go to any lengths to get on the bandwagon.I am aware that Flint was a plant from above when she first came and i will agree that she did put time and effort into the job, lived in the borough and made it her home, that she had her own mind and convictions was great and a credit to her but i very much doubt this will be the case this time, its a thing of the past now with Starmer's robotic army of disciples of everything and nothing.Ill await to see what appertains but i doubt i will be proved wrong.You prefer a Martin Redmond?I certainly dont,Also anyone who has had any involvement with Doncaster Council in any of its disguises over the years should never be considered for anything higher than maybe helping on on a bin round.The standard of councillors in Doncaster going back many years has been shocking, when a job lot of them got arrested for fiddling a few years back they should of all been removed and in effect started again from scratch.Awful governance and neglect of a borough for many many years.Then what DO you want Labour to do?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 20, 2023, 10:27:46 amQuote from: danumdon on June 20, 2023, 09:17:50 amI live in the Don Valley Constituency and i agree that this fella has not come across well at all. Its very likely he will loose his seat at the next GE, however who will he be replaced by? the way these things are done these days its usually some party plant with no history or allegiance to the area, but with an activist record as long as your arm. Labour are now very proactive in ensuring that their prospective candidates are "vetted" to the 12th degree, they have to be on the same page as Starmer and they will no doubt align themselves with every policy and initiative that the party machine will wheel out, and then they will just as quickly as the party itself, disassociate themselves with policy that's deemed not for now or to put on the back burner.Whatever happened to independent thinking and having the strengths of your own convictions in these people, it seems some will go to any lengths to get on the bandwagon.I am aware that Flint was a plant from above when she first came and i will agree that she did put time and effort into the job, lived in the borough and made it her home, that she had her own mind and convictions was great and a credit to her but i very much doubt this will be the case this time, its a thing of the past now with Starmer's robotic army of disciples of everything and nothing.Ill await to see what appertains but i doubt i will be proved wrong.You prefer a Martin Redmond?I certainly dont,Also anyone who has had any involvement with Doncaster Council in any of its disguises over the years should never be considered for anything higher than maybe helping on on a bin round.The standard of councillors in Doncaster going back many years has been shocking, when a job lot of them got arrested for fiddling a few years back they should of all been removed and in effect started again from scratch.Awful governance and neglect of a borough for many many years.
Quote from: danumdon on June 20, 2023, 09:17:50 amI live in the Don Valley Constituency and i agree that this fella has not come across well at all. Its very likely he will loose his seat at the next GE, however who will he be replaced by? the way these things are done these days its usually some party plant with no history or allegiance to the area, but with an activist record as long as your arm. Labour are now very proactive in ensuring that their prospective candidates are "vetted" to the 12th degree, they have to be on the same page as Starmer and they will no doubt align themselves with every policy and initiative that the party machine will wheel out, and then they will just as quickly as the party itself, disassociate themselves with policy that's deemed not for now or to put on the back burner.Whatever happened to independent thinking and having the strengths of your own convictions in these people, it seems some will go to any lengths to get on the bandwagon.I am aware that Flint was a plant from above when she first came and i will agree that she did put time and effort into the job, lived in the borough and made it her home, that she had her own mind and convictions was great and a credit to her but i very much doubt this will be the case this time, its a thing of the past now with Starmer's robotic army of disciples of everything and nothing.Ill await to see what appertains but i doubt i will be proved wrong.You prefer a Martin Redmond?
I live in the Don Valley Constituency and i agree that this fella has not come across well at all. Its very likely he will loose his seat at the next GE, however who will he be replaced by? the way these things are done these days its usually some party plant with no history or allegiance to the area, but with an activist record as long as your arm. Labour are now very proactive in ensuring that their prospective candidates are "vetted" to the 12th degree, they have to be on the same page as Starmer and they will no doubt align themselves with every policy and initiative that the party machine will wheel out, and then they will just as quickly as the party itself, disassociate themselves with policy that's deemed not for now or to put on the back burner.Whatever happened to independent thinking and having the strengths of your own convictions in these people, it seems some will go to any lengths to get on the bandwagon.I am aware that Flint was a plant from above when she first came and i will agree that she did put time and effort into the job, lived in the borough and made it her home, that she had her own mind and convictions was great and a credit to her but i very much doubt this will be the case this time, its a thing of the past now with Starmer's robotic army of disciples of everything and nothing.Ill await to see what appertains but i doubt i will be proved wrong.