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Quote from: drfchound on September 16, 2023, 08:57:19 amQuote from: Nudga on September 16, 2023, 08:32:36 amQuote from: ncRover on September 15, 2023, 11:47:47 pmNot necessarily Nudga, I’m a dog lover and owner and I think the ban is the most sensible and practical way to go about it. Anything else can’t realistically be implemented.There’s irresponsible dog owners with badly trained dogs of other breeds (including I’m sure some big and powerful ones) but we aren’t seeing a spate of stories about attacks with other breeds. There’s a pattern here.We are overlooking the fact that these Bully’s are selected for breeding based on their aggression, which coupled with their size and bite makes them incredibly dangerous.You could put an XL bully with behavioural issues with a perfect dog trainer, but it could still overpower them and get loose from its lead if it wanted to. And when they do good luck stopping one.Other breeds are available and human lives are obviously far more important.It's more of the generalisation that big dog breeds are dangerous killers. I've had German Shepherds and Rottweilers for twenty years now and I get the comments daily about how dangerous they are, most of the time while the other person's little Terrier is kicking off and trying to bite my dogs face, but then it's "funny" because theirs has got "small man syndrome". There will be hundreds of babies and toddlers attacked and bitten by small dogs but it never makes the news. I know obviously large breeds do more damage and it's harder to control them once they've gone but it's that that sells papers. I agree that the XL bully is usually owned by council estate scratters or no neck jacked up body builders who have zero clue about training a dog and more importantly, socializing it. To do these two thjngs you've got to get them out twice a day early in their life in busy park areas so that they are constantly coming into contact with people and other dogs and using treats and positive actions as reward for going anything good, no matter how trivial. Usually, these Kitsons just take them to the shop for a can of energy drink or the local park where kids are playing with footballs etc. I've seen large breed rescue dogs with massive problems become a totally different dog within 6 months because the owner took the time to train them and socialize them.Great post Nudga.I have had four German Shepherds over the years and they have all been superbly well behaved and sociable with other dogs and people.All down to taking time to train them properly.I guess that I’m one of those people who likes to share his life with a 40kg animal.It’s nothing to do with the size is it? It’s their mentality and their capacity to do damage. By the way, if you believe nurture can overcome all aspects of nature, science says you are wrong.
Quote from: Nudga on September 16, 2023, 08:32:36 amQuote from: ncRover on September 15, 2023, 11:47:47 pmNot necessarily Nudga, I’m a dog lover and owner and I think the ban is the most sensible and practical way to go about it. Anything else can’t realistically be implemented.There’s irresponsible dog owners with badly trained dogs of other breeds (including I’m sure some big and powerful ones) but we aren’t seeing a spate of stories about attacks with other breeds. There’s a pattern here.We are overlooking the fact that these Bully’s are selected for breeding based on their aggression, which coupled with their size and bite makes them incredibly dangerous.You could put an XL bully with behavioural issues with a perfect dog trainer, but it could still overpower them and get loose from its lead if it wanted to. And when they do good luck stopping one.Other breeds are available and human lives are obviously far more important.It's more of the generalisation that big dog breeds are dangerous killers. I've had German Shepherds and Rottweilers for twenty years now and I get the comments daily about how dangerous they are, most of the time while the other person's little Terrier is kicking off and trying to bite my dogs face, but then it's "funny" because theirs has got "small man syndrome". There will be hundreds of babies and toddlers attacked and bitten by small dogs but it never makes the news. I know obviously large breeds do more damage and it's harder to control them once they've gone but it's that that sells papers. I agree that the XL bully is usually owned by council estate scratters or no neck jacked up body builders who have zero clue about training a dog and more importantly, socializing it. To do these two thjngs you've got to get them out twice a day early in their life in busy park areas so that they are constantly coming into contact with people and other dogs and using treats and positive actions as reward for going anything good, no matter how trivial. Usually, these Kitsons just take them to the shop for a can of energy drink or the local park where kids are playing with footballs etc. I've seen large breed rescue dogs with massive problems become a totally different dog within 6 months because the owner took the time to train them and socialize them.Great post Nudga.I have had four German Shepherds over the years and they have all been superbly well behaved and sociable with other dogs and people.All down to taking time to train them properly.I guess that I’m one of those people who likes to share his life with a 40kg animal.
Quote from: ncRover on September 15, 2023, 11:47:47 pmNot necessarily Nudga, I’m a dog lover and owner and I think the ban is the most sensible and practical way to go about it. Anything else can’t realistically be implemented.There’s irresponsible dog owners with badly trained dogs of other breeds (including I’m sure some big and powerful ones) but we aren’t seeing a spate of stories about attacks with other breeds. There’s a pattern here.We are overlooking the fact that these Bully’s are selected for breeding based on their aggression, which coupled with their size and bite makes them incredibly dangerous.You could put an XL bully with behavioural issues with a perfect dog trainer, but it could still overpower them and get loose from its lead if it wanted to. And when they do good luck stopping one.Other breeds are available and human lives are obviously far more important.It's more of the generalisation that big dog breeds are dangerous killers. I've had German Shepherds and Rottweilers for twenty years now and I get the comments daily about how dangerous they are, most of the time while the other person's little Terrier is kicking off and trying to bite my dogs face, but then it's "funny" because theirs has got "small man syndrome". There will be hundreds of babies and toddlers attacked and bitten by small dogs but it never makes the news. I know obviously large breeds do more damage and it's harder to control them once they've gone but it's that that sells papers. I agree that the XL bully is usually owned by council estate scratters or no neck jacked up body builders who have zero clue about training a dog and more importantly, socializing it. To do these two thjngs you've got to get them out twice a day early in their life in busy park areas so that they are constantly coming into contact with people and other dogs and using treats and positive actions as reward for going anything good, no matter how trivial. Usually, these Kitsons just take them to the shop for a can of energy drink or the local park where kids are playing with footballs etc. I've seen large breed rescue dogs with massive problems become a totally different dog within 6 months because the owner took the time to train them and socialize them.
Not necessarily Nudga, I’m a dog lover and owner and I think the ban is the most sensible and practical way to go about it. Anything else can’t realistically be implemented.There’s irresponsible dog owners with badly trained dogs of other breeds (including I’m sure some big and powerful ones) but we aren’t seeing a spate of stories about attacks with other breeds. There’s a pattern here.We are overlooking the fact that these Bully’s are selected for breeding based on their aggression, which coupled with their size and bite makes them incredibly dangerous.You could put an XL bully with behavioural issues with a perfect dog trainer, but it could still overpower them and get loose from its lead if it wanted to. And when they do good luck stopping one.Other breeds are available and human lives are obviously far more important.
Quote from: GazLaz on September 16, 2023, 10:57:07 amQuote from: drfchound on September 16, 2023, 08:57:19 amQuote from: Nudga on September 16, 2023, 08:32:36 amQuote from: ncRover on September 15, 2023, 11:47:47 pmNot necessarily Nudga, I’m a dog lover and owner and I think the ban is the most sensible and practical way to go about it. Anything else can’t realistically be implemented.There’s irresponsible dog owners with badly trained dogs of other breeds (including I’m sure some big and powerful ones) but we aren’t seeing a spate of stories about attacks with other breeds. There’s a pattern here.We are overlooking the fact that these Bully’s are selected for breeding based on their aggression, which coupled with their size and bite makes them incredibly dangerous.You could put an XL bully with behavioural issues with a perfect dog trainer, but it could still overpower them and get loose from its lead if it wanted to. And when they do good luck stopping one.Other breeds are available and human lives are obviously far more important.It's more of the generalisation that big dog breeds are dangerous killers. I've had German Shepherds and Rottweilers for twenty years now and I get the comments daily about how dangerous they are, most of the time while the other person's little Terrier is kicking off and trying to bite my dogs face, but then it's "funny" because theirs has got "small man syndrome". There will be hundreds of babies and toddlers attacked and bitten by small dogs but it never makes the news. I know obviously large breeds do more damage and it's harder to control them once they've gone but it's that that sells papers. I agree that the XL bully is usually owned by council estate scratters or no neck jacked up body builders who have zero clue about training a dog and more importantly, socializing it. To do these two thjngs you've got to get them out twice a day early in their life in busy park areas so that they are constantly coming into contact with people and other dogs and using treats and positive actions as reward for going anything good, no matter how trivial. Usually, these Kitsons just take them to the shop for a can of energy drink or the local park where kids are playing with footballs etc. I've seen large breed rescue dogs with massive problems become a totally different dog within 6 months because the owner took the time to train them and socialize them.Great post Nudga.I have had four German Shepherds over the years and they have all been superbly well behaved and sociable with other dogs and people.All down to taking time to train them properly.I guess that I’m one of those people who likes to share his life with a 40kg animal.It’s nothing to do with the size is it? It’s their mentality and their capacity to do damage. By the way, if you believe nurture can overcome all aspects of nature, science says you are wrong.I know it isn’t about size Gaz but someone earlier in the thread said that they didn’t understand why anyone would want to live with a 40kg animal and I was stating that I am one of those people.Maybe people who haven’t had a dog as a pet wouldn’t understand the benefits of doing so, as long as the dog is well trained and trustworthy.
Didn't you lose your last dog Hound a couple of years back? What breed was it? Have you replaced it?We lost our 2nd Springer a few years back, no more I said. I was the one who always made that last visit to the vets. Thankfully I changed my mind and we now have a 3 year old Cocker, she is probably in her own way the best dog we have had she is brilliant with our young grandkids but all our dogs were loved and "trained" to a certain extent, but were chosen for their breed all 3 being spaniels.That I think is part of the problem size might not matter we meet a pair of lovely Rottweilers on our morning walk which are so well trained, but owning something the size of a bully with that sort of temprement and a bad owner leads to all sorts of behavioural problems My friends son has a ridgeback, he has two young children which it loves but I wouldn't go anywhere near it having seen how his landrover rocks as the dog goes crazy when anyone gets near it. He exercises it away from other dogs for some reason, wonder why that is.Take a bully away and these bad owners will always find an alternative