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The dogs aren't the problem, it's irresponsible dog owners and breeders that are the problem. It's just a publicity stunt by the government. Anyone would think that there's an election due soon.
The dogs aren't the problem, it's irresponsible dog owners and breeders that are the problem. It's just a publicity stunt by the government. Anyone would think that there's an election due soon.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 15, 2023, 03:21:27 pmThe dogs aren't the problem, it's irresponsible dog owners and breeders that are the problem. It's just a publicity stunt by the government. Anyone would think that there's an election due soon.The breeders bred the dog, and the dog is the end product. The end product is the problem, the dog IS the problem
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 15, 2023, 03:21:27 pmThe dogs aren't the problem, it's irresponsible dog owners and breeders that are the problem. It's just a publicity stunt by the government. Anyone would think that there's an election due soon. Is that similar to saying that guns aren't the problem in mass shootings?
Quote from: DRFC_AjA on September 15, 2023, 03:42:01 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 15, 2023, 03:21:27 pmThe dogs aren't the problem, it's irresponsible dog owners and breeders that are the problem. It's just a publicity stunt by the government. Anyone would think that there's an election due soon.The breeders bred the dog, and the dog is the end product. The end product is the problem, the dog IS the problemYou should judge all dogs on their behaviour and not their appearance or breed.
I think the name is a bit of a giveaway.Of course dogs are made to kill. They are carnivores. The question is, why would ANYONE want to share their life with a 40kg four legged creature built like Mike Tyson, with the physique, energy and strength to attack and kill other large creatures?Saying "Well they haven't been trained right" when they rip someone's neck out is a bit of a weak second order argument.It's exactly akin to someone saying that mass shootings are the sole fault of the shooter, and a society that normalises and accepts the domestication of a potentially deadly thing isn't at fault.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 15, 2023, 07:32:40 pmQuote from: DRFC_AjA on September 15, 2023, 03:42:01 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 15, 2023, 03:21:27 pmThe dogs aren't the problem, it's irresponsible dog owners and breeders that are the problem. It's just a publicity stunt by the government. Anyone would think that there's an election due soon.The breeders bred the dog, and the dog is the end product. The end product is the problem, the dog IS the problemYou should judge all dogs on their behaviour and not their appearance or breed.The "it's the owners" or "it's not the dogs who are vicious" has no credit with these dogs sorry. I get that in theory you could train a jack Russell to attack...but these dogs are literally bred to be killers. It. Is. The. Dogs
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on September 15, 2023, 03:50:32 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 15, 2023, 03:21:27 pmThe dogs aren't the problem, it's irresponsible dog owners and breeders that are the problem. It's just a publicity stunt by the government. Anyone would think that there's an election due soon. Is that similar to saying that guns aren't the problem in mass shootings?Guns are made with the purpose to kill. Dogs aren’t. All dogs can be trained to be vicious.
Not necessarily Nudga, I’m a dog lover and owner and I think the ban is the most sensible and practical way to go about it. Anything else can’t realistically be implemented.There’s irresponsible dog owners with badly trained dogs of other breeds (including I’m sure some big and powerful ones) but we aren’t seeing a spate of stories about attacks with other breeds. There’s a pattern here.We are overlooking the fact that these Bully’s are selected for breeding based on their aggression, which coupled with their size and bite makes them incredibly dangerous.You could put an XL bully with behavioural issues with a perfect dog trainer, but it could still overpower them and get loose from its lead if it wanted to. And when they do good luck stopping one.Other breeds are available and human lives are obviously far more important.
Quote from: ncRover on September 15, 2023, 11:47:47 pmNot necessarily Nudga, I’m a dog lover and owner and I think the ban is the most sensible and practical way to go about it. Anything else can’t realistically be implemented.There’s irresponsible dog owners with badly trained dogs of other breeds (including I’m sure some big and powerful ones) but we aren’t seeing a spate of stories about attacks with other breeds. There’s a pattern here.We are overlooking the fact that these Bully’s are selected for breeding based on their aggression, which coupled with their size and bite makes them incredibly dangerous.You could put an XL bully with behavioural issues with a perfect dog trainer, but it could still overpower them and get loose from its lead if it wanted to. And when they do good luck stopping one.Other breeds are available and human lives are obviously far more important.It's more of the generalisation that big dog breeds are dangerous killers. I've had German Shepherds and Rottweilers for twenty years now and I get the comments daily about how dangerous they are, most of the time while the other person's little Terrier is kicking off and trying to bite my dogs face, but then it's "funny" because theirs has got "small man syndrome". There will be hundreds of babies and toddlers attacked and bitten by small dogs but it never makes the news. I know obviously large breeds do more damage and it's harder to control them once they've gone but it's that that sells papers. I agree that the XL bully is usually owned by council estate scratters or no neck jacked up body builders who have zero clue about training a dog and more importantly, socializing it. To do these two thjngs you've got to get them out twice a day early in their life in busy park areas so that they are constantly coming into contact with people and other dogs and using treats and positive actions as reward for going anything good, no matter how trivial. Usually, these Kitsons just take them to the shop for a can of energy drink or the local park where kids are playing with footballs etc. I've seen large breed rescue dogs with massive problems become a totally different dog within 6 months because the owner took the time to train them and socialize them.
Quote from: Nudga on September 16, 2023, 08:32:36 amQuote from: ncRover on September 15, 2023, 11:47:47 pmNot necessarily Nudga, I’m a dog lover and owner and I think the ban is the most sensible and practical way to go about it. Anything else can’t realistically be implemented.There’s irresponsible dog owners with badly trained dogs of other breeds (including I’m sure some big and powerful ones) but we aren’t seeing a spate of stories about attacks with other breeds. There’s a pattern here.We are overlooking the fact that these Bully’s are selected for breeding based on their aggression, which coupled with their size and bite makes them incredibly dangerous.You could put an XL bully with behavioural issues with a perfect dog trainer, but it could still overpower them and get loose from its lead if it wanted to. And when they do good luck stopping one.Other breeds are available and human lives are obviously far more important.It's more of the generalisation that big dog breeds are dangerous killers. I've had German Shepherds and Rottweilers for twenty years now and I get the comments daily about how dangerous they are, most of the time while the other person's little Terrier is kicking off and trying to bite my dogs face, but then it's "funny" because theirs has got "small man syndrome". There will be hundreds of babies and toddlers attacked and bitten by small dogs but it never makes the news. I know obviously large breeds do more damage and it's harder to control them once they've gone but it's that that sells papers. I agree that the XL bully is usually owned by council estate scratters or no neck jacked up body builders who have zero clue about training a dog and more importantly, socializing it. To do these two thjngs you've got to get them out twice a day early in their life in busy park areas so that they are constantly coming into contact with people and other dogs and using treats and positive actions as reward for going anything good, no matter how trivial. Usually, these Kitsons just take them to the shop for a can of energy drink or the local park where kids are playing with footballs etc. I've seen large breed rescue dogs with massive problems become a totally different dog within 6 months because the owner took the time to train them and socialize them.Great post Nudga.I have had four German Shepherds over the years and they have all been superbly well behaved and sociable with other dogs and people.All down to taking time to train them properly.I guess that I’m one of those people who likes to share his life with a 40kg animal.
Quote from: ncRover on September 15, 2023, 11:47:47 pmNot necessarily Nudga, I’m a dog lover and owner and I think the ban is the most sensible and practical way to go about it. Anything else can’t realistically be implemented.There’s irresponsible dog owners with badly trained dogs of other breeds (including I’m sure some big and powerful ones) but we aren’t seeing a spate of stories about attacks with other breeds. There’s a pattern here.We are overlooking the fact that these Bully’s are selected for breeding based on their aggression, which coupled with their size and bite makes them incredibly dangerous.You could put an XL bully with behavioural issues with a perfect dog trainer, but it could still overpower them and get loose from its lead if it wanted to. And when they do good luck stopping one.Other breeds are available and human lives are obviously far more important.It's more of the generalisation that big dog breeds are dangerous killers. I've had German Shepherds and Rottweilers for twenty years now and I get the comments daily about how dangerous they are, most of the time while the other person's little Terrier is kicking off and trying to bite my dogs face, but then it's "funny" because theirs has got "small man syndrome". There will be hundreds of babies and toddlers attacked and bitten by small dogs but it never makes the news. I know obviously large breeds do more damage and it's harder to control them once they've gone but it's that that sells papers. I agree that the XL bully is usually owned by council estate scratters or no neck jacked up body builders who have zero clue about training a dog and more importantly, socializing it. To do these two thjngs you've got to get them out twice a day early in their life in busy park areas so that they are constantly coming into contact with people and other dogs and using treats and positive actions as reward for going anything good, no matter how trivial. Usually, these Kitsons just take them to the shop for a can of energy drink or the local park where kids are playing with footballs etc. I've seen large breed rescue dogs with massive problems become a totally different dog within 6 months because the owner took the time to train them and socialize them.