Labour U Turns Part 164

[ravenrover]

I did

[SydneyRover]

This is going to shake up the world of retired people

[Ldr]

I did

Well it’s pretty black and white so why the stupid question

[ravenrover]

Stupid? Mmmm

[Ldr]

Stupid? Mmmm

I have neither the time or the crayons to explain in a manner you may understand

[ravenrover]

Would be difficult when I'm the stupid one

[drfchound]

Back on topic then, I’m looking forward to seeing how Labour turn things around after their inevitable GE victory.

[Iberian Red]

Income tax should apply to anyone with British citizenship wherever they reside. If you are not happy to contribute to this country you should give up citizenship of it

Wtf?


Very little Englander.

[Ldr]

Income tax should apply to anyone with British citizenship wherever they reside. If you are not happy to contribute to this country you should give up citizenship of it

Wtf?


Very little Englander.

Financial pragmatist

[Bristol Red Rover]

To make working people on benefits better off all you have to do is let them earn more before taking money off them pound for pound, at the minute you cam pay someome 18 pound a hour and if there they claim working family tax or universal credit they wont be much if any better off than getting 10 pound a hour if they work say 24 hours

The problem is easily and effectively solved with Universal Basic Income.

[ncRover]

Back on topic then, I’m looking forward to seeing how Labour turn things around after their inevitable GE victory.

The clean energy promise by 2030 will be very interesting. That’s only 6 years away.

Last few days UK electricity production has been hovering around 40-50% gas. And that’s with decent wind. Yes more capacity will be built, but some days the wind doesn’t blow or the sun doesn’t shine or both. There will have to be a fair amount of incentives through the smart meters for switching off during high demand peak times.

After an election, 5 years isn’t a long time to build all that. And all the steel to make the turbines will emit a fair bit of carbon? But it’s now “clean energy” not “net zero”.

Is co2 releasing biomass classed as “clean energy” with burning trees imported from America transported by ships?

He can give it a go. I’m just saying it will be… interesting.

[SydneyRover]

Is this a u-turn nc?

[ncRover]

Is this a u-turn nc?

It could be one in the future. I think it’s quite likely it gets obfuscated or delayed.

It’s one of his main policies.

[SydneyRover]

                                                               

[albie]

ncRover,

All Keith is doing is taking current trends and looking to a ballpark of where we will be in 2030.
This will happen because the energy economics are so heavily in favour of renewables and electrification.

Governments can get in the way, with nonsense proposals like small nuclear and carbon capture projects, but these distractions have no commercial future outside state subsidy.
They can also increase carbon emissions, rather than reduce them in a timely manner.

Shadow Chancellor Reeves is keen on both of these, much to the amusement of energy economists.
It does show that policy is skewed by lobby interests rather than an understanding of the issues.

Many have have a tendency to confuse electricity demand (which will rise, but not massively) with energy requirements.
The latter will fall as a result of system efficiencies, some say by about 40%.

If you are really interested, and not just playing the fool, check out this summary by Oxford statistician Hannah Ritchie;
https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/electrification-energy-efficiency

I hope that helps!

[Bristol Red Rover]

I think this thread fits. Vid of a man who's family had been murdered in Gaza protests at a Labour fundraiser led by Angela Raynor. I used to think she at least was some heart in the skeleton of the Party. Evidently not. Another u-turn. Shocking really.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/24076115.pro-palestine-protesters-confront-angela-rayner-labour-fundraiser/

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

And another.  Amazing how having to do the job for real changes your view!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68145720

[SydneyRover]

Spot on pud

[ncRover]

https://youtu.be/mkGQJwZjhdk?si=Q5t1MRwrIwJUo0bx

[albie]

And another.  Amazing how having to do the job for real changes your view!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68145720

So back to the pre 2008 financial crisis terms and conditions then.
Runaway greed and corruption in the banking sector backed up by bailouts from public funds when it all goes wrong.

It is not that neoliberals have learned nothing from 2008, it is that they learned that they can get away with it.
No-one goes to jail, and the required injection of liquidity from public resources can then be channelled into property or other asset boom commodities.

Keynes is dead, so too is economic theory which runs counter to the greed stampede.

[roverstillidie91]

I think this thread fits. Vid of a man who's family had been murdered in Gaza protests at a Labour fundraiser led by Angela Raynor. I used to think she at least was some heart in the skeleton of the Party. Evidently not. Another u-turn. Shocking really.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/24076115.pro-palestine-protesters-confront-angela-rayner-labour-fundraiser/

it always leads me to ask the same thing. Why are people so intent on stopping the tories but voting for pretty much the same thing in Labour.

Things won't get much better.

People need to understand what they're voting for and what they stand for.

Be another 4 years of the same.

And why is the consequences of brexit never discussed?

[ravenrover]

Would there be as much blatant corruption?

[normal rules]

Rachael Reeves didn’t like bankers bonuses a few months ago. She is all for them now and has said labour wont reinstate the cap .

[roverstillidie91]

A quote on Labour from a contributor on twitter. Couldn't have put it better myself.

https://twitter.com/RedRosa91940184/status/1752256737225175490?s=19

The point of Starmer’s Labour is to deny people choice in any election, nationally as well as locally, to be an echo chamber for the Tories,to silence progressive voices, to amplify the extreme voice of the establishment and its far right pro war, pro austerity, rabidly pro privatisation anti immigrant pro Israel pro genocide agenda. That’s why Starmer says very little - he doesn’t have to, the far right says it for him and that’s the point of him.

[ncRover]

A quote on Labour from a contributor on twitter. Couldn't have put it better myself.

https://twitter.com/RedRosa91940184/status/1752256737225175490?s=19

The point of Starmer’s Labour is to deny people choice in any election, nationally as well as locally, to be an echo chamber for the Tories,to silence progressive voices, to amplify the extreme voice of the establishment and its far right pro war, pro austerity, rabidly pro privatisation anti immigrant pro Israel pro genocide agenda. That’s why Starmer says very little - he doesn’t have to, the far right says it for him and that’s the point of him.

Jesus wept

[drfchound]

Rachael Reeves didn’t like bankers bonuses a few months ago. She is all for them now and has said labour wont reinstate the cap .

Looking after her mates?

[roverstillidie91]

A quote on Labour from a contributor on twitter. Couldn't have put it better myself.

https://twitter.com/RedRosa91940184/status/1752256737225175490?s=19

The point of Starmer’s Labour is to deny people choice in any election, nationally as well as locally, to be an echo chamber for the Tories,to silence progressive voices, to amplify the extreme voice of the establishment and its far right pro war, pro austerity, rabidly pro privatisation anti immigrant pro Israel pro genocide agenda. That’s why Starmer says very little - he doesn’t have to, the far right says it for him and that’s the point of him.

Jesus wept

Labour membership has fallen as well but I guess their donors for NHS full privatisation will see them through.

What Labour was built on is no more. It is a shame not enough people can see it and you'll get another 10 years of more of the same.

[roverstillidie91]

Rachael Reeves didn’t like bankers bonuses a few months ago. She is all for them now and has said labour wont reinstate the cap .

Looking after her mates?

Literally every promise which includes a lot of things Jeremy Corbyn proposed that they promised to keep they've now scrapped.

No one really know what they stand for to be honest.

After all they did sabotage them getting in last time now they've got their globalist WEF leader. Not to be trusted.

I don't think he'll be as liked not far from rishi in all honesty once people know what little will Change.

[ncRover]

So you think the World Economic Forum conspired to install Starmer as one of those… Anti-Immigration Globalists?

And that Starmer is far-right and wants to fully privatise the NHS?

This site needs a tin foil hat emoji.

[MachoMadness]

This thread should really be renamed "Reasons not to vote Labour part 164", although that might be underselling the actual number.

What is the point of a party that is actively promising not to change anything. Are they just going to magic growth out of thin air, or something?