Labour U Turns Part 164

[albie]

Syd,

The "monied classes" you refer to financially support both main parties.
They do so because they need to hedge their investment portfolios against significant policy change, so that business as usual continues despite political change.

This is why we now have a "duopoly" between the blue/red consensus on economic priorities....protecting the existing balance of economic power.

Tory donations are always a factor at election time, but Sunak has jumped the gun by going for an early date.
The corruption of the poll has had a slow start as a result.

Labour have been busy creating dark money dependencies themselves.
https://thedarkarts.substack.com/p/labours-lobbying-problem

These donations will need to be redeemed in favour of supporters after a GE.
Among the Labour backers are Israeli interests, who bankrolled Starmer's leadership campaign. (They back the Tories as well).

Do you not think that is going to influence Labour policy on foreign affairs?

[SydneyRover]

Syd,

The "monied classes" you refer to financially support both main parties.
They do so because they need to hedge their investment portfolios against significant policy change, so that business as usual continues despite political change.

This is why we now have a "duopoly" between the blue/red consensus on economic priorities....protecting the existing balance of economic power.

Tory donations are always a factor at election time, but Sunak has jumped the gun by going for an early date.
The corruption of the poll has had a slow start as a result.

Labour have been busy creating dark money dependencies themselves.
https://thedarkarts.substack.com/p/labours-lobbying-problem

These donations will need to be redeemed in favour of supporters after a GE.
Among the Labour backers are Israeli interests, who bankrolled Starmer's leadership campaign. (They back the Tories as well).

Do you not think that is going to influence Labour policy on foreign affairs?

Everything being equal then, both parties you would think would have approximately shared power an equal amount of time since labour were first established?

[drfchound]

I assume nothing in regards to those that fail to understand the harsh realities of getting into power against the monied classes that control the yellow press and the majority of the media full stop. Where the monies classes control business and the vast amounts of money they have under their control, etc.

They don’t come much more wealthy than Jim Ratcliffe.
Doesn’t his Company, Ineos, donate to the Labour cause.

[albie]

No Syd, that does not follow at all.
Read the links before you reply, because it avoids wasting time.

The default establishment preference is for a competent Tory government, but as the current option is only an incompetent Tory administration, then the next best choice is a heavily compromised Labour Party, following key Tory economic principles.

The art of political deception is maintain the illusion of choice, while making sure that any changes which take place are minimal.
Labour have chosen to buy into this organised deception of voters, as you can see by the reluctance to set out meaningful policy changes.

By all means vote for it if you wish, your vote is your own.
Just be aware of whose interests are being served by those you support.

[SydneyRover]

No Syd, that does not follow at all.
Read the links before you reply, because it avoids wasting time.

The default establishment preference is for a competent Tory government, but as the current option is only an incompetent Tory administration, then the next best choice is a heavily compromised Labour Party, following key Tory economic principles.

The art of political deception is maintain the illusion of choice, while making sure that any changes which take place are minimal.
Labour have chosen to buy into this organised deception of voters, as you can see by the reluctance to set out meaningful policy changes.

By all means vote for it if you wish, your vote is your own.
Just be aware of whose interests are being served by those you support.

I don't read many of your link as it's been obvious over time that you haven't read them properly yourself Albie.

[scawsby steve]

No Syd, that does not follow at all.
Read the links before you reply, because it avoids wasting time.

The default establishment preference is for a competent Tory government, but as the current option is only an incompetent Tory administration, then the next best choice is a heavily compromised Labour Party, following key Tory economic principles.

The art of political deception is maintain the illusion of choice, while making sure that any changes which take place are minimal.
Labour have chosen to buy into this organised deception of voters, as you can see by the reluctance to set out meaningful policy changes.

By all means vote for it if you wish, your vote is your own.
Just be aware of whose interests are being served by those you support.

I don't read many of your link as it's been obvious over time that you haven't read them properly yourself Albie.

Give over, Syd. You're out of your depth here and you know it.

Despite being to the left, Albie doesn't need the Guardian to make a political prognosis.

[SydneyRover]

No Syd, that does not follow at all.
Read the links before you reply, because it avoids wasting time.

The default establishment preference is for a competent Tory government, but as the current option is only an incompetent Tory administration, then the next best choice is a heavily compromised Labour Party, following key Tory economic principles.

The art of political deception is maintain the illusion of choice, while making sure that any changes which take place are minimal.
Labour have chosen to buy into this organised deception of voters, as you can see by the reluctance to set out meaningful policy changes.

By all means vote for it if you wish, your vote is your own.
Just be aware of whose interests are being served by those you support.

I don't read many of your link as it's been obvious over time that you haven't read them properly yourself Albie.

Give over, Syd. You're out of your depth here and you know it.

Despite being to the left, Albie doesn't need the Guardian to make a political prognosis.

I don't need your advice or to act as an intermediary either Steve but you must think Albie needs your help aye? you're a good little trooper.

[Ldr]

No Syd, that does not follow at all.
Read the links before you reply, because it avoids wasting time.

The default establishment preference is for a competent Tory government, but as the current option is only an incompetent Tory administration, then the next best choice is a heavily compromised Labour Party, following key Tory economic principles.

The art of political deception is maintain the illusion of choice, while making sure that any changes which take place are minimal.
Labour have chosen to buy into this organised deception of voters, as you can see by the reluctance to set out meaningful policy changes.

By all means vote for it if you wish, your vote is your own.
Just be aware of whose interests are being served by those you support.

I don't read many of your link as it's been obvious over time that you haven't read them properly yourself Albie.

Give over, Syd. You're out of your depth here and you know it.

Despite being to the left, Albie doesn't need the Guardian to make a political prognosis.

Syd would be out of his depth debating pre-schoolers. Take his Guardian away and he has nothing

[SydneyRover]

boo

[SydneyRover]

Quite an interesting read this one ..............

''Secretive Tory dining club bags another £50,000 from firm linked to German far-right'' ........

............. ''Henning Conle’s London property firm, Strandbrook, has given another £50,000 to the Carlton Club, making a total of £200,000 which the anonymous dining club can funnel through to the Tories.

The  warm welcome of these donations comes even though Conle has been reported to be the ultimate source behind illegal donations to the tune of €132,000 (£115,000) to Alternative für Deutschland (AfD). The scandal led to AfD paying a fine of over €400,000 to German authorities.

AfD stands on an Islamophobic, xenophobic and anti-immigration platform – only last week a German court agreed that the party can be monitored as suspected extremists.
The latest donation from Standbrook was made in January 2024, but the Carlton Club only registered it with the Electoral Commission earlier this month'' ................ cont

https://goodlawproject.org/secretive-tory-dining-club-bags-another-50000-from-firm-linked-to-german-far-right/

[Bristol Red Rover]

Quite an interesting read this one ..............

''Secretive Tory dining club bags another £50,000 from firm linked to German far-right'' ........

............. ''Henning Conle’s London property firm, Strandbrook, has given another £50,000 to the Carlton Club, making a total of £200,000 which the anonymous dining club can funnel through to the Tories.

The  warm welcome of these donations comes even though Conle has been reported to be the ultimate source behind illegal donations to the tune of €132,000 (£115,000) to Alternative für Deutschland (AfD). The scandal led to AfD paying a fine of over €400,000 to German authorities.

AfD stands on an Islamophobic, xenophobic and anti-immigration platform – only last week a German court agreed that the party can be monitored as suspected extremists.
The latest donation from Standbrook was made in January 2024, but the Carlton Club only registered it with the Electoral Commission earlier this month'' ................ cont

https://goodlawproject.org/secretive-tory-dining-club-bags-another-50000-from-firm-linked-to-german-far-right/

And Labour, esp some MPs, has a fair amount of financial support from the pro Israel lobby. But as Albie says, the financial establishment buy into both parties as suits them, usually the Tories, but right now, and with Blair, its Labour. Same old - blue or red there's barely a difference, just like in the US. It is not democracy by a very long way.

[SydneyRover]

maybe but Albie spend most of his spare time lecturing only labour, no?

[scawsby steve]

maybe but Albie spend most of his spare time lecturing only labour, no?

Bloody hell, Syd, can't you see why? Labour are supposed to be the representatives of the working class, not friends of big city financiers.

We all know how rotten the Tories are. We expect Labour to be better.

[SydneyRover]

maybe but Albie spend most of his spare time lecturing only labour, no?

Bloody hell, Syd, can't you see why? Labour are supposed to be the representatives of the working class, not friends of big city financiers.

We all know how rotten the Tories are. We expect Labour to be better.

Sorry if you can't see that they are. I can't help you. You should look back over their periods in office and see who left the country on a better position, in your own time of course.

[albie]

Keith explains to Beth why he has abandoned his pledge to increase taxes on the top 5% of earners;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1795126552897671168/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/4sa0XFh41FDU2d6Q.mp4?tag=12

He does not seem to have understood that would increase revenues...it is NOT an additional cost!

Brains of a chuffing gnat!

[SydneyRover]

Keith explains to Beth why he has abandoned his pledge to increase taxes on the top 5% of earners;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1795126552897671168/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/4sa0XFh41FDU2d6Q.mp4?tag=12

He does not seem to have understood that would increase revenues...it is NOT an additional cost!

Brains of a chuffing gnat!

You can't fight everyone Albie, as you'll find out when the party you vote for doesn't win government.

[roverstillidie91]

Keith explains to Beth why he has abandoned his pledge to increase taxes on the top 5% of earners;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1795126552897671168/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/4sa0XFh41FDU2d6Q.mp4?tag=12

He does not seem to have understood that would increase revenues...it is NOT an additional cost!

Brains of a chuffing gnat!

will just mean more cuts to public services and I predict the personal allowance will be kept frozen.

See he is creating more negative PR with Diane Abbott today.

[SydneyRover]

Are you going put up the policies of the party you're voting for 91?

[drfchound]

Keith explains to Beth why he has abandoned his pledge to increase taxes on the top 5% of earners;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1795126552897671168/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/4sa0XFh41FDU2d6Q.mp4?tag=12

He does not seem to have understood that would increase revenues...it is NOT an additional cost!

Brains of a chuffing gnat!

will just mean more cuts to public services and I predict the personal allowance will be kept frozen.

See he is creating more negative PR with Diane Abbott today.

I saw Jonathan somebody or other. shadow Health Minister on telly this morning and when asked whether they would raise the personal allowance if they win, he declined to comment.

[roverstillidie91]

Keith explains to Beth why he has abandoned his pledge to increase taxes on the top 5% of earners;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1795126552897671168/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/4sa0XFh41FDU2d6Q.mp4?tag=12

He does not seem to have understood that would increase revenues...it is NOT an additional cost!

Brains of a chuffing gnat!

will just mean more cuts to public services and I predict the personal allowance will be kept frozen.

See he is creating more negative PR with Diane Abbott today.

I saw Jonathan somebody or other. shadow Health Minister on telly this morning and when asked whether they would raise the personal allowance if they win, he declined to comment.

why take so long to announce the outcome of the investigation though?

[drfchound]

Keith explains to Beth why he has abandoned his pledge to increase taxes on the top 5% of earners;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1795126552897671168/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/4sa0XFh41FDU2d6Q.mp4?tag=12

He does not seem to have understood that would increase revenues...it is NOT an additional cost!

Brains of a chuffing gnat!

will just mean more cuts to public services and I predict the personal allowance will be kept frozen.

See he is creating more negative PR with Diane Abbott today.

I saw Jonathan somebody or other. shadow Health Minister on telly this morning and when asked whether they would raise the personal allowance if they win, he declined to comment.

why take so long to announce the outcome of the investigation though?

?

[roverstillidie91]

Are you going put up the policies of the party you're voting for 91?

I'd prefer not to go off Subject but of course Labour are a government in waiting but it isn't the story lines they needed in the run up to the election.

More people voting elsewhere probably won't make a difference but it'll be interesting how many vote for them compare to 2019.

[roverstillidie91]

Keith explains to Beth why he has abandoned his pledge to increase taxes on the top 5% of earners;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1795126552897671168/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/4sa0XFh41FDU2d6Q.mp4?tag=12

He does not seem to have understood that would increase revenues...it is NOT an additional cost!

Brains of a chuffing gnat!

will just mean more cuts to public services and I predict the personal allowance will be kept frozen.

See he is creating more negative PR with Diane Abbott today.

I saw Jonathan somebody or other. shadow Health Minister on telly this morning and when asked whether they would raise the personal allowance if they win, he declined to comment.

why take so long to announce the outcome of the investigation though?

?

Labour investigating Diane Abbott.

The investigation concluded 5 months ago but Starmer and fellow MPs stating it was still ongoing to exclude her from running to be an MP again.

A bit of a mess really.

[SydneyRover]

What I find mildly amusing (not) is that those that consider themselves left of the left and therefore should want the longest, broadest most level playing field ever, spend their time criticising the only party that stands a snowflakes chance but won't tell anyone the policies of the party they are going to vote for.

hmmmm

[drfchound]

Keith explains to Beth why he has abandoned his pledge to increase taxes on the top 5% of earners;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1795126552897671168/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/4sa0XFh41FDU2d6Q.mp4?tag=12

He does not seem to have understood that would increase revenues...it is NOT an additional cost!

Brains of a chuffing gnat!

will just mean more cuts to public services and I predict the personal allowance will be kept frozen.

See he is creating more negative PR with Diane Abbott today.

I saw Jonathan somebody or other. shadow Health Minister on telly this morning and when asked whether they would raise the personal allowance if they win, he declined to comment.

why take so long to announce the outcome of the investigation though?

?

Labour investigating Diane Abbott.

The investigation concluded 5 months ago but Starmer and fellow MPs stating it was still ongoing to exclude her from running to be an MP again.

A bit of a mess really.

Thanks, I hadn’t heard about that due to having three grandchildren here all day.
As much as I don’t particularly care for DA, it is a disgraceful move to do that to her if true.
I wonder whether our Southern Hemisphere friend will stick up for her woman’s rights like he has done for others.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Syd, the problem is when compromise turns into total sell out. I look forward to being proved to be utterly wrong.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Are you going put up the policies of the party you're voting for 91?

I'd prefer not to go off Subject but of course Labour are a government in waiting but it isn't the story lines they needed in the run up to the election.

More people voting elsewhere probably won't make a difference but it'll be interesting how many vote for them compare to 2019.

I'll guess at about 5 million more.

[roverstillidie91]

Another interesting individual going to be an MP candidate for Labour https://x.com/RedCollectiveUK/status/1795143309100204168?s=19

[drfchound]

Another interesting individual going to be an MP candidate for Labour https://x.com/RedCollectiveUK/status/1795143309100204168?s=19

I wonder whether this advisor to the next PM will be as despised as Cummings was to a previous one.
It will be interesting to see what our political experts say about this.

[SydneyRover]

Keith explains to Beth why he has abandoned his pledge to increase taxes on the top 5% of earners;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1795126552897671168/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/4sa0XFh41FDU2d6Q.mp4?tag=12

He does not seem to have understood that would increase revenues...it is NOT an additional cost!

Brains of a chuffing gnat!

will just mean more cuts to public services and I predict the personal allowance will be kept frozen.

See he is creating more negative PR with Diane Abbott today.

I saw Jonathan somebody or other. shadow Health Minister on telly this morning and when asked whether they would raise the personal allowance if they win, he declined to comment.

why take so long to announce the outcome of the investigation though?

?

Labour investigating Diane Abbott.

The investigation concluded 5 months ago but Starmer and fellow MPs stating it was still ongoing to exclude her from running to be an MP again.

A bit of a mess really.

Well, well,

''Starmer says that Abbott has not been barred from standing for Labour
Keir Starmer insists it is “not true” that Diane Abbott has been barred from being Labour candidate''


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