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This thread should really be renamed "Reasons not to vote Labour part 164", although that might be underselling the actual number.What is the point of a party that is actively promising not to change anything. Are they just going to magic growth out of thin air, or something?
Quote from: MachoMadness on February 01, 2024, 09:05:40 amThis thread should really be renamed "Reasons not to vote Labour part 164", although that might be underselling the actual number.What is the point of a party that is actively promising not to change anything. Are they just going to magic growth out of thin air, or something?MMRight back at yer.What is the point of a party actively promising to change everything and having pretty much zero chance of forming a government?If you had ever criticised the Corbynista takeover of the Labour party, leading it to the worst election result in a century and very nearly posing existential questions over Labour, your hand wringing now would carry more weight.But it was ever thus with the Left. Being ideologically sound was always more important than actually winning. And when a more centre-left Labour actually does win, the Left will do what it's always done. Sit on the sidelines ignoring the good it does and complaining that it doesn't do everything the Left wants.You're a clever lad. Stand back and look at the big picture. This is a once in a generation chance to marginalised the Tories for a generation. But Labour starts with a ball and chain, just as it did under Blair. It is still associated by much of the electorate with the unelectable nature of recent leaders from the Left. The plan is, as with Blair, to not scare the horses. Initially prove yourselves as a safe pair of hands. Rebuilding society in a left-leaning-direction will take 20 years, not 20 months. It's unsexy. It's boring. It doesn't bring idealistic folk from the Left to the barricades. Do I agree? No, I think it is too cautious. But I understand where it comes from. And if I'd been a Corbynista, I'd be starting from a position of gob shut humility, rather than shouting the odds.
This thread should really be renamed "Reasons not to vote Labour part 164", although that might be underselling the actual number.What is the point of a party that is actively promising not to change anything. Are they just going to magic growth out of thin air, or something?
Seriously MM? you need to get real, how the hell is labour going to overcome an 80 seat majority without signalling to business that they are not anti-business and without taking the centre ground.The UK needs business to thrive to create jobs and build the economy, would you like to expand on a plan to take office without those things.In your own time
Quote from: SydneyRover on February 01, 2024, 10:38:57 amSeriously MM? you need to get real, how the hell is labour going to overcome an 80 seat majority without signalling to business that they are not anti-business and without taking the centre ground.The UK needs business to thrive to create jobs and build the economy, would you like to expand on a plan to take office without those things.In your own timeUk unemployment is currently the lowest it’s been since 1974. (ONS) that to me says we have a thriving business industry and plenty of people in jobs . What needs to change ?
Following the post pandemic challenges 2024 will be the year the uk turns a page. Inflation returning closer to normal levels, progress on regional growth and real incomes improving provides optimism for the year ahead, despite the legacy of higher consumer prices and rising housing costs. Not my words. But those of PWC for the UK economic outlook for 2024.
Quote from: SydneyRover on February 01, 2024, 10:38:57 amSeriously MM? you need to get real, how the hell is labour going to overcome an 80 seat majority without signalling to business that they are not anti-business and without taking the centre ground.The UK needs business to thrive to create jobs and build the economy, would you like to expand on a plan to take office without those things.In your own timeHere's the crux of it. I don't give a shit about Labour overcoming an 80 seat majority. That in itself means nothing. What is important to me is what Labour is saying they will do when in power.How are Labour proposing to create jobs and build the economy? You should be asking them, not me. At the minute they seem to mostly talk about growing the economy without spending any money or redistributing wealth. Nice one.
I think you are trying to make the case for another tory government by posting up scraps you find via google, If you want some political cred on this topic nr then make the case why and how they will won the next election. If you're not I'm not sure what your ramblings are all about.
Follow the corporate money:https://tribunemag.co.uk/2023/12/labour-for-sale/Who pays the piper, eh!
Quote from: albie on February 01, 2024, 04:27:31 pmFollow the corporate money:https://tribunemag.co.uk/2023/12/labour-for-sale/Who pays the piper, eh!If only we'd ever tried a genuine left wing approach eh? That might have worked.
Schrodinger's leftist. The left doesn't matter, but then when the left withholds their votes it risks another Tory government.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2024, 05:24:50 pmQuote from: albie on February 01, 2024, 04:27:31 pmFollow the corporate money:https://tribunemag.co.uk/2023/12/labour-for-sale/Who pays the piper, eh!If only we'd ever tried a genuine left wing approach eh? That might have worked.Don't come sqeeling Billy about the far right gathering pace when a Labour government just accepts the status quo .The far right will eat you for breakfast , dinner and tea .
Quote from: tyke1962 on February 01, 2024, 05:35:43 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 01, 2024, 05:24:50 pmQuote from: albie on February 01, 2024, 04:27:31 pmFollow the corporate money:https://tribunemag.co.uk/2023/12/labour-for-sale/Who pays the piper, eh!If only we'd ever tried a genuine left wing approach eh? That might have worked.Don't come sqeeling Billy about the far right gathering pace when a Labour government just accepts the status quo .The far right will eat you for breakfast , dinner and tea .A bit hypocritical tyke when you promote and vote with the far right aye?You've been playing with a busted flush for too long tyke, the only person that appears not to know is yourself.